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Aussie Values: Save us the embarrassement!

Saeed Khan October 11, 2006

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#1 Posted by bjkumar on October 11, 2006 9:55:36 am

An undercurrent of racism stays dormant in many European countries and perhaps in Australia, too. However, if the immigrants remain vigilant and present a united front, hopefully racism and xenophobia will never become adopted by the mainstream in Australia, and perhaps the same applies to in any other country with immigrants.

Events like 9/11, 7/7, and 7/11 tend to add strength to that opportunistic racism!

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#2 Posted by chaltahai on October 11, 2006 10:13:37 am
Is there something religiously pathological in the make up of muslim folks in the aggregate that precludes them from integrating into society? We look at immigration patterns in the US, every generation moves to become a part of the national fabric. Doesn`t mean they lose pride in who they are but they have to adapt and adopt the local culture adn customs and place primacy to these things over their traditions. Nothing wrong with that. If people migrated to India or china or timbuktu, they would have to do the same thing. What`s all the hub-bub, BUB?
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#3 Posted by arjun2 on October 11, 2006 10:19:43 am
god forbid if any aussie politician should even consider asking the islamofascists to leave their jihadi baggage back in karachi...why, that would be racist..pakis have a god given right to wear their jihadi mentality on their sleeve..
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#4 Posted by arjun2 on October 11, 2006 10:24:42 am
#1 by bjkumar on October 11, 2006 9:55am PT


united front my ass...Aussie-Indians need to run as fast as they can away from the Aussie-pakis, a few of whom have been busted for planning terrorism against Australia and other countries..

just as brit-indians are dis-associating themselves from the brit-pakis..
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#5 Posted by bjkumar on October 11, 2006 10:59:57 am

Arjun, the author makes legitimate issues regarding ``language`` tests being used for advancing the agenda of racists. The same was accomplished in the post civil-war US south to keep blacks disenfranchised - it was called ``literary`` test. The Supreme Court eventually held it illegal!

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#6 Posted by arjun2 on October 11, 2006 11:12:55 am
#5 by bjkumar on October 11, 2006 10:59am PT

dude...you`re nuts to think that the author`s main concern is language..

it`s the jihad stupid...
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#7 Posted by DrDr on October 11, 2006 11:34:21 am
racism is inevitable with aussie policy of looking up2 the ``mother country`` in europe when they r situated in asia.
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#8 Posted by Kulharee on October 11, 2006 11:47:03 am
Are Aussies still mourning the death of the Croc Hunter? What a silly country going bananas over an accidental death of a circus boy. There are other more important things going on in the world.

Yep, institutionalized racism is the worst kind of bigotry. One way to change the system is to become involved in it, and try to change it from the inside. Desis do tend to be very insular migrant group, and do not adjust well to a different culture. I know 2nd generation American Pakistanis that have not traveled outside of a 50-mile radius they were born in, and the only group they socialize is their own kind. In places like NYC there are plenty of non-profit organizations that help recent immigrants assimilate into a wider culture.

So if the tests are such a big challenge, think of it as an opportunity to learn something new. You will be happier you did it, and perhaps some community minded Desis could open up some tutoring centers to train fellow Desis.
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#9 Posted by Kulharee on October 11, 2006 12:02:03 pm
I just glanced thru the website of the author.

Saeed Khan Sahib, you are doing a good deed. Best of luck to you.
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#10 Posted by bbabu on October 11, 2006 1:23:08 pm

The author needs to explain why Australia has to let in Pakistani refugees given the poor record of Pakistani immigrants in United Kingdom - Daniel Peral killers, Subway bombers etc.
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#11 Posted by bbabu on October 11, 2006 1:24:29 pm
bjkumar #5

`` Arjun, the author makes legitimate issues regarding ``language`` tests being used for advancing the agenda of racists. The same was accomplished in the post civil-war US south to keep blacks disenfranchised - it was called ``literary`` test. The Supreme Court eventually held it illegal! ``

We will see how much desis like California when it is being run by Hispanics immigrants couple of generations from now.
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#12 Posted by bbabu on October 11, 2006 1:25:44 pm
Kulharee #8

`` Are Aussies still mourning the death of the Croc Hunter? What a silly country going bananas over an accidental death of a circus boy. There are other more important things going on in the world. ``

Steve Irwin was good at what he did. Maybe he is the best Aussies have to offer ?
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#13 Posted by bjkumar on October 11, 2006 4:34:56 pm

Yaaran,

What a FEW people do must never be allowed to reflect on the whole community! That is the standard that we try to use in India (not always very successfully) – and we need to follow the same standards elsewhere.

Wholesale generalization is wrong, wrong, wrong!!!

Australians need to learn from the past mistakes (usually the fifty years ago mistakes or earlier (and thankfully mostly no more being repeated now)) of such countries as USA, UK, etc. in mistreating their minorities – be they linguistic or religion-wise or racial minorities! Such mistreatment always makes the country WEAKER - never stronger!

PS:

I personally don’t think desis will have any problem under a Hispanic majority California. For one thing, the vast number of Hispanics feel very much like the non-Hispanic Americans. Secondly, Spanish is a very easy language to learn for Hindi speaker types. The complexion is also not that different!!

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#14 Posted by bjkumar on October 11, 2006 4:46:00 pm

Ama Arjun,

Many times you say correct things in exposing the bad deeds of the Jihadis.

But when you start generalizing wholesale communities, you make a mistake and nobody believes you any more - so you undo some of your own legitimate efforts!

Just my personal opinion!

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#15 Posted by harimau on October 11, 2006 6:14:12 pm
The Australian Minister for Immigration is supposed to have remarked (back in the 1920s) when he was asked to justify the White Australia policy, ``Because two Wongs don`t make a White``.
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