The General and Kargil

#164 Posted by zeemax on October 11, 2006 5:39:36 am

OK hideous_macaca .. let`s see what you`re getting at ...

It wasn`t that Bubba sought to meet NS to apply ``pressure``

(1)Why did he send Gen Zinni?

it was NS at the Army`s prodding, because it was getting beaten black and blue ...

(2) So if Nawaz did what the army wanted, why was he overthrown and sent to jail and exile``

...and India wasn`t shying away from escalating the conflict by threatening a naval blockade, forcing the saber-rattling by Macaca-stan.

(3) If Macacia wasn`t shying away from escalating, why didn`t it cross LOC?

Also, the word macaca was used and is now the trademark for hindia. It can`t be used for Paks unless for your silly pissu trying to divert its meaning. So refrain from using it. Use something else or invent one ....

Now answer the 3 easy questions above. Even you can do that being so dumb.

#163 Posted by harish_hyd on October 11, 2006 5:35:38 am

#162 by zeemacaca

Hahaha .. I hacked the pissu`s password ... LoL

What`s the big deal? Jumping up and down like a monkey...any schoolkid with a little help can do that.

#162 Posted by zeemax on October 11, 2006 5:31:39 am

Hahaha .. I hacked the pissu`s password ... LoL

#161 Posted by zeemax on October 11, 2006 5:30:48 am

#158 by zeemacaca the Bhand

One word ... US pressure ....!

Umm..not really. It wasn`t that Bubba sought to meet NS to apply ``pressure``, it was NS at the Army`s prodding, because it was getting beaten black and blue, and India wasn`t shying away from escalating the conflict by threatening a naval blockade, forcing the saber-rattling by Macaca-stan.

BTW enough about this sh*t ....

Why? Getting uncomfortable with facts? LOL!

#160 Posted by harish_hyd on October 11, 2006 5:30:45 am

#159 Posted by okhla99 on October 11, 2006 5:28:51 am

Respected Harish_hyd, zeemax

Pl avoid using words like Bhand, Macaca, canine etc.

Your posts are intelligent anyway and need not be unnecessarily vitriolic.

respectfully submitted.

#158 Posted by zeemax on October 11, 2006 5:18:24 am

#157 by hideous_macaca

Abey pissu ...

why did it abide by his decision to withdraw from Kargil?

One word ... US pressure ....!

BTW enough about this sh*t .... what happened to your deal? Congress didn`t approve it and went into recess eh?

Macaca Pissu_flea in US dog`s ear .............. LFMAO

#157 Posted by harish_hyd on October 11, 2006 5:08:51 am

#155 by zeemacaca the Bhand

Nawaz wasn`t a part of the plan nor was he taken into confidence.....as the army`s plan was going well.

Hey Bhand Macaca, don`t you think you`re contradicting yourself, and rather badly at that? If Nawaz Sharif was not a part of the plan and if the Macaca Army`s plan was going well, then why did it abide by his decision to withdraw from Kargil? Can`t have it both ways can you?

#156 Posted by arjun2 on October 11, 2006 5:07:48 am

awww...peemax has become unhinged..Having to face the reality that you ended up abandoning the bodies of your soldiers without being able to hold on to the land you captured can do that to a person...

Kashmir banega Pakiland......NOT!!!

#155 Posted by zeemax on October 11, 2006 5:01:22 am

#154 by hideous_macaca

Hahaha ... why did you leave out the quotes re nukes etc ?... And what Gen Zinni said as quoted by your own #43 by ugly_macaca i.e. :

Zinni`s book throws light on Kargil withdrawal .... Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and his civilian colleagues appeared reluctant to endorse a withdrawal. That got Musharraf`s attention, and he encouraged Prime Minister Sharif to hear me out,`` writes Gen. Zinni.

The quotes from Reidel`s article YET AGAIN ... are:

...On the third, more information developed about the escalating military situation in the area —disturbing evidence that the Pakistanis were preparing their nuclear arsenals for possible deployment.

...There was more disturbing information about Pakistan preparing its nuclear arsenal for possible use. I recommended that he use this only when Sharif was without hisaides, particularly not when the Foreign Secretary, Shamshad Ahmad, who was known to be very close to Pakistani military intelligence (ISI) was in earshot.

... Clinton asked ... Did Sharif order the Pakistani nuclear missile forceto prepare for action? Did he realize how crazy that was? You’ve put me in themiddle today, set the U.S. up to fail and I won’t let it happen. Pakistan is messing with nuclear war.

Now. Once and for all because I`m getting tired of this sh*t. Nawaz wasn`t a part of the plan nor was he taken into confidence. It was the military`s plan and they had planned for all out war. Pak had succeeded in infilterating and holding their positions right from Jan till July and when macacia threatened naval blockade, that was the punchline and point of no return. That`s when US found out and since it could not talk directly to the military due to Pak having an elected PM, they approached Nawaz through Zinni. Nawaz was reluctant to comply NOT because of Pak losing, but because of the impending coup against him if he DID comply as the army`s plan was going well. Only after Zinni assured Nawaz, that Nawaz went to see Clinton and took his family along ... just in case. Nawaz was worried for his and his family`s security ... not of Pak losing.

Get it now? No? Ok ... go jump up and down like the monkey you are ...

#154 Posted by harish_hyd on October 11, 2006 4:17:31 am

#150 by zeemacaca the Bhand

Read my responses # 95, 98 & 109 here quoting Bruce Reidel`s article on the Clinton/Nawaz meeting at Blair House on 4th July 1997 for your answers.

Sure dear Bhand Macaca...here are excerpts of meeting from the horse`s mouth.

http://www.sas.upenn.edu/casi/publications/Papers/Riedel_2002.pdf#search=%22bruce%2Briedel%2Bkargil%22

``Sharif became increasingly desperate as he saw how isolated Pakistan was in the world. He urgently requested American intervention to stop the Indian counterattack. (Hey Macaca, why would he do that? After all, Macacas were winning, no?) Washington was clear — the solution required a Pakistani withdrawal behind the LOC, nothing else would do. In the last days of June Sharif began to ask to see President Clinton directly to plead his case. (doesn’t look like the PM of a winning nation, does he?) Sharif had met the President several times earlier, in New York and Washington and at the funeral of King Hussein in Amman. They had also spoken extensively in the spring of 1998 when the President had pleaded with Sharif not to follow India’s example and test its nuclear weapons. Although that effort failed (despite promises of enormous U.S. aid to Pakistan), the two leaders had developed a genuine personal bond and felt comfortable talking to each other.``

``On the 3rd, Sharif was more desperate and told the President he was ready to come immediately to Washington to seek our help (Hey Macaca, what’s with that? Macaca-stan was winning, wasn’t it? Then why was the Macaca PM desperate?). The President repeated his caution — come only if you are ready to withdraw, I can’t help you if you are not ready to pull back. He urged Sharif to consider carefully the wisdom of a trip to Washington under these constraints. Sharif said he was coming and would be there on the 4th.``

``Sharif’s intentions also became clearer. He was bringing his wife and children with him to Washington, a possible indication that he was afraid he might not be able to go home if the summit failed or that the military was telling him to leave. At a minimum, Sharif seemed to be hedging his bet on whether this would be a round trip.``

``Everyone left the room except Sharif, Clinton and myself. The President insisted he wanted a record of the event. Sharif asked again to be left alone, the President refused. The Prime Minister then briefed the President on his frantic efforts in the last month to engage Vajpayee and get a deal that would allow Pakistan to withdraw with some saving of face. He had flown to China to try to get their help to press India to agree to a fixed timetable for talks to resolve Kashmir. Sharif’s brief was confused and vague on many details but he seemed a man possessed with fear of war.``

``The Prime Minister told Clinton that he wanted desperately to find a solution that would allow Pakistan to withdraw with some cover <hey Macaca, why would winning nations seek cover?). Without something to point to, Sharif warned ominously, the fundamentalists in Pakistan would move against him and this meeting would be his last with Clinton.``

``The President dismissed this with a wave of his hand and then told Sharif that he warned him on the second not to come to Washington unless he was ready to withdraw without any precondition or quid pro quo. Sharif had been warned by others as well. The President said he had a draft statement ready to issue that would pin all the blame for the Kargil crisis on Pakistan tonight.``

The point to note here, dear Bhand Macaca, is at every point during the meeting, Clinton wasn`t treating Nawaz Sharif any better than his Chaprasi. Not exactly the way PM`s of winning nations are treated, isn`t it?

#153 Posted by tahmed32 on October 11, 2006 4:10:43 am

i meant late afternoon for zeemax, and late night for harish, in the post below.

#152 Posted by tahmed32 on October 11, 2006 4:10:02 am

harish/zeemax: this daily early morning (which i guess is late afternoon and late night) ritual of your macaca posts is becoming a standard chowk feature now. kind of like the goosestepping and strutting of border guards that goes on at wagah border when the border gates are being closed. :-)

#151 Posted by zeemax on October 11, 2006 3:59:05 am

.....read 4th July 1997 as 4th July 1999.

#150 Posted by zeemax on October 11, 2006 3:56:40 am

#149 by hideous_macaca

You`re truly an unqualified idiot. Read my responses # 95, 98 & 109 here
quoting Bruce Reidel`s article on the Clinton/Nawaz meeting at Blair House on 4th July 1997 for your answers.