Hijacking of Islam

Arjun, Zeemax, echoboom, Harimau are all who continuously and frequently ``cross the line``. All of them need to be disciplined-- i.e. either all or none. Chowk staff should not discriminate against specific individuals.

Zeemax-- perhaps the problem they find with you is your (what we find) ingenuity in discovering new ``names`` for the Indians. But somehow, you overdo it, repeating the names and variations, ad nauseum.

However, I do agree that chowk approach towards banning should be uniform.

Ref zeemax #233

[Indeed, what constitutes name calling / hate speech and what doesn`t is a mystery as well .. e.g. :

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4) Zeemax = continued hate-speech; harimau = continued cupid personified.
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Hmmm ... All I can deduce from above is that when there`re too many soiled lungis left behind on the field, the referee jumps in to restore the balance. Fair enough ....]

Actually, you selectively abuse Indians and that too only Hindus. Harimau is well-known as an equal opportunity abuser. He abuses with relish Islamofascists, Pakistanis, those Indians who dare cross him, and in particular Masanamuthus of Tamil Nadu. He toys with that dear boy Yasser Latif Hamdani.

Therein lies the difference.

#142 by tahmed32 re #zeemax 138

Ok. Sorry for the interruption. These chowk bouncers are themselves rampaging drunks.

On ``These emotions are not reciprocated``: you write :

It is emotions that are not reciprocated that I was ... questioning ... how many times have arabs done the same on kashmir? not once.

True. It was also India that officially supported Palestine cause more than Pak did except of a brief period in the 70s. Also, it was Brigadier Zia of Pak, later the President General Zia, who had massacred 15,000 Palestinians in Jordan in 1965. Would they still support you over India?

you add: ``I dont like to generalize about any people - you find fine people and lowlife among all groups, arabs or israelis, pakistanis or indians, africans or europeans.``

But you constantly rant against `Arabs`, `Arbis` etc. . How`s that given the above?

On 2) ``....what happened at around the same time 60 years ago in pakistan-india..``:

you write re: ``It was an exchange of populations, and certainly not `expulsions```:

The palestinians did not have to go through any of the brutalities that muslims in India and Hindus and Sikhs in what became Pakistan had to go through. The did not have train-passengers slaughtered, women killing themselves to save themselves from dishonor, brother watching brother being surrounded by sikhs and going down fighting even as he was being slashed by swords (as was also the case for one of our relatives). So, please dont tell me that palestinians suffered more than Pakistanis or Indians in 1947.

This is an extremely pernicious remark. Do you really believe that? How? In fact they suffered much much more than your kin (and mine) as you have graphically detailed; and continue to do while we don`t; so much so that they`ve taken to blowing themselves up just so that they can take at-least a single one of their tormentors with them.

you write: This brings me to the answer the palestinans I mentioned had: they said that in the subcontinent, we had our own country to go to while they have no country. To this extent this palestinian lady was right, of course. I did not pursue this point further with the palestinians...but ask you to think about the answer they gave and ponder the implications.

Now this really makes me think about your answer, not the Palestinians. On one hand you vehemently oppose the two-nation theory which resulted in the carnage upon your kin as better not having taken place, on the other hand you fault the Palestinians for not supporting your Kashmir cause against India which is precisely based on the two-nation theory.

What gives? Do you support the TNT for Kashmir but not for Pakistan?

Re: # 233

i support zee bhiya in his jehad against the use of ``peemax``.... that is an injustice.... if a pakistani wants to pay homage to zee tv then, indians should not discourage him for doing so....

zee bhiya jindabad.

chowk-staff

Currently Zeemax is banned from posting because of his continuous disregard of Chowk guidelines. This is a warning to all -- Anyone who continues name calling and/or hate-speech will be banned from posting any further. (emphasis mine)

Oh well ... can`t make head or tail of what the chowk bouncers mean by above ... i.e. what they consider merely filterable and what outright bannable without warning.

Indeed, what constitutes name calling / hate speech and what doesn`t is a mystery as well .. e.g. :

1) Macaca (various prefixes) = no no; Rabid Paki (and various prefixes) = yes yes.

2) Hideous/ugly macaca = no no; Peemax = yes yes.

3) Excrement worshipping etc = no no; paedophile worshipping etc = yes yes.

4) Zeemax = continued hate-speech; harimau = continued cupid personified.

5) Multiple nicks = no no; arjun2/arjun_m = yes yes.

6) Zeemex = bannable; rest = filterable.

Hmmm ... All I can deduce from above is that when there`re too many soiled lungis left behind on the field, the referee jumps in to restore the balance. Fair enough ....

Muslim stabs wife when daughter becomes Christian in Australia ``If children fail, the mother is at fault and will bear the brunt of the blam``


A devout Muslim woman was attacked and stabbed to death, allegedly by her husband, after their 17-year-old daughter announced she was embracing Christianity, according to police and news reports.

Officials say Dr. Muhammad Hussain, 48, remained in critical condition in the Gold Coast Hospital with knife wounds, under police guard, as authorities investigated the death from stabbing injuries of his wife, Yasmine, 41.

According to Assist News Service, neighbors of the Australian family reported ``blood curdling`` and ``terrifying`` screams, along with cries of ``Help me, help me, they`re trying to kill me,`` on Monday night. Shortly after, the report said, Kaihana Hussain fled from the family`s apartment, dressed in underwear because her clothes had been torn off, with blood splattered over her scratched and cut body.

Police found the mother inside the apartment, dead, and the father seriously hurt. It was not immediately clear how the father was also stabbed.

``From what we understand the daughter decided to tell her father of her radical plan to convert to Christianity which, in the eyes of most Muslims, is totally unacceptable and to be honest, sadly, many would react as he has done,`` a Muslim source told ``The Gold Coast Bulletin.``

``It is the Islamic way that if a son or daughter does or plans to do something that is unacceptable or wrong for a Muslim then it is the mother who is automatically at fault and will bear the brunt of the blame,`` the source said.

The mother and daughter apparently had arrived in the popular East Australia region only a few days earlier. The doctor apparently had been there for several weeks, establishing his medical practice.

Elizabeth Kendal, of the World Evangelical Alliance Religious Liberty Commission, told ASSIST that the tragedy highlights ``the great and urgent need for rigorous, open debate on what Western religious liberty means for Muslim immigrants, and what Islam`s rejection of apostasy means for Christians in terms of convert care.``

Reports said Hussain finished his medical training in Bangladesh in 1982 and in 2001 finished a masters in family medicine program in Australia. The family settled earlier in Adelaide, where the daughter attended a local nondenominational Christian school.

Police indicated the religious dispute was being reviewed, but they couldn`t confirm the details. Neighbors, however, supported that account.

Neighbor Caitlin Dalton told The Australian that many people heard the screams as the girl fled the luxury apartment.

She told the neighbors she had wanted to ``convert from the Islam religion … and obviously her father didn`t handle it very well,`` Dalton said.

A police detective-inspector said the investigation would determine if charges will be filed.

``This matter may end up in a criminal trial or may end up in a coroner`s court. Before we know the full facts, I`m not willing to speculate,`` he said.

Officials at Pembroke school in Adelaide, where the teen had attended, said the school is nondenominational and students are encouraged ``to seek their own spiritual journeys.``

Students are not required to participate in Christian services, officials said.

Pembroke principal Malcolm Lamb released a statement explaining the school`s practice.

``In the case of Islamic students the school is in principle and in practice very supportive of students observing religious customs, such as wearing the Hijab – this has happened in the past, observing fasting and the need for prayer rooms,`` Lamb said.

The Quran does instruct the faithful to kill those who leave the faith but Muslim leaders have said that is not to be taken literally.

Zahraj:229
thanks.
another one for his pleasure reading

it really belongs here:

October 14, 2006 8:25pm PT


4 brothers arrested for throwing mom on dad`s funeral pyre

Associated Press
NEW DELHI — Indian police have arrested four brothers for allegedly throwing their 95-year-old mother onto their father`s funeral pyre, in accordance with an old but illegal Hindu custom that persists in rural pockets of India, media reports said Friday.

The incident took place Wednesday evening in the village of Baniyani in the central Indian state of Madhya Pradesh, the Press Trust of India news agency reported.

The brothers and villagers initially said the woman, Kuria Devi, climbed into the flames by herself, committing sati, as the ritual suicide is known. Sati has been banned for nearly two centuries.

However police investigating the death said she was too old and frail to have clambered up alone.
and this is the video for you arjun-m Saj rahee kaisee teri amma sunehri gotay meiN.
Those who have not watched it or heard it would never forget it. Not scary; its belly-aching FUNNY!

Re: # 209

urstruly

YAAR truly you have done well to debunk QADIANI Mazhab. But I am sorry to say that you tried to do all this on mere technical grounds which raise many questions. For instance:

1. You say the last masjid did not literally mean the last one as many mosques were raised after that. My question is why the prophet got a mosque raised in his life destroyed by declaring to be harmful to the unity of the believers. Are not the Mullah mosques doing the same thing today?



2. What about the Hadees whereby the entire face of earth has been declared as a mosque by Allah for the Muslims? Does it not put an end to the `Dhanda` of hate-preaching at the Mullah mosque?

3. Why did you downgrade `Qibla - e -Awal` just to win a point against Qadiani?

4. Why to take cover behind technicalities and not say any thing about merit? As it is, will you accept Mirza as prophet simply if it is proved technically that the last prophet does not mean literally the last one but the greatest one, as they say in a QAWALI: ``Shahe Madina, Yasrab ke wali; Saare nabi tere dar ke sawaali``.

regards

Arjun - This is for your pleasure reading.

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New charges possible in baby beating
Saturday, October 14, 2006

By KIBRET MARKOS
STAFF WRITER


An Upper Saddle River nanny caught brutalizing a 6-month-old girl on videotape could face more serious charges once authorities review all of the medical reports, a Bergen County prosecutor said Friday.

Identified only as P.S., the girl remained at Hackensack University Medical Center, where doctors Friday were trying to determine exactly how much damage was done when 51-year-old Manjula Patel of Rochelle Park slapped and shook her, then threw her on a hardwood floor and stomped and kicked her, said Assistant Bergen County Prosecutor Liliana Silebi.

Patel said very little when she was brought to Superior Court in Hackensack, where she was formally charged with aggravated assault and child endangerment, both second-degree counts that carry up to 10 years in prison each upon conviction. She remained held on $200,000 bail at the Bergen County Jail on Friday.

Silebi didn`t say what other charges could follow.

``The [medical] testing is still ongoing, and depending on what those results are in the next couple of days, there may be additional charges,`` she said.

Patel, an Indian national, has been in the United States since June. The Upper Saddle River family hired her through a newspaper ad six weeks ago after interviewing her, Silebi said. She declined to comment on whether they had done any background check.

Silebi said the family left a video camera running on a table in their living room Wednesday. After returning home and viewing the video, they called an ambulance.

The incident renewed debate over ``nanny cams,`` with distributors touting their use and nanny hiring agencies insisting they expose a greater need.

``I think it`s an absolute stupidity,`` said Bob Mark of America`s Nannies, a Paramus placement agency. ``People get cameras, and they think that will excuse their negligence and failure to properly screen their nannies.``

Mark said he wondered why the family would hire an immigrant ``who just got off the boat,`` instead of finding a nanny with experience and solid references.

``These are mistakes that people make over and over again,`` he said. ``They cheap out and hire a complete stranger to save a few bucks. Yes, such nannies are to blame for abusing children, but the family is also to blame for giving them the opportunity.``

Silebi, meanwhile, said the Upper Saddle River case should be a warning to other parents hiring nannies.

``This is an example of what can happen when you take a nanny into your house,`` she said. ``It`s very important to do a background check.``

Andrea Flagg, a career nanny and president of the Nanny Alliance of New York and New Jersey, agreed that proper screening -- rather than ``nanny camming`` -- is the best way to avoid abusive caretakers.

Flagg said she was once ``nanny-cammed`` by a family she worked for six years ago.

``I felt very self-conscious,`` she said. ``I felt like I was being stalked.``

Rhyder McClure, president of The New York Nanny Cam Co., disagreed.

``Are you going to tell me that it`s OK not to have a camera when you leave the most precious thing you have -- which is your child -- in the hands of a stranger?`` said McClure, whose company distributes cameras in the metropolitan area. ``Any parent in this day and age who doesn`t have a nanny cam is bordering on irresponsibility.``

Christy Ann Bozanian, owner of Be Our Nanny, a placement and referral agency in Leonia, incorporated both views.

``There is never too much protection you can give to your child,`` she said. ``We would want the parents to take every step possible under the law to protect their children.``

Nanny cams have become increasingly popular in recent years. Parks Associates, a market research firm focusing on digital home devices, estimated that nearly 40 percent of households with children in 2004 have shown interest in such products.

In 2006 alone, the firm estimates, close to 1.2 million homes nationwide will have installed wireless cameras, said Bill Ablondi, director of home systems at the Dallas-based firm.

Nanny cams have helped solve several child-abuse cases, said Bergen County Prosecutor John L. Molinelli. But that doesn`t mean parents should rely solely on them, he warned.

``Parents are usually right when they feel that something is wrong [with a nanny],`` Molinelli said.

Instead of shopping for a nanny cam, the prosecutor said, they should call police at that point.

``Don`t wait for the very harm to occur that you are seeking to avoid,`` he said.

hijacked my ass....A minority of muslims are actual jihadis and the majority condone their actions by supporting them, being their apologists or standing by and doing squat(like the guys in canada who let the paki spout extremist views in the mosque because he quote - took out the trash for them unquote....

THE MISSISSAUGA NEWS
Muslim leader fears backlash over Liberal views

Radhika Panjwani
Oct 13, 2006

The new president of the Muslim Canadian Congress (MCC) says she is feeling the wrath of Islamic fundamentalists because of her stance on such issues as terrorism, homosexuality and religious law.

Now, Mississauga`s Farzana Hassan Shahid is calling on Queen`s Park to intervene. She wants Ontario Attorney General Michael Bryant to incorporate the kind of threats made by various radical groups against her and other members of the MCC into the framework of existing hate crime laws.

``There is an underlying fear all the time...that uneasy feeling is part of my daily life,`` Hassan Shahid told The News. ``I have been declared an apostate (a person who forsakes their religion) twice, for opposing the Sharia (a form of Islamic law). We have asked Michael Bryant to include or acknowledge accusation of blasphemy and apostasy into the existing hate laws so the public and legal frame work is sensitized to this issue.``

Hassan Shahid said she and other members of her organization receive threatening e-mails and are subjected to other acts of hatred from radical Muslim groups. One strongly worded hate-mail accused her of being the, ``younger sister of Satan.``

More recently, Hassan Shahid has been in the eye of the storm for her organization`s stance on homosexuality. Her husband was questioned by some congregation members at a local mosque recently and ordered to, ``control his wife.``

``I got a lot of negative e-mails from the Muslim community, questioning my stand on gay and lesbian issues,`` she said. ``I had a hard time explaining to them that I am not supporting homosexuals, but supporting equal rights for them.``

MCC`s vocal opposition of violence, too, doesn`t sit well with the fundamentalist, she said. Hassan Shahid said many Muslims are angry and accuse the organization of not supporting the plight of Muslims in places such as Chechnya, Palestine and Serbia.

``We have denounced terrorism with a type of clarity that is really needed now,`` Hassan Shahid said. ``When we do that we are accused of not understanding the political conflicts abroad...we`re really caught between the devil and the deep blue sea.``

MCC`s former communications director, Tarek Fatah resigned from his post after receiving death threats.

Sohail Raza, the present communications director of MCC, said radical elements are changing mosques, that were once great cultural entities, and relegating them into places where rituals are enforced.

``I think where we lose out is the ability to discuss,`` Raza said. ``The stand is not a line in the sand, every body has a right to interpret their own religion, every body has the right to debate and discuss issues, unfortunately that is lacking and that is what we want to encourage in a democratic society like Canada.``

Oh those poor innocent jihadis..


Worker beheaded in south Thailand

BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) -- Suspected Muslim insurgents in southern Thailand beheaded a man in a gruesome attack carried out in the presence of the victim`s daughter, police said Friday.

The man was identified as a 45-year-old Burmese worker at a prawn farm in the Nong Chik district of Pattani province, one of three Muslim-majority provinces in Thailand that has been gripped by a deadly insurgency since 2004.

Four armed men entered the prawn farm Thursday evening, blindfolded the man`s 16-year-old daughter and shot the man at close range before beheading him, said police Col. Thawan Nakarawong, head of the Nong Chik precinct.

The gunmen then picked up the head and drove about 20 kilometers (12 miles) to a site where they tried to blast it with a bomb, but the device failed to detonate, Thawan said.

``The insurgents left a note demanding that police and soldiers pull out from the area, otherwise they will kill more people,`` Thawan said.

This is an interesting read on the the development among Muslims.

An Arab Therapist
Seeks to Lift the Veil
On a Touchy Subject

With Frank Talk About Sex,
Ms. Kotb Helps Couples
Confront the Unknown
By MARIAM FAM
October 11, 2006; Page A1

SAN`A, Yemen -- On a recent trip to Yemen, Heba Kotb drew an audience o