Musharraf Spilling the Beans—Why Now?

#80 Please read #77 once more. Perhaps enrolling for reading comprehension class would be good for you.

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Gen Mahmud told Mushy ``Woh hamari Eent se Eent baje denge``..What`s the origin of the phrase and what does it mean specifically..i know the overall idea is that they`ll do something very unpleasant, but what`s the reference to the brick?

#73 Arjun - you are slower than usual today. Re-read what I wrote carefully. If you still dont get it, ask some 6 year old to explain it to you.

#83 could it be they will use our bricks to destroy us. In other words suggesting that Pakistan has enuf people inside who would do the dirty on it. Perhaps this could be the third reason of Mushy for siding with US - that pakistan cannot muster enough people to confront the US.

#84 bad_shah, good_shah :?

zeemax # 76
[Yes no argument about this. Pak should have told US to eff off and we`ll see what`s in our best interests. He didn`t do that. That`s why he`s just a smalltime punk. No doubt.]

it`s easy to be an arnold shwartznegger interacting at chowk...at the first sign of american bombs all you mullahs would be hiding under your beds...even though i hate the bastard, he did the only sensible thing he could to save not only his ass but our collective asses too...

zeemax...you are the champion macaca warrior...just do that...and don`t think you have graduated to fight like a man...keep on trying...maybe in a thousand years...

Masadi #50 & #75
Respected Masadi Sahib,

You seem to be living in a crazy world of your own. Everyone but you seems to know that Pakistan today does not enjoy the stature of Turkey or most other Muslim nations. It cannot say ``NO`` to US. Whether this is due to lack of moral strength, ideological strength, or simply the fear of coming face to face with the misdeeds of its own army and agencies in the past in letting the ISI support Taliban, Lashkar, Jaish etc. Once complicity with terrorists has been exposed, established, there would be a price to pay. In the comity of nations it is placed around Afghanistan and Iraq. Most of the world (and most Pakistanis) believes Pakistan is a failing state, on the brink of collapse, not able to control the Islamic hardliners. Whatever gave you the idea that Pakistan could do a ``Turkey`` to the US. Open your eyes. Please, open your eyes.

Musharraf has prevented the ship from sinking, nay, being torpedoed. He is a leader who can still exercise some control on the army. A whole lot of Pakistanis respect him. The Indians are scared of him. Musharraf can get away with direct attacks like KArgil (thinly veiled behind the mujahideen) on India. Musharraf can emphatically deny any army involvement in KArgil for years together and then suddenly own up to it as ``Pakistan Army`s finest moment``. Musharraf can do anything, say anything he wants. He will remain in power as long as he lives.

He is the best bet Pakistan has at the moment. The TINA factor as the Indian newspapers would say (There Is No Alternative). Folks like you can ridicule him and talk of theoretical nation states. But as far as theories in Pakistan are concerned ``It is merely paper....``.

And . if Pakistan is now doing something to actually combat terrorism, why crib....

So come on now, wake up to reality.Please.


Regards.

Re: # 152

Hamidm2:

Keep up the good work in marginalizing this scourge against humanity. You are absolutely right about Quetta. We had some Parsee families in Quetta, back in 1906, when the earthquake hit, and we still do. Quetta, was definitely a different place to live. Now we have these smelley naswaris all over the place. Pakistan must remove these hate mongers, sooner rather than later.

Respectfully submitted,

Re: # 149

behram,

``Today`s muslims are trying their best to convince the world that Islam is a religion of peace. ``

............ there are also people trying to sell beachfront property in new orleans and the bridge in brooklyn is still up for sale ........

Re: # 133 by hamidm2 on September 28, 2006 6:59am PT

hamidm2:

I am always learning from your posts. I knew all along that recently converted Arabs were responsible for the Zoroastrian Persian dynasty`s downfall. Also, in Northern Africa christians were forced to pay Jizya, or fight war, or get converted to Islam.

This is how Islam was spread, yet muslims that I have encountered continue to claim that there is no force in their religion. Are these people just stupid? Do they think that they can continue to fool the masses with their threat of violence as they did in yesteryears?

Today`s muslims are trying their best to convince the world that Islam is a religion of peace. How can that be?

Respectfully submitted,

Re: # 133

Hamidm Sahib:

Thanks for Al-Tabari Book. I just ordered in on Amazon.Com.

Anil

Re: # 92

anil mian,

``I call you to God and to Islam. If you respond to the call, you are Muslims: You obtain the benefits they enjoy and take up the responsibilities they bear. If you refuse, then [you must pay] the jizyah. If you refuse the jizyah, I will bring against you an army of tribes who are more eager for death than you are for life. We will fight you until God decides between us and you.``

....... actually that was the message from khalid-bin-walid, one of mo`s closest buddies (sahabi) and a great muslim warrior, to the king of persia ......... every muslim child knows the story ......... this quote is from `` the history of al-tabari: the challenge to the empires `` ................ it is a great book and there is one left in stock at amazon ...........

........... of course, i am not suggesting that two wrongs make a right - as mushy said it was rather rude of armitage to say what he said .......... i simply wanted to point out to the likes of zeemax and that mad mullah masadi that the shoe hurts when it is on the other foot - not that barefooted cave dwellers know anything about shoes ..............

........... also, i have taken note of salim mian`s attempt to defame mrs hamidm and will respond at the appropriate time ............ however, i must clarify that unlike the wives and concubines of other great muslims, she was not captured in battle and her father and brother are still alive with their heads attached to their bodies ...............

Re: # 89

Hamidm sahib:

``I call you to God and to Islam. If you respond to the call, you are Muslims: You obtain the benefits they enjoy and take up the responsibilities they bear. If you refuse, then [you must pay] the jizyah. If you refuse the jizyah, I will bring against you an army of tribes who are more eager for death than you are for life. We will fight you until God decides between us and you.``

Is the above said anywhere? Where? Not in any religious books or scriptures.

Anil

zeemax, masadi and other perpetual whiners .........

........ for god`s sake stop whining about what poor richard armitage said to general mahmud - the guy is a pussy cat compared to this :

``I call you to God and to Islam. If you respond to the call, you are Muslims: You obtain the benefits they enjoy and take up the responsibilities they bear. If you refuse, then [you must pay] the jizyah. If you refuse the jizyah, I will bring against you an army of tribes who are more eager for death than you are for life. We will fight you until God decides between us and you.``

........ even though i think the goon in khaki has done incalculabel damage to all the institutions in pakistan, he did the right thing by turning against the barbaric taliban - this horrible scourge must to be eliminated ........... i know you guys hate women and like living in caves, but most of us don`t ..........

{``It would be interesting to see if the General shares any of his rumoured million-dollar fee from the publishers of the book, Simon & Schuster, with the people of Pakistan``}

Ghori Sahib,
Thank you for an informative and timely article. One fact that few people seem to recognize is that Mushy is proving his honesty by trying to make some personal gain through this stupid act of writing his memoirs while still in office. If Mushy had been really corrupt and had benefited from the ambidextrous looting of the nation, he would have neither the time nor the need to write this autobiography and have it published in the west. What I do find amusing and deplorable at the same time is his use of his state visit to drum up demand for his book.