My Ramadan
Fiza Asar October 5, 2006
#277 Posted by okhla99 on October 15, 2006 9:10:16 pm
Masadi,
Recollect the following questions posed to you on another thread,
Doodh ka doodh, Paani ka Paani Karne Waale chund Sawaal (short ansswer type):
Question 1. What would you recommend to young Pakistanis & University Students : Publications from McGraw Hill, Springer Verlag, Prentice Hall etc or publications from lulu.com and asadi.org???
Question 2. You wish people to believe that Medical Science evolved in the hospitals of Cairo & Damishq where (Soap, Phenyle, antiseptics and antibiotics and CAT scan & MRI technoology) were discovered and that western civilisation is living in filth and sewage. Why Masadi, why ?
Question 3. Why do you wish Pakistan to not co-operate in the war on terror and continue support to Jehadis and terorists? Why do you believe that any such cooperation would tantamount to immediate and complete ``capitulation`` before America or that the status of the ``sovereign state`` of Pakistan would be compromised ?
Question 4. You wish that Musharraf should step down immediately. You secretly wish that you be anointed his successor immediately. Are you for real ???
And also try to recollect your answers to the above.
Do you remember Masadi ???? or have you chosen to forget ???
Recollect the following questions posed to you on another thread,
Doodh ka doodh, Paani ka Paani Karne Waale chund Sawaal (short ansswer type):
Question 1. What would you recommend to young Pakistanis & University Students : Publications from McGraw Hill, Springer Verlag, Prentice Hall etc or publications from lulu.com and asadi.org???
Question 2. You wish people to believe that Medical Science evolved in the hospitals of Cairo & Damishq where (Soap, Phenyle, antiseptics and antibiotics and CAT scan & MRI technoology) were discovered and that western civilisation is living in filth and sewage. Why Masadi, why ?
Question 3. Why do you wish Pakistan to not co-operate in the war on terror and continue support to Jehadis and terorists? Why do you believe that any such cooperation would tantamount to immediate and complete ``capitulation`` before America or that the status of the ``sovereign state`` of Pakistan would be compromised ?
Question 4. You wish that Musharraf should step down immediately. You secretly wish that you be anointed his successor immediately. Are you for real ???
And also try to recollect your answers to the above.
Do you remember Masadi ???? or have you chosen to forget ???
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#276 Posted by harimau on October 15, 2006 9:33:22 am
Ref masadi #275
[Hard work has little to do with games of chance, less of, or more of, a game of chance does not take away from that fact that the odds favor the casino. Few win, most lose, the casino wins always. Details of the games is immaterial.]
Except in the case of Blackjack. When played with a known number of decks (1 to 4), one could count the cards that have been dealt and figure out whether one`s chances improve or decrease. That is why people suspected of card counting are thrown out of casinos with a warning never to come back.... as happened to the MIT team.
[Hard work has little to do with games of chance, less of, or more of, a game of chance does not take away from that fact that the odds favor the casino. Few win, most lose, the casino wins always. Details of the games is immaterial.]
Except in the case of Blackjack. When played with a known number of decks (1 to 4), one could count the cards that have been dealt and figure out whether one`s chances improve or decrease. That is why people suspected of card counting are thrown out of casinos with a warning never to come back.... as happened to the MIT team.
#275 Posted by masadi on October 13, 2006 4:09:08 pm
harimau writes <<< The casinos in Las Vegas offer games of chance. Slot machines, baccarat, etc., involve purely random events. >>>
Hard work has little to do with games of chance, less of, or more of, a game of chance does not take away from that fact that the odds favor the casino. Few win, most lose, the casino wins always. Details of the games is immaterial.
Hard work has little to do with games of chance, less of, or more of, a game of chance does not take away from that fact that the odds favor the casino. Few win, most lose, the casino wins always. Details of the games is immaterial.
#274 Posted by ZahraJ on October 13, 2006 9:47:05 am
Echo -
[self-appointed ``elite`` & noveau Rich ]
Really. I thought that only enlightened monks posted here :)
[self-appointed ``elite`` & noveau Rich ]
Really. I thought that only enlightened monks posted here :)
#273 Posted by echoboom on October 13, 2006 8:48:15 am
Zahraj:272
It is always nice to be in your good books...your chutkiaaN , notwitstanding.
It`ll be very naive of me to overlook the benefits of technology. I myself having pursued a a Master`s in Engineering.
Two reasons:
1) The ganging up by the self-appointed ``elite`` & noveau Rich here on Mr. Masadi was simply getting unbearable. I have this Alsatian-like desire to attack anyone who kicks the underdog.
2) It is always a good idea sometimes to separate the ``personna`` from the ``writer``. Even if I admire technology I consider philosophy, music, religion, and poetry to the ultimate
Ilm (learning). Anything that deals with matter & can acquire value is a handmaiden to above.
P.S: Contrary to the image I present here, I am--to my dismay, not as ``pious`` , as I would desire.
P.S: Have a good Ramazan ( written purposely like this for you) & even a Great Eid.
It is always nice to be in your good books...your chutkiaaN , notwitstanding.
It`ll be very naive of me to overlook the benefits of technology. I myself having pursued a a Master`s in Engineering.
Two reasons:
1) The ganging up by the self-appointed ``elite`` & noveau Rich here on Mr. Masadi was simply getting unbearable. I have this Alsatian-like desire to attack anyone who kicks the underdog.
2) It is always a good idea sometimes to separate the ``personna`` from the ``writer``. Even if I admire technology I consider philosophy, music, religion, and poetry to the ultimate
Ilm (learning). Anything that deals with matter & can acquire value is a handmaiden to above.
P.S: Contrary to the image I present here, I am--to my dismay, not as ``pious`` , as I would desire.
P.S: Have a good Ramazan ( written purposely like this for you) & even a Great Eid.
#272 Posted by ZahraJ on October 13, 2006 8:18:19 am
Echo -
Thank you for posting about Muhammad Younus. Mr. Younus indeed deserved the honor for his strategy and execution. I am sure many at the World Bank and worldwide will be happy to hear the news. Hope you are enjoying the last 10 days of the holy month. It won`t be a bad idea to consider aitakaa`f.
Polite Wishes.
Note: Please do not undermine the power of both ``craft and technology``. Just think about it, if there was no technology you won`t have been able to post your loving posts to the rest of the mankind. And you would not have gotten the instant news about Mr. Younus`s achievement. At least, be thankful to God for his blessings :)
Thank you for posting about Muhammad Younus. Mr. Younus indeed deserved the honor for his strategy and execution. I am sure many at the World Bank and worldwide will be happy to hear the news. Hope you are enjoying the last 10 days of the holy month. It won`t be a bad idea to consider aitakaa`f.
Polite Wishes.
Note: Please do not undermine the power of both ``craft and technology``. Just think about it, if there was no technology you won`t have been able to post your loving posts to the rest of the mankind. And you would not have gotten the instant news about Mr. Younus`s achievement. At least, be thankful to God for his blessings :)
#271 Posted by echoboom on October 13, 2006 4:46:07 am
Escapist:
Pakistan has been ranked consistently by UN organisations as the NUMBER ONE country
when it comes to INDIVIDUAL Charity. It is no coincidence that Sattar Edhi is from there.
But those who look in the mirror and ask every day `` Mirror Mirror, who is the ugliest of all
& once they hear it is MUSLIMS & PAKISTANIS they smile with satisfaction:``but I`m not Paki, I`m not muslim. I look Jamaican! & off to slavery they go``
Donating Billions after eating 900 rats is EASY!
If Jimmy Carter was lauded, then I can understand but the likes of Buffet or Bill Gates?
................Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaakh Thoooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
Never brought anything NEW to the world either material or emotional or spiritual.
Just rehashed , realigned , & rearranged MATTER--No art or science JUST craft & technology!
Laanut bur users & exploiters whose PRIME mover is profit or recognition. A Satanic
attribute indeed. No wonder mankind is terrified of not Divine retribution but of Some men`s
Evil inventions-intentions.
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Why? Has a snake sniffed the SECULAROONS, MUNAFIQUOONS, MURTADOONS, LIBERALOONS, and MIRZAOONS?
when a Muslim achieves something and their Master gets nails hammered into his coffin
why do they weep?
Because they paid to become the ``His Maser`s Voice`` & love to drool at his stool.
Another luminary from a Madressa
The basic grounding is required upto age 10; after that no matter where one gets the ``higher`` education one can never ever become Ba Ba Blacksheep. Jinnah, Iqbal, Faiz, Salaam, Edhi are just the obvious examples
Ba Ba Blacksheep & toata-mainaas are just good enough to become millionaires or even billionaires or CEO types MATERIAL movers, never ever MIND movers. Such is the purpose of Macaulay`s education. Macaulay--A GREAT mind-REMOVER indeed!
Nobel for Muhammad Younas--Long Long overdue
Profile: `World banker to the poor`![``Muhammad]()
Pakistan has been ranked consistently by UN organisations as the NUMBER ONE country
when it comes to INDIVIDUAL Charity. It is no coincidence that Sattar Edhi is from there.
But those who look in the mirror and ask every day `` Mirror Mirror, who is the ugliest of all
& once they hear it is MUSLIMS & PAKISTANIS they smile with satisfaction:``but I`m not Paki, I`m not muslim. I look Jamaican! & off to slavery they go``
Donating Billions after eating 900 rats is EASY!
If Jimmy Carter was lauded, then I can understand but the likes of Buffet or Bill Gates?
................Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaakh Thoooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
Never brought anything NEW to the world either material or emotional or spiritual.
Just rehashed , realigned , & rearranged MATTER--No art or science JUST craft & technology!
Laanut bur users & exploiters whose PRIME mover is profit or recognition. A Satanic
attribute indeed. No wonder mankind is terrified of not Divine retribution but of Some men`s
Evil inventions-intentions.
************************************************************
Why? Has a snake sniffed the SECULAROONS, MUNAFIQUOONS, MURTADOONS, LIBERALOONS, and MIRZAOONS?
when a Muslim achieves something and their Master gets nails hammered into his coffin
why do they weep?
Because they paid to become the ``His Maser`s Voice`` & love to drool at his stool.
Another luminary from a Madressa
The basic grounding is required upto age 10; after that no matter where one gets the ``higher`` education one can never ever become Ba Ba Blacksheep. Jinnah, Iqbal, Faiz, Salaam, Edhi are just the obvious examples
Ba Ba Blacksheep & toata-mainaas are just good enough to become millionaires or even billionaires or CEO types MATERIAL movers, never ever MIND movers. Such is the purpose of Macaulay`s education. Macaulay--A GREAT mind-REMOVER indeed!
Profile: `World banker to the poor`
Muhammad Yunus was ``really delighted`` by the award
Muhammad Yunus is often referred to as
``the world`s banker to the poor``.
His revolutionary Grameen (Village) banking system is estimated to have extended credit to more than seven million of the world`s poor, most of them in Bangladesh, one of the poorest nations in the world.
The vast majority of the beneficiaries are women.
Mr Yunus came up with the idea in 1976 while professor of economics at Chittagong University in southern Bangladesh.
YUNUS was born on June 28, 1940 in Chittagong, Bengal, India—which became part of East Pakistan in 1947 and Bangladesh in 1971. His father, Muhammad Dula Meah, was a prosperous gold-jewelry merchant whose limited (seventh grade) education and deep religious beliefs never prevented him from encouraging YUNUS and his brothers to study, travel and experience new things. YUNUS` mother, Sufia Khatun, attended school only up to fourth grade, but she was a very intelligent woman. She could read, and YUNUS remembers her repeating stories and reciting poems to her children. The first child in the family was a girl who married at 13 or 14. The next child and first son was educated in an Islamic religious school at his mother`s request, but then went on to study commerce and law. YUNUS, the third in the family of nine, was the family`s first academic star and world traveler....
..............and the rest is a nail in the coffins of Ba Ba Black-sheep
Muhammad Yunus is often referred to as
``the world`s banker to the poor``.
His revolutionary Grameen (Village) banking system is estimated to have extended credit to more than seven million of the world`s poor, most of them in Bangladesh, one of the poorest nations in the world.
The vast majority of the beneficiaries are women.
Mr Yunus came up with the idea in 1976 while professor of economics at Chittagong University in southern Bangladesh.
YUNUS was born on June 28, 1940 in Chittagong, Bengal, India—which became part of East Pakistan in 1947 and Bangladesh in 1971. His father, Muhammad Dula Meah, was a prosperous gold-jewelry merchant whose limited (seventh grade) education and deep religious beliefs never prevented him from encouraging YUNUS and his brothers to study, travel and experience new things. YUNUS` mother, Sufia Khatun, attended school only up to fourth grade, but she was a very intelligent woman. She could read, and YUNUS remembers her repeating stories and reciting poems to her children. The first child in the family was a girl who married at 13 or 14. The next child and first son was educated in an Islamic religious school at his mother`s request, but then went on to study commerce and law. YUNUS, the third in the family of nine, was the family`s first academic star and world traveler....
..............and the rest is a nail in the coffins of Ba Ba Black-sheep
#269 Posted by Fumair on October 12, 2006 5:27:47 pm
good piece , i grasp the same thought this year,when spent last ramadhan in total inconsistency. I am now a bit grate ful to Almighty for His grant of seheri and aftari at my home with my family , caz prior to last year i use to avail with my friends aaa ramadhan buffets specials in the lighting city.
khair, long story short foot note , i learned my lesson , and don`t let my parents alone at the aftari table.
khair, long story short foot note , i learned my lesson , and don`t let my parents alone at the aftari table.
#268 Posted by harimau on October 12, 2006 4:28:20 pm
Ref masadi #266
[..... thank you for pointing out one more similarity between US society and the Las Vegas Casinos. By the way the losers pull the levers with just as much or more strength and hard work as those that win, so hard work is not a factor in the winning.]
The casinos in Las Vegas offer games of chance. Slot machines, baccarat, etc., involve purely random events.
In the case of Blackjack, when you start counting cards it becomes less of a game of chance.
If you don`t understand that (and you seem not to), you shouldn`t be comparing casinos to a job at General Motors.
[..... thank you for pointing out one more similarity between US society and the Las Vegas Casinos. By the way the losers pull the levers with just as much or more strength and hard work as those that win, so hard work is not a factor in the winning.]
The casinos in Las Vegas offer games of chance. Slot machines, baccarat, etc., involve purely random events.
In the case of Blackjack, when you start counting cards it becomes less of a game of chance.
If you don`t understand that (and you seem not to), you shouldn`t be comparing casinos to a job at General Motors.
#267 Posted by masadi on October 12, 2006 9:11:35 am
GT writes <<< Who is Mills to take Hamid`s analysis to an end, logical or otherwise? I believe that Hamid is quite capable of ending his analysis himself. I feel uncomfortable when ``social theorists`` think on behalf of others >>>
Actually he has a duty to take it to its logical conclusion because hamid 2 pack has not thought about what he is blurting out. What he is blurting out means that power is defined in terms of hard work (knowledge) as is wealth. Which is a prepostrous assertion. Further the entire society and system of education in this coutry is setup on that false presumption (regardless of your disagreement). If you read the quote from Mills he talks about knowledge in such circumstances being taken as an ``instrument``, an instrument to make progess in the market or to ``make it``. Now tell me why do people in the US go to colleges and universities~ for the sake of ``career`` and advancement and more money. Very few take knowledge for the sake of knowledge, most use it as an instrument.
I disagree with Mills on some of his assertions in other areas but on this he is right on, as he is on the structure of power analysis.
Actually he has a duty to take it to its logical conclusion because hamid 2 pack has not thought about what he is blurting out. What he is blurting out means that power is defined in terms of hard work (knowledge) as is wealth. Which is a prepostrous assertion. Further the entire society and system of education in this coutry is setup on that false presumption (regardless of your disagreement). If you read the quote from Mills he talks about knowledge in such circumstances being taken as an ``instrument``, an instrument to make progess in the market or to ``make it``. Now tell me why do people in the US go to colleges and universities~ for the sake of ``career`` and advancement and more money. Very few take knowledge for the sake of knowledge, most use it as an instrument.
I disagree with Mills on some of his assertions in other areas but on this he is right on, as he is on the structure of power analysis.
#266 Posted by masadi on October 12, 2006 9:03:10 am
harimau writes <<< A bunch of MIT graduate students analyzed blackjack, figured out a winning strategy, cleaned out a few casinos and were banned for life from playing >>>
Just like when you figure out how to go around the rigged system and succeed inspite of the powers that be, you end up serving life in prison for ``terrorism``- thank you for pointing out one more similarity between US society and the Las Vegas Casinos. By the way the losers pull the levers with just as much or more strength and hard work as those that win, so hard work is not a factor in the winning.
Just like when you figure out how to go around the rigged system and succeed inspite of the powers that be, you end up serving life in prison for ``terrorism``- thank you for pointing out one more similarity between US society and the Las Vegas Casinos. By the way the losers pull the levers with just as much or more strength and hard work as those that win, so hard work is not a factor in the winning.
#265 Posted by zeemax on October 12, 2006 1:44:59 am
#261 by hamidm2
Hamidm, you completely misread my comments.
1) How many auto manufacturers were there in USA at advent of auto industry and how many now?
2) How many Oil companies were there in USA at advent of Oil industry and how many are there now?
3) What reason do you have to believe same will not happen to the US IT industry?
Hamidm, you completely misread my comments.
1) How many auto manufacturers were there in USA at advent of auto industry and how many now?
2) How many Oil companies were there in USA at advent of Oil industry and how many are there now?
3) What reason do you have to believe same will not happen to the US IT industry?
#264 Posted by ZahraJ on October 11, 2006 10:09:33 pm
ChowkAdmin - You should let this article on the front page till the end of Ramadan. It will keep the audience busy and involved. Hopefully, some of them will learn the charitable act of giving from Gates and Buffet. It may be too difficult to be that giving culturally, but you never know. Real life examples can be inspiring.
#270 Posted by escapist on October 12, 2006 10:09:32 pm
Re: # 264
Zahra,
You have talked about Pakistanis not spending on charities and how the culture of this country is not geared toward that.
I just want to say I know hundreds of organisations/hospitals/schools/health societies running on purely charities collected from pakistan. Infact, all the chambers of commerce donate every year. And its not just the business community, I see poeple helping alot. Atleast thats how it is where I live. And I am in Karachi right now.
Regards
Zahra,
You have talked about Pakistanis not spending on charities and how the culture of this country is not geared toward that.
I just want to say I know hundreds of organisations/hospitals/schools/health societies running on purely charities collected from pakistan. Infact, all the chambers of commerce donate every year. And its not just the business community, I see poeple helping alot. Atleast thats how it is where I live. And I am in Karachi right now.
Regards
#262 Posted by echoboom on October 11, 2006 5:12:03 pm
Zeemax:
Why are these Uncle Toms going ga-ga deevanaas at someone else`s wedding. How does living in a brownstone next to the most expensive penthouse make one great, I fail to understand.
But the dumbo-donkeys keep on the mantra: ``Ah! but my future is bright``.
The Lion & the Mule
The Lion:
``Among the inhabitantsof the jungle, you stand apart
What be your lineage, your bloodline & your folks?``
The Mule:
`` Does your honour not know my uncle, mommy`s bro?
He`s the champion stallion..that sire of Royal Stable``.
.................................................................Allama Iqbal.
P.S: These are masticated squeezed Gandairees, Sugar-cane bites, time to spit them out.
Why are these Uncle Toms going ga-ga deevanaas at someone else`s wedding. How does living in a brownstone next to the most expensive penthouse make one great, I fail to understand.
But the dumbo-donkeys keep on the mantra: ``Ah! but my future is bright``.
The Lion:
``Among the inhabitantsof the jungle, you stand apart
What be your lineage, your bloodline & your folks?``
The Mule:
`` Does your honour not know my uncle, mommy`s bro?
He`s the champion stallion..that sire of Royal Stable``.
.................................................................Allama Iqbal.
P.S: These are masticated squeezed Gandairees, Sugar-cane bites, time to spit them out.
#260 Posted by bulleya on October 11, 2006 10:35:24 am
hamidm mian....``if you did, you are a bigger fool than arjun makes you out to be ..........``
``jabb pyaar kiyaa tou darna kyaa.....``
......pragmatism may seem like a successful long term way of approaching life........however, there is a lot to said about conviction.......every now and then, one should make a few of life`s decision on conviction and not on pragmatism..........you may want to try it some time........it will make life a lot simpler, and will go a long way in simplifying the complex issues you maybe having difficulty trying to figure out.........
i left the military in even more spontaneous circumstances than i left the usa.........and with far far more conviction and almost no pragmatism........have yet to regret either of those two decisions........
.......a fool who can look everyone in the eye, with a clear conscious, is much better than a genius who cannot.........
``jabb pyaar kiyaa tou darna kyaa.....``
......pragmatism may seem like a successful long term way of approaching life........however, there is a lot to said about conviction.......every now and then, one should make a few of life`s decision on conviction and not on pragmatism..........you may want to try it some time........it will make life a lot simpler, and will go a long way in simplifying the complex issues you maybe having difficulty trying to figure out.........
i left the military in even more spontaneous circumstances than i left the usa.........and with far far more conviction and almost no pragmatism........have yet to regret either of those two decisions........
.......a fool who can look everyone in the eye, with a clear conscious, is much better than a genius who cannot.........
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