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Fiza Asar October 5, 2006
#167 Posted by masadi on October 8, 2006 11:12:43 pm
ranjit writes <<< Masadi, employment has nothing to do with human feelings of anyone. It is pure economics, supply and demand >>>
Now where did my post say that employment in the US has anything to do with human feelings? Little wonder that code coolies cant write a decent paragraph and then parade around touting their ``six figure salaries``. There is no hard and fast ``economic`` rule that says that ceos should make several hundred times what a worker makes, there is no ``supply and demand`` explanation for that, it is because of power and privilage and a skewed extremely concentrated economy, not the widely scattered perfectly competitive situation that you ignorants hold up while touting ``supply and demand``.
Then he writes <<< So why is the US different from other countries? Because US is the only country where profit is significantly above all other consideration like race, religion, ethnicity etc. My personal experience and the experience of millions of immigrants suggest that in this country, if you have the skill sets, the system gives you opportunities >>>
Your experience might suggest that, just like the experience of Hamid`s ``sprinkler guy``, but the experience of millions of immigrants, the vast majority of which toil in back breaking work, doubling up, living in animal like conditions certainly does not bear that out. The aggregate statistics broken down by race and class and gender CERTAINLY don`t bear that out. What bears that out is fake Horatio Alger myths and happy tales of people from the gutters of our parts of the world who have seen wealth for the first time and their saliva hasn`t stopped drooling, they cannot look deeper than that. You are a poster child among them.
Then he writes <<< But we can sure pick a skill set and get into the game here. If the game stops, we pick another skill and so on >>>
Of course this is how the powers that be dumb down this society and keep its power. Forget about what matters to human beings and how they can live a decent life, worry about what you can whore in the marketplace based on the demands of those in power, soon you have a mass society of cheerful morons who can`t think worth a fart but command six figure incomes. I`d rather be free, live as a human being, than whore myself in the market for a few $$.
Now where did my post say that employment in the US has anything to do with human feelings? Little wonder that code coolies cant write a decent paragraph and then parade around touting their ``six figure salaries``. There is no hard and fast ``economic`` rule that says that ceos should make several hundred times what a worker makes, there is no ``supply and demand`` explanation for that, it is because of power and privilage and a skewed extremely concentrated economy, not the widely scattered perfectly competitive situation that you ignorants hold up while touting ``supply and demand``.
Then he writes <<< So why is the US different from other countries? Because US is the only country where profit is significantly above all other consideration like race, religion, ethnicity etc. My personal experience and the experience of millions of immigrants suggest that in this country, if you have the skill sets, the system gives you opportunities >>>
Your experience might suggest that, just like the experience of Hamid`s ``sprinkler guy``, but the experience of millions of immigrants, the vast majority of which toil in back breaking work, doubling up, living in animal like conditions certainly does not bear that out. The aggregate statistics broken down by race and class and gender CERTAINLY don`t bear that out. What bears that out is fake Horatio Alger myths and happy tales of people from the gutters of our parts of the world who have seen wealth for the first time and their saliva hasn`t stopped drooling, they cannot look deeper than that. You are a poster child among them.
Then he writes <<< But we can sure pick a skill set and get into the game here. If the game stops, we pick another skill and so on >>>
Of course this is how the powers that be dumb down this society and keep its power. Forget about what matters to human beings and how they can live a decent life, worry about what you can whore in the marketplace based on the demands of those in power, soon you have a mass society of cheerful morons who can`t think worth a fart but command six figure incomes. I`d rather be free, live as a human being, than whore myself in the market for a few $$.
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#166 Posted by Ranjit on October 8, 2006 10:53:55 pm
Re:masadi#154
[...Once your ``market`` cannot exact the surplus from the code coolies, that you are so proud of, they will be discarded as cockroaches, their employment has nothing to do with their thinking or reasoning ability or the human feeling of the Americans towards them....]
Masadi, employment has nothing to do with human feelings of anyone. It is pure economics, supply and demand. This is true all over the world. Do you think people in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia are hired for ``human feelings``? Employers hire people who will help them compete and make money. If you are useful for that, employers will hire you. If you are not, they will toss you out. The only exception is the public sector that runs on tax money. As an employee, the only choice we have is to pick a skill set where we can be valuable and be relevant in the market place.
So why is the US different from other countries? Because US is the only country where profit is significantly above all other consideration like race, religion, ethnicity etc. My personal experience and the experience of millions of immigrants suggest that in this country, if you have the skill sets, the system gives you opportunities. Not out of any love for you or your looks - but simply because you can make money for the company. This contrasts to other countries especially in Europe, where people will give profit a lower priority but give more weightage to race, ethnicity etc. Now as a macaca from India, I or other Indians can do nothing about our race or ethnicity. But we can sure pick a skill set and get into the game here. If the game stops, we pick another skill and so on. Soon you find that you are successful!! Of course, if you dont have marketable skills, you have no chance.
[...Once your ``market`` cannot exact the surplus from the code coolies, that you are so proud of, they will be discarded as cockroaches, their employment has nothing to do with their thinking or reasoning ability or the human feeling of the Americans towards them....]
Masadi, employment has nothing to do with human feelings of anyone. It is pure economics, supply and demand. This is true all over the world. Do you think people in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia are hired for ``human feelings``? Employers hire people who will help them compete and make money. If you are useful for that, employers will hire you. If you are not, they will toss you out. The only exception is the public sector that runs on tax money. As an employee, the only choice we have is to pick a skill set where we can be valuable and be relevant in the market place.
So why is the US different from other countries? Because US is the only country where profit is significantly above all other consideration like race, religion, ethnicity etc. My personal experience and the experience of millions of immigrants suggest that in this country, if you have the skill sets, the system gives you opportunities. Not out of any love for you or your looks - but simply because you can make money for the company. This contrasts to other countries especially in Europe, where people will give profit a lower priority but give more weightage to race, ethnicity etc. Now as a macaca from India, I or other Indians can do nothing about our race or ethnicity. But we can sure pick a skill set and get into the game here. If the game stops, we pick another skill and so on. Soon you find that you are successful!! Of course, if you dont have marketable skills, you have no chance.
#165 Posted by echoboom on October 8, 2006 10:33:07 pm
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#164 Posted by HP on October 8, 2006 9:00:03 pm
Behram,
We are on the same page(not foley page) on almost all issues and you respect my opinion. But I still have problem with this statement:
``No, I have expensive air fresheners in my toilet and I always make sure to use the best kind.``
Does this mean your sh*t does stink and you cover it up? recall that previously you said your sh*t doesn not stink...
Just curious....
We are on the same page(not foley page) on almost all issues and you respect my opinion. But I still have problem with this statement:
``No, I have expensive air fresheners in my toilet and I always make sure to use the best kind.``
Does this mean your sh*t does stink and you cover it up? recall that previously you said your sh*t doesn not stink...
Just curious....
#163 Posted by teshah on October 8, 2006 8:58:51 pm
Re: # 112
bjkumar
How wonderfully you put the question of questions, dear kumar. But it is a question which begs no answer and would perhaps will elicit no response from those to whom it is addressed. It is perhaps the instinctive hatred and ego which makes some people hate others and the best handle and cover for that today is religion.
You say:
``At that point, it is only a matter of time before confrontation develops! Name me one country which has a sizeable Muslim population and there is no confrontation with other religions (unless those other religions have already been chased away).``
This malady is at worst in the country called Pakiland where the law of blasphemy rules supreme. The other religions having been almost chased away from the Land of the Pure or utterly subjugated as helpless minorities, they are now creating new minorities from out of their own religion to give vent to their hatred and brutal instincts, all in the name of that very religion.
The fact is however civilised we may believe to be we humans, in the final analysis, are just animals.
bjkumar
How wonderfully you put the question of questions, dear kumar. But it is a question which begs no answer and would perhaps will elicit no response from those to whom it is addressed. It is perhaps the instinctive hatred and ego which makes some people hate others and the best handle and cover for that today is religion.
You say:
``At that point, it is only a matter of time before confrontation develops! Name me one country which has a sizeable Muslim population and there is no confrontation with other religions (unless those other religions have already been chased away).``
This malady is at worst in the country called Pakiland where the law of blasphemy rules supreme. The other religions having been almost chased away from the Land of the Pure or utterly subjugated as helpless minorities, they are now creating new minorities from out of their own religion to give vent to their hatred and brutal instincts, all in the name of that very religion.
The fact is however civilised we may believe to be we humans, in the final analysis, are just animals.
#162 Posted by masadi on October 8, 2006 8:46:41 pm
aslam writes in #136 <<< echo
it is fact that marx was middle class, and made his maid pregnant i learned that at school in o`level history. >>>
A dispicable attempt at trying to discredit someone who has contributed originally to human thought. Marx was not middle class, his parents were, he himself lived in abject poverty, that because the few writing jobs he held didn`t pay much and there were no code coolies in those days. Saying that he never visited a factory is quite prepostrous, he lived in London and his friend who supported him Engels had a cotton spinning factory in Manchester and in those days you couldn`t live in manchester and not see a factory. Further, his work was very much scientific given his limitation of funds, he did his own surveys among workers, he poured hours upon hours on actual records collected by the factories at the library. Cheap excuses and Ad Hominem by those who will never amount to anything in the field, like the writer of that article disproves nothing. Time has proved the truthfulness of his observations during the Victorian era, and no historian worth the name disputes the dispicable working condition of workers, including children in that era. I am glad Marx didn`t work and instead did the work that he did or all of us would be poorer in terms of knowledge and humanism in the modern era, though it was at great cost to his family.
it is fact that marx was middle class, and made his maid pregnant i learned that at school in o`level history. >>>
A dispicable attempt at trying to discredit someone who has contributed originally to human thought. Marx was not middle class, his parents were, he himself lived in abject poverty, that because the few writing jobs he held didn`t pay much and there were no code coolies in those days. Saying that he never visited a factory is quite prepostrous, he lived in London and his friend who supported him Engels had a cotton spinning factory in Manchester and in those days you couldn`t live in manchester and not see a factory. Further, his work was very much scientific given his limitation of funds, he did his own surveys among workers, he poured hours upon hours on actual records collected by the factories at the library. Cheap excuses and Ad Hominem by those who will never amount to anything in the field, like the writer of that article disproves nothing. Time has proved the truthfulness of his observations during the Victorian era, and no historian worth the name disputes the dispicable working condition of workers, including children in that era. I am glad Marx didn`t work and instead did the work that he did or all of us would be poorer in terms of knowledge and humanism in the modern era, though it was at great cost to his family.
#161 Posted by HP on October 8, 2006 8:45:55 pm
#158 by hamidm2
“it his his constant bitching about the system that is grating ........ he an unrepentant islamofascist who will pee in the pot that he eats in and then turn around and bite the hand that fed him, before blowing himself up”
Hamid,
I never thought you could abuse people with such gay abundance. Asadi has worldview and opinions abt things right or wrong you can debate that with him.
Among many things that this country offers, it still believes in freedom of opinion and that opinion could be diametrically opposite to even the founding principles of the country itself. I find thousands of red blood American( must I mention white too?) for last several generations, who wrote ten or maybe 100 times more anti US opinions and no one challenges their patriotism barring a few foul mouth rightwing nutcases. You know dick Cheney or Rush Limbaugh don’t have monopoly on deciding who could be the US citizen.
I think at this point you are just showing your frustrations as you have no right under any US law to decide who lives in this country or who does not. It is a personal matter and let the US government based on legal facts decide on that.
Search the Net and you will find many groups that actually oppose every single policy of the different US administration. In fact, what Asadi writes is often second hand news for me as he relies heavily on the information available thru legal US media and from some really learned opinion makers.
Mind you I am not defending Masadi, he can fend for himself but what I am pointing to you is that what you are suggesting (bitching about the system that is grating) is perfectly legal in this country.
Like Masadi, it seems to me that you don’t have enough faith in the democratic system in the US that can withstand any kind of criticism coming from any group or any ideological strain. Some of it I believe comes from they way we were raised in Pakistan and especially in Punjab. In Sindh when I and several friends were fighting for democracy and little rights that were denied to us poor Sindhis, we too were called enemies of the state, Indian agents and what not. Recall that poor Bengalis had to duke this out in the battlefield.
Have you ever found any Sindhi or Baloch who betrayed Pakistan despite the constant barrage of charges that were hurled at Sindhis and Balochis?
Expressing opinions is a fundamental right and I appreciate the US more because the country provides me an opportunity to express my opinions freely and without any fear.
After having lived in this country for so many years, if you don’t understand this simple thing than I can only say that you still have a lot to learn abt this country.
Sorry once in while, after couple of drinks, I do get emotional. Nothing personal here.
“it his his constant bitching about the system that is grating ........ he an unrepentant islamofascist who will pee in the pot that he eats in and then turn around and bite the hand that fed him, before blowing himself up”
Hamid,
I never thought you could abuse people with such gay abundance. Asadi has worldview and opinions abt things right or wrong you can debate that with him.
Among many things that this country offers, it still believes in freedom of opinion and that opinion could be diametrically opposite to even the founding principles of the country itself. I find thousands of red blood American( must I mention white too?) for last several generations, who wrote ten or maybe 100 times more anti US opinions and no one challenges their patriotism barring a few foul mouth rightwing nutcases. You know dick Cheney or Rush Limbaugh don’t have monopoly on deciding who could be the US citizen.
I think at this point you are just showing your frustrations as you have no right under any US law to decide who lives in this country or who does not. It is a personal matter and let the US government based on legal facts decide on that.
Search the Net and you will find many groups that actually oppose every single policy of the different US administration. In fact, what Asadi writes is often second hand news for me as he relies heavily on the information available thru legal US media and from some really learned opinion makers.
Mind you I am not defending Masadi, he can fend for himself but what I am pointing to you is that what you are suggesting (bitching about the system that is grating) is perfectly legal in this country.
Like Masadi, it seems to me that you don’t have enough faith in the democratic system in the US that can withstand any kind of criticism coming from any group or any ideological strain. Some of it I believe comes from they way we were raised in Pakistan and especially in Punjab. In Sindh when I and several friends were fighting for democracy and little rights that were denied to us poor Sindhis, we too were called enemies of the state, Indian agents and what not. Recall that poor Bengalis had to duke this out in the battlefield.
Have you ever found any Sindhi or Baloch who betrayed Pakistan despite the constant barrage of charges that were hurled at Sindhis and Balochis?
Expressing opinions is a fundamental right and I appreciate the US more because the country provides me an opportunity to express my opinions freely and without any fear.
After having lived in this country for so many years, if you don’t understand this simple thing than I can only say that you still have a lot to learn abt this country.
Sorry once in while, after couple of drinks, I do get emotional. Nothing personal here.
#160 Posted by Behram1 on October 8, 2006 8:36:35 pm
#157 by HP on October 8, 2006 7:52pm PT
Dear HP:
Hamid has outlined most of my thoughts regarding masadi`s usual rants and rave. I, for one, have never condemned immigrant`s current profession. Through his many posts people like masadi come across very negative and depressing and hence the outburst on my part to enlighten him and helping him out.
{Was your response tongue in check or you really don’t know what it takes to be successful? }
No, I have no idea, what happiness means to you. I know exactly what happiness means to me.
{Or were you just telling me that you are happy? } I am just telling you that I am happy.
{As much as I like your worldview and appreciate your positive approach, I find that most of these statements are not signs of being successful. } That is your opinion, and I respect that.
{You maybe outgoing but plenty of nude dancers are outgoing too and I doubt that being outgoing gives you any edge.}
Actually, you are wrong. Being outgoing exudes self-confidence and self-esteem. And it does give me an edge then looking dull and drudged. BTW, I am not a nude dancer.
{Successful people don’t love people that is something gays do. Loving people is not a trait of successful people.} That is once again you opinion and I respect that. And I am not gay.
{“I make friends with Joe Schmuck quite easily, “ every Dick (tom or Harry too) does that . It is not a sign of being successful. }
But not every ali akbar from Pakistan can carry a conversation other than arguments, which incidentally he/she thinks is a conversation. O! and God forbid, if you ever tried a conversation with a Punjabi (regardless from Pakistan or India) their DB level is so high that I had to ask for some sound attenuator.
{“I am good looking, I am funny,” These are not the qualities of successful people some gays may take pride in it but successful people don’t care abt this at all. }
That is once again you opinion and I respect that. And I am not gay.
{“my Sh*t doesn`t stink,” You sound so positive now that I wonder if you actually go down and taste or take a deep breath in the bowl before flushing. }
No, I have expensive air fresheners in my toilet and I always make sure to use the best kind. Maybe you should try some, so that you may not get into this jealousy mode.
{“and yes I make good money.” That sound like something but what is good money for you may not be enough for me. }
Yes, I agree and as I have always maintained, That is once again you opinion and I respect that.
{No Cowboy, not at all. I have no problem with you. } Thank you.
{Like I dont have any problem with lots of Joe Schmucks walking on the streets. I actually never pay attention to them.... :) }
Now here you are being inauthentic, because you have paid attention to me by paying attention to my post.:)
Thank you for always enlightening me.
Respectfully submitted,
Dear HP:
Hamid has outlined most of my thoughts regarding masadi`s usual rants and rave. I, for one, have never condemned immigrant`s current profession. Through his many posts people like masadi come across very negative and depressing and hence the outburst on my part to enlighten him and helping him out.
{Was your response tongue in check or you really don’t know what it takes to be successful? }
No, I have no idea, what happiness means to you. I know exactly what happiness means to me.
{Or were you just telling me that you are happy? } I am just telling you that I am happy.
{As much as I like your worldview and appreciate your positive approach, I find that most of these statements are not signs of being successful. } That is your opinion, and I respect that.
{You maybe outgoing but plenty of nude dancers are outgoing too and I doubt that being outgoing gives you any edge.}
Actually, you are wrong. Being outgoing exudes self-confidence and self-esteem. And it does give me an edge then looking dull and drudged. BTW, I am not a nude dancer.
{Successful people don’t love people that is something gays do. Loving people is not a trait of successful people.} That is once again you opinion and I respect that. And I am not gay.
{“I make friends with Joe Schmuck quite easily, “ every Dick (tom or Harry too) does that . It is not a sign of being successful. }
But not every ali akbar from Pakistan can carry a conversation other than arguments, which incidentally he/she thinks is a conversation. O! and God forbid, if you ever tried a conversation with a Punjabi (regardless from Pakistan or India) their DB level is so high that I had to ask for some sound attenuator.
{“I am good looking, I am funny,” These are not the qualities of successful people some gays may take pride in it but successful people don’t care abt this at all. }
That is once again you opinion and I respect that. And I am not gay.
{“my Sh*t doesn`t stink,” You sound so positive now that I wonder if you actually go down and taste or take a deep breath in the bowl before flushing. }
No, I have expensive air fresheners in my toilet and I always make sure to use the best kind. Maybe you should try some, so that you may not get into this jealousy mode.
{“and yes I make good money.” That sound like something but what is good money for you may not be enough for me. }
Yes, I agree and as I have always maintained, That is once again you opinion and I respect that.
{No Cowboy, not at all. I have no problem with you. } Thank you.
{Like I dont have any problem with lots of Joe Schmucks walking on the streets. I actually never pay attention to them.... :) }
Now here you are being inauthentic, because you have paid attention to me by paying attention to my post.:)
Thank you for always enlightening me.
Respectfully submitted,
#159 Posted by hamidm2 on October 8, 2006 8:12:51 pm
hp,
..... in case you missed this gem from mad mullah masadi :`` it is enacted in a society that is rigged for failure of the many and success of the few. ``.............
.......... as the father of two kids i consider this man to be as big a threat to them as a pedophile ! .............here i am sending my daughter news items about indra nooyi and mark cuban and bill gates and then here comes cheese munching masadi telling her that the reason she got a c on her last test is because the system is rigged against her ! .......... i wish he would just starve himself to death in this holy month (i am desperatly trying to stick to the subject of this board)
#158 Posted by hamidm2 on October 8, 2006 8:04:09 pm
Re: # 149
hp,
you are reading this totally wrong ............... ``I think some of us really need to get a crash course in basic human values. Instead of appreciating asadi for working hard to pay his bills, some of us probably need some education on how hardwork always pays off no matter which society you live in.`` .........
....................... all of us extoll the value of hard work and really admire mullah masadi for working two jobs - it his his constant bitching about the system that is grating ........ he an unrepentant islamofascist who will pee in the pot that he eats in and then turn around and bite the hand that fed him, before blowing himself up !........... the man is a disgrace to all immigrants of any hue and color and sets a bad example for little children who don`t want to do their homework because they think the school system is rigged against them ........... and now he wants to jump on al sharpton`s bandwagon even though his forefathers sold al`s grandpa into slavery in the first place !
look, i always bring up my sprinkler guy because i admire his hard work and he too holds two jobs - he works as a security guard at night so that he can get health insurance (and this might surprise you , but i do support a national health service) ............. but i never hear him bitching about it or blaming the man for his sleepless nights ....... most of us weren`t born with a silver spoon in our mouths and it wasn`t many years ago when i was drinking 69 cents a pack mickey`s bigmouth and eating hamburger helper five times a week .......... during ramadan we would drink some cheap vodka and go to bed hungry because we couldn`t afford the dates, samosas, papri chaat, pakoras and pink milk with roohafza ........... but we never, ever, took government cheese or blamed the man for our misery ..................by working hard and investing in the stock market we have made it, and now this ramadan , by the grace of god, we can afford the best wines and cheese money can buy ................
hp,
you are reading this totally wrong ............... ``I think some of us really need to get a crash course in basic human values. Instead of appreciating asadi for working hard to pay his bills, some of us probably need some education on how hardwork always pays off no matter which society you live in.`` .........
....................... all of us extoll the value of hard work and really admire mullah masadi for working two jobs - it his his constant bitching about the system that is grating ........ he an unrepentant islamofascist who will pee in the pot that he eats in and then turn around and bite the hand that fed him, before blowing himself up !........... the man is a disgrace to all immigrants of any hue and color and sets a bad example for little children who don`t want to do their homework because they think the school system is rigged against them ........... and now he wants to jump on al sharpton`s bandwagon even though his forefathers sold al`s grandpa into slavery in the first place !
look, i always bring up my sprinkler guy because i admire his hard work and he too holds two jobs - he works as a security guard at night so that he can get health insurance (and this might surprise you , but i do support a national health service) ............. but i never hear him bitching about it or blaming the man for his sleepless nights ....... most of us weren`t born with a silver spoon in our mouths and it wasn`t many years ago when i was drinking 69 cents a pack mickey`s bigmouth and eating hamburger helper five times a week .......... during ramadan we would drink some cheap vodka and go to bed hungry because we couldn`t afford the dates, samosas, papri chaat, pakoras and pink milk with roohafza ........... but we never, ever, took government cheese or blamed the man for our misery ..................by working hard and investing in the stock market we have made it, and now this ramadan , by the grace of god, we can afford the best wines and cheese money can buy ................
#157 Posted by HP on October 8, 2006 7:52:04 pm
#155 by behram1
“As for myself, I consider myself successful because I am outgoing, I am positive, I love people, I make friends with Joe Schmuck quite easily, I am good looking, I am funny, and my Sh*t doesn`t stink, and yes I make good money.”
Was your response tongue in check or you really don’t know what it takes to be successful?
Or were you just telling me that you are happy?
As much as I like your worldview and appreciate your positive approach, I find that most of these statements are not signs of being successful.
“I am outgoing” You maybe outgoing but plenty of nude dancers are outgoing too and I doubt that being outgoing gives you any edge.
“I am positive, I love people,” Successful people don’t love people that is something gays do. Loving people is not a trait of successful people.
“I make friends with Joe Schmuck quite easily, “ every Dick (tom or Harry too) does that . It is not a sign of being successful.
“I am good looking, I am funny,” These are not the qualities of successful people some gays may take pride in it but successful people don’t care abt this at all.
“my Sh*t doesn`t stink,” You sound so positive now that I wonder if you actually go down and taste or take a deep breath in the bowl before flushing.
“and yes I make good money.” That sound like something but what is good money for you may not be enough for me.
``Now do you have a problem with a person like me?``
No Cowboy, not at all. I have no problem with you. Like I dont have any problem with lots of Joe Schmucks walking on the streets. I actually never pay attention to them....
:)
#156 Posted by echoboom on October 8, 2006 7:13:57 pm
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#155 Posted by Behram1 on October 8, 2006 7:12:27 pm
Dear HP:
Frankly, like love being successful is in the eyes of the beholder. I understand that you are developing a value system based on monetary system, but maybe masadi has a totally different values to be considered as successful.
{Three presumably successful people (Hamid, Behram, and tahmed now) on this board just forgot how they succeeded in this country. }
As for myself, I consider myself successful because I am outgoing, I am positive, I love people, I make friends with Joe Schmuck quite easily, I am good looking, I am funny, and my Sh*t doesn`t stink, and yes I make good money.
Now do you have a problem with a person like me? Then it is your problem, and not mine.
Respectfully submitted,
Frankly, like love being successful is in the eyes of the beholder. I understand that you are developing a value system based on monetary system, but maybe masadi has a totally different values to be considered as successful.
{Three presumably successful people (Hamid, Behram, and tahmed now) on this board just forgot how they succeeded in this country. }
As for myself, I consider myself successful because I am outgoing, I am positive, I love people, I make friends with Joe Schmuck quite easily, I am good looking, I am funny, and my Sh*t doesn`t stink, and yes I make good money.
Now do you have a problem with a person like me? Then it is your problem, and not mine.
Respectfully submitted,
#154 Posted by masadi on October 8, 2006 7:10:10 pm
ranjit writes <<< Assuming that he is a true believer in his own idiotology, his personal condition reflects the utter failure of that idiotology, while his failure further fuels that idiotology in his own mind. As a result, even if he wants to, he cannot succeed. Ironically his success in US would destroy his own belief system, something that he cannot handle >>>
My personal condition though far from a failure, is not enacted in a world that I made, it is enacted in a society that is rigged for failure of the many and success of the few. A lottery winner does not prove or disprove the strength of an economic system. Once your ``market`` cannot exact the surplus from the code coolies, that you are so proud of, they will be discarded as cockroaches, their employment has nothing to do with their thinking or reasoning ability or the human feeling of the Americans towards them, when not needed this country`s elite discards its own workforce for cheaper labor abroad.
Even if I were to make millions that wouldn`t certainly disprove what I write about which is well documented given aggregate data, personal success or failure has absolutely nothing to do with it. I managed to get a graduate degree in the US with full assistantship, which very few in the US manage, and this society or US society had absolutely nothing to do with it, it had to do with someone who had the moraliy to look at my qualifications objectively and give me equal opportunity, he happened to be a non-American.
My personal condition though far from a failure, is not enacted in a world that I made, it is enacted in a society that is rigged for failure of the many and success of the few. A lottery winner does not prove or disprove the strength of an economic system. Once your ``market`` cannot exact the surplus from the code coolies, that you are so proud of, they will be discarded as cockroaches, their employment has nothing to do with their thinking or reasoning ability or the human feeling of the Americans towards them, when not needed this country`s elite discards its own workforce for cheaper labor abroad.
Even if I were to make millions that wouldn`t certainly disprove what I write about which is well documented given aggregate data, personal success or failure has absolutely nothing to do with it. I managed to get a graduate degree in the US with full assistantship, which very few in the US manage, and this society or US society had absolutely nothing to do with it, it had to do with someone who had the moraliy to look at my qualifications objectively and give me equal opportunity, he happened to be a non-American.
#153 Posted by teshah on October 8, 2006 6:31:28 pm
Re: # 112
bjkumar
How wonderfully you put the question of questions, dear kumar. But it is a question which begs no answer and would perhaps will elicit no response from those to whom it is addressed. It is perhaps the instinctive hatred and ego which makes some people hate others and the best handle and cover for that today is religion.
You say:
``At that point, it is only a matter of time before confrontation develops! Name me one country which has a sizeable Muslim population and there is no confrontation with other religions (unless those other religions have already been chased away).``
This malady is at worst in the country called Pakiland where the law of blasphemy rules supreme. The other religions having been almost chased away from the Land of the Pure or utterly subjugated as helpless minorities, they are now creating new minorities from out of their own religion to give vent to their hatred and brutal instincts, all in the name of that very religion.
The fact is however civilised we may believe to be we humans, in the final analysis, are just animals.
bjkumar
How wonderfully you put the question of questions, dear kumar. But it is a question which begs no answer and would perhaps will elicit no response from those to whom it is addressed. It is perhaps the instinctive hatred and ego which makes some people hate others and the best handle and cover for that today is religion.
You say:
``At that point, it is only a matter of time before confrontation develops! Name me one country which has a sizeable Muslim population and there is no confrontation with other religions (unless those other religions have already been chased away).``
This malady is at worst in the country called Pakiland where the law of blasphemy rules supreme. The other religions having been almost chased away from the Land of the Pure or utterly subjugated as helpless minorities, they are now creating new minorities from out of their own religion to give vent to their hatred and brutal instincts, all in the name of that very religion.
The fact is however civilised we may believe to be we humans, in the final analysis, are just animals.
#152 Posted by Ranjit on October 8, 2006 6:30:30 pm
Re:hp#149
By the way, just for the record, there are many H1Bs who make over 100K, particularly DBAs and Systems Engineers.
There has been a cumulative effect of Indian success in IT. The good reputation gained over several years has led to a situation where it has become stereotypical for Indians to be considered as good in IT. It is kind of like ``profiling``, except that it is positive profiling.
I am regularly in meetings where hiring decisions are made. I have personally seen situations where american executives wanted to hire someone because their resume said undergrad from IIT. The resumes had hundred other things on it, but the IIT label would get a lot of attention, with everyone saying that the person must be really smart and should get the nod.
By the way, just for the record, there are many H1Bs who make over 100K, particularly DBAs and Systems Engineers.
There has been a cumulative effect of Indian success in IT. The good reputation gained over several years has led to a situation where it has become stereotypical for Indians to be considered as good in IT. It is kind of like ``profiling``, except that it is positive profiling.
I am regularly in meetings where hiring decisions are made. I have personally seen situations where american executives wanted to hire someone because their resume said undergrad from IIT. The resumes had hundred other things on it, but the IIT label would get a lot of attention, with everyone saying that the person must be really smart and should get the nod.
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