The General and Kargil

Krishna_abcd #82 {``We need revenge. My recommendation is the Indian army rolling right through Pakiland, and performing mass conversions - to Judaism - AFTER neutralizing them with pork.
So the conversion plan would be Pakis (Jehadis) -> Pork-laden sub-humans (with no hope of the 72 Whoores) -> Jews.
Now THAT would be sweet revenge. :) ``}

Krishna_abcd,
You do have a wild (and bizarre) imagination. :) What happened? Did the orange markings on your forehead penetrate the skull?

Mohar11 #86 {``And what happened to Salim amd Urstruly anyway?... How come these are two have stooped down to lick the mushy`s b@!!s?``}

Mohar Bhayya,
What happened to Salim (can`t speak for Maulana Urstruly Sahib) is the lack of choices. Despite being against dicatorships, for democracy, for freedom, and against corruption, I am forced to pray for Mushy`s life exactly because of these reasons. Pakistan`s democratically-elected governments (BB +Nawaz) X 2)) have left such a disgusting fear of elections, that many Pakis prefer this ``world-class`` author and statesman. LOL A concerned citizen can only be as objective as his choices permit him to be.

My post #61 {``If this was such a major defeat for the Pakis, why are Injuns to emotionally upset, even much more than the Pakis who ostensibly lost this war, at the mere mention of Kargil?``} produced eight varying responses from my Indian friends. These have ranged from the absurd (Krishna_abcd #82) and cavalier (Mohar11 #86, arjun #62), to the rational (friend #63, GT #64, BJ #65, Ranjit #66, and even Stuka #70).

First of all, I agree with those of my Indian friends who are upset at the senseless loss of Indian (and Pakistani) lives as a result of Mushy`s stupid misadventure. This is exactly my point - why should we lose so many good men (and women), just so some of our stupid leaders can beat their chests or enjoy the ``minor and major`` setbacks of their adversaries in New Delhi or Islamabad?

Now, if Indians can see the sheer stupidity of this aggression in Kargil, you can understand why many the equally stupid Indian incursion in Siachen receives such disgust from many Pakis. Now, if you agree with that, you can then realize how upset many Pakis are with India for meddling in East Pakistan and creating Bangladesh. Sure, in the short term, Indira Gandhi`s interference led to the bifurcation of Pakistan, weakening of an adversary, and a severe and catastrophic setback in the Pakistani psyche. However, as the saying goes ``You broke it, you own it,`` BD is more India`s problem than Pakistan`s.

In conclusion, I suggest that in our mutually-assured nuclear destruction state, Indians and Pakistanis realize the pernicious effects of such lunacy and go back to developing a genuine relationship that will render these misadventures utterly useless. Thanks.

Re: # 107

Ranjit bhai u are right key Nawaz Sharif kee phut gai thee..that`s because he was investing heavily into setting up of sugar mills in India...if Mush would have gone for the nuke option tou phir luch nahi bachta india mein..remember Pak is the one not willing to sign the no first strike treaty and that is because there would be only one strike and that is it....
aik jhatka aur phir india wipe out ho jaiey ga..no time for retaliation...its just a matter of few buttons...

``....Musharuff is the a pretty clean leader pakistan has had. I am not aware of any of his kids or other making money of his name unlike some of the others. ``

Is that some sort of a certificate?

At that level a simple omission means millions of dollars in any bank in any island or swiss bank.....................a simple nod is worth millions for a dictator and his cronies..............


whom are we deluding????

If we know him.........he might infact be financing the Jehadis wordwide with his ill gotten cuts and commissions ..........

So `macaca` has become a common word now.. :-)

I watched a movie that is a spoof of historical movies.. in which the king would order an artist to draw a portrait with just the king`s face but the body will look like that of a body-builder.. The king is a puny little guy. When the minister questions the king, he will reply who`ll know that the king is a puny guy hundred years down the line, but the portrait will stay..

Musharraf`s book resembles that line..

#110 by ugly_macaca

.....when will Kashmir banega Pakiland?

Sooner than you think.

...Any timeline on when the flag .... will fly on srinagar?

I`ll put my chip on 2010 or sooner. No later than that.

LoL.

#109 by zeemax on October 10, 2006 5:54am PT


Ok peemax: whatever..to each paki his own self-delusions..if you want to delude yourself into thinking Pakiland won in Kargil, knock yourself out..if you want to delude yourself into thinking Pakiland does 300million $ of IT exports, knock yourself out..


p.s.

If Kargil was such a great victory, when will Kashmir banega Pakiland?

Any timeline on when the flag of allah`s MFN will fly on srinagar?

#105 byUgly_macaca re#93 by zeemax

.....Nawaz wanted a face saving gesture..People who are winning don`t ask for face saving gestures....

Hahaha ... macaca jumping up & down. Abey macaca, if Pak was losing why was it readying the nukes which in any case was for escalation?

And if it was Clinton doing the begging, why did Nawaz go to DC?

For Bloomingdales ... Hahahaha ...

Abey macaca he went himself with his family because he knew army was planning a coup and he had the choice to remain in USA in that case .. that too is in Bruce Riedel`s book.

#107 by moronic_macaca

Indian nukes can obliterate your piddly country in one night

Hahaha ... I`m literally rolling on the floor.

Abey macaca see the whole plan. Firstly, macacaland does not have sub-kiloton tactical nukes, Pak does. 3 out of the 5 tested were sub-kiloton tactical warheads. India only made and tested the biggies. Making tactical nukess is a lot harder than making those big mothers of 10 kiloton or more. Next, the tripwire defence of 10 kilometres inside Pak territory (someone mentioned it) was a defensive plan inside PAK`S OWN TERRITORY, not on MACACALAND`S leaving macacaland with no basis for a wholesale nuke strike oh Pak cities, which in any case Pak could match with its own. Macacaland was done with if the war hadn`t stopped. I regret that now after meeting you macacas.

But everyone knows the low-class macacas here are too dumb to fathom military strategy like that!

Re:ahmedmadani#91

[...I found something so good. Actually my daughter send me casset. There is heavenly Bandish in Raga Basant. All those who like Kirana Gayaki know Late Abdul Karim Khan`s khayal (basant) ``Fugwa Brij Dekaneko`` but he is heavenly in another Bandish in Rag Basant surpasses heavely pleasure for ears and brain. ``Ab maine Man Dekhe``.It is hardly 4 minutes but lifts and you go in paradise of notes.I have listened lot but its heavely. Also Khansahib in Khayal other Ragas (Bilawal,Shudh pilu.Malkauns)....]

Ahmed madani sahib, please dont mind my exchanges with zeemax, whom I consider to be a scum of the earth, who deserves to be royally spanked.

I have listened to this Raag Basant bandish from Ustad Abdul Karim Khan - ``Ab maine Man Dekhe``. It is absolutely divine and is one of my favorites too. In fact, Ustad Abdul Karim Khan was perhaps, the best vocalist that I have ever heard. What a voice!! He even trumps Bade Ghulam Ali Khan. In fact it was said about him that if an instrument didnt match his voice, that instrument was out of tune.

If you like Abdul Karim Khan, listen to Pt. D.V. Paluskar. Paluskar`s voice was very similar to Abdul Karim Khan. He was from Gwalior Gharana. In fact if you have seen Baiju Bawra movie, Pt. Paluskar was Baiju`s voice in that famous competition song with Tansen (Ustad Amir Khan) - ``Aaj Gaavat Man Mora``. He has several 2 mins recordings of different raags which are delightful.

I havent heard Pt. Bhimsen Joshi sing that particular bandish in Basant. But he has sung several others like ``Jamuna ke teer``, ``Bajuband khul khul jaye`` etc. I would recommend that you listen to Raag Lalit Bhatiyar bandish from Pt. Joshi - ``O Kartar``. It is really spellbinding as he mixes two of the most complex raags Lalit and Bhatiyar.

Re:zeemax#98

[..What I infer from it, Mr. macaca_dick, is the obvious fact that Nawaz did not run to Clinton asking for help. It was the other way around. Clinton wanted to stop the war at any cost because he knew Pak had deployed its tactical nukes in the event of a naval blockade of Karachi by macaca navy, which was the next military step by macacaland though it is not mentioned by Bruce Riedel.....]

Abey macaca_mullah, did the US beg General Niazi to surrender in Dhaka in 1971? The fact is that Nawaz Sharif peed in his shalwar - Phat ke haath me aa gayi thi. He could see that things were moving to a nuke showdown which would mean the end of Pakistan. He surrendered and pulled his northern infantry macacas back from Kargil, otherwise Islamabad would be a graveyard today.

And tactical nukes kise dikha raha hai, macaca? Indian nukes can obliterate your piddly country in one night and you put you back in the stone age. Then macacas like you can swing from trees all day.

#89 by Mantolives on October 9, 2006 10:39pm PT

Should we now throw out our t-shirts with paki flags and wear t-shirts with musharraf`s mug to stay safe in the US?

Tell you what...since it`s Pakiland that`s associated with islamic terrorism and pakis who`re more likely to looked upon as terrorists by the feds, why don`t you try the t-shirt thingy out..

we`ll see if it gives you any better treatment that this...

#93 by zeemax on October 10, 2006 1:15am PT


Hello peemax..the paki army was getting the cr@p kicked out of it. The military wanted a withdrawal but Nawaz wanted a face saving gesture..People who are winning don`t ask for face saving gestures..

And if it was Clinton doing the begging, why did Nawaz go to DC? Non-deluded people expect Vajpayee to go to DC or bubba to come to Islamabad....

#103 should have read ``.......one of the most clean leaders pakistan has ever had......``

#102 bjkumar, please give HP the benefit here.....
one is certain....Musharuff is the a pretty clean leader pakistan has had. I am not aware of any of his kids or other making money of his name unlike some of the others. In this HP could be on the right track.

As for the rest HP lives in a world where he is the Mother Superior ofthe Convent and the rest are mere novices.......Chowk needs a few flighty types. For the ones who can be flighty are more masculine and muscular!

#83 by HP

Absolutely brilliant, HP! I think you should be given some kind of chowk award for your originality of ideas. It is perhaps the most original of all ideas (with the possible exception of some of my dear Zeemax (and of course Mr. Ahmedmadani sahib))!

I would like to just add a few words and do some further extrapolations based on your ideas.

From the very outset, I wanna make it clear that I have not read Mushy’s book nor have I the intention to spend money on it. The author of this article has selectively quoted a few things but mostly he has spent time quoting some other people to refute mushy’s contention – in all probability because he did not wish to spend money, either – a characteristic shared with large number of chowkies.

Mushy may have meant something different than what some common commentators think (unlike HP, who is absolutely uncommon).

Understanding the context is crucial in following a political subject.

Secondly, I believe that Pakistanis are the smartest people in the world who never lack the ability to really follow the political or diplomatic meaning in any of mushy’s comments – they understand his nuances so well, they love him so much from the bottom of their hearts that they elected him with a 98% majority – which is probably why GWB is so much in awe of him. (No Pakistani exceptions to this rule, except the measly 2 percent who did not show up for the polls – perhaps they overslept after a long night of qawwali!)

That aside, I think mushy “wrote” this book with some specific purpose in mind and that purpose was not to just make money. Because he could just be taking money from the usual sources – like the US Treasury, which can fork him any amount he names – which could be immediately reimbursed via commissions on arm sales to Pakistan, of course!

You see, the opportunity could not have been better – now that the Versey has bolted, the vast multitude of chowkies are truly missing their daily quota of fiction – and who is better to fill her boots than the Mushy!

Just look at the clues – out goes the Versey, and in comes this book! What could be more suspicious?!!

And who do you think the REAL writer (the writer behind the ghost writer) is?!! Yup, HP got it! The book was published to coincide with her return from the US trip and the trip was confirmed just ten months ago. So the book was hastily written and sold to a major publishing house which did not even have time to proofread, fact check, and work on grammar. You don’t expect such grave errors from a major publication house unless the publisher was forced to accept the book as it is – and unless the writer is who I implied the real writer is!

Just think who could have possibly forced/convinced a major publishing house to print this book!

Secondly, the book was meant to be sold in the US – where most of the chowkies are physically located. The US admin was so happy with the book that President Bush himself was gleefully peddling the book. Can any Pakistani, with the exception of HP, put two and two together here? I doubt that.

Now let me get in to a little background of what I am implying. It has been well known that most Pakistani army Generals have been in league with the Versey for a long time. They have always been amply rewarded by favorable articles. Their kids have so many articles now that at least their next seven generations are set to read for life. Some other generals from the afghan war era are set for at least next three generations.

Can any one catch my drift here? The book was written and published in the US to pave the way with favorable opinion at chowk.com for Mushy baba. The question is what was the need for so much hassle when all that was needed was a stern talk with the chowk fat-cats?

Well! The times have changed. Public opinion polls are not what they used to be. The Pakistani fauzis have little left to do – since our smart CIA men have the administration of that country in their good hands – but it seems that the US will like to keep Mushy around after he is shunted out of power in the next couple of years. Money wise he is already set, for Mush will, I believe generate 10 to 12 million bucks out of this deal. Now public is not going to buy million copies but the US libraries and schools, the Saudi government, the US government, The Pak govt. and many other well wishers would contribute to Gen. Musharaf’s welfare fund and it will be legal for Mush to live in the US after retirement off of legal income. The rest of his income would stay somewhere else.

But a man needs more than money in his life. He needs fame, recognition and most important, he needs his creativity to bloom – like Mao’s proverbial thousand flowers!

Like Ayub Khan was rewarded for signing Cento, Seato, U2 and Badabaer facilities, Zia was rewarded for helping in Afghanistan, Manto’s beloved Musharaf is being rewarded for his help before, during and after 9-11. He is being groomed to become the next Chowk Chief Editor!

That is all there is to it about the book and who cares what facts are about anything?