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#122 :Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you ...another pathetic attempt to salvage the day for the dearly departed Gandhiji ... below

#122 by queen_cut&paste

Hello Queenie. Is that your pet macaca? How sweet ... Thanks :-)

Mantolives is our resident Don, Don Quixote , the man from La Mancha. Always ready to tilt at windmills, be they Mullahs (as witnessed by the great fight with Atif2), or Gandhi (as witnessed with his on going tilts with Sadna, Amansandhu and everyone really).

In his perpetutal state of half-madness and a confused state, he, Yaseer, believes himself to be a knight, re-names himself Mantolives de la Lahore, and has set out to fight injustice in the name of his beloved maiden Jinnah, or as he knows him in his mind, Great Intellectual Leader and father of India.





Mantolives all ready to fight gandhiji

#120 by Mantolives

Dear Yasser mian,

I am still taken aback by your description of the racism portion of Gandhi`s collected works as ``every little thing``.

Just as I am about your claim that I called Gandhi`s autobiography the ``gospel truth``.

Dear Harish mian,

I am still taken aback by your description of the racism portion of Gandhi`s collected works as ``every little thing``.

#117 by Mantolives

Could you show me - since you say Gandhi did not hide anything in his autobiography- on which page he mentions - regretfully or otherwise- his racism against black people in South Africa (which are corroborated by his collected works) and whether he had now changed his view.

Dear Yasser, I explained it in simple English, but apparently it was a bit too much for you. Please re-read #116.

If not, then it is clear that his autobiography is not the gospel truth you wish to make of it.

You seem to have a rather fertile imagination. Gospel truth? Please let me know where I make such a claim.

PS: Also would you say that the copious body of work that is found in the Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi regarding the status of black people and their inferiority can be honestly described as ``every little thing`` as you put it?

Dear Harish mian,

Please... I asked you a simple question for my information.

Could you show me - since you say Gandhi did not hide anything in his autobiography- on which page he mentions - regretfully or otherwise- his racism against black people in South Africa (which are corroborated by his collected works) and whether he had now changed his view.

If not, then it is clear that his autobiography is not the gospel truth you wish to make of it.

#115 by Mantolives

Please quote exactly where Gandhi in his autobiography has admitted his racism against black people. It was a great cover up.

Yasser mian, when did Gandhi (or for that matter I or anyone else who has argued for him) exactly claim that he was the most perfect man to have been born? Gandhi made terrible mistakes during his life, but when you compare him with his contemporaries, he comes across one man who was conscientious to a fault, always ready to accept his mistakes and more importantly, correct himself. I will grant you that he did not accept each and every mistake that he made, but who does? Do you or I remember every little thing we did years ago?

Not untill the collected works of Gandhi came out, did the world learn of Gandhi`s true views. By then, insidious propaganda and clever marketing techniques had already confirmed him as a saint.

Gandhi never marketed himself, nor did he have the need to. Even minute things that normal human beings would hide (like his jealousy when he saw Kasturba talking to other males or his lust for her when his father was dying in an adjacent room) out of shame and guilt, he chose to talk about them openly.

Please don`t give the greatest fraud in human history aka Mohandas Karamchanda `` Mahatma`` Gandhi too much credit- my friend. His autobiography is a joke and a clever ruse.

You are entitled to your views and I am to mine, but suffice it to say that Gandhi remains an inspiration to many, and his approach to various problems in a non-violent and peaceful manner is more relevant today than it was during his times. His approach has brought about change for the better in many peoples` lives. For this alone, he will be remembered for a long long time to come.

I don`t think you got what I was trying to say anyway.

Sure..please yourself anywhich way you like.

Bj mian,

So you have direct telephone connection with God as well? Take some good advice from Stuka. He means well.

Dear Harish mian,

Please quote exactly where Gandhi in his autobiography has admitted his racism against black people. It was a great cover up. Not untill the collected works of Gandhi came out, did the world learn of Gandhi`s true views. By then, insidious propaganda and clever marketing techniques had already confirmed him as a saint. Please don`t give the greatest fraud in human history aka Mohandas Karamchanda `` Mahatma`` Gandhi too much credit- my friend. His autobiography is a joke and a clever ruse. I don`t think you got what I was trying to say anyway.

Mian hamidm,

Listen mian – I will grant you that your views are not the WORST ones on this site. And you can be a bit funny at times!

That much I will grant you – but nothing more!

Every time you make wholesale statements about Hindus, in jest or otherwise – you screw up your goodwill!

Every time you refer to the killer Kashmiris as freedom-fighters – you screw up your goodwill more.

And every time you denounce the good man who cared for every soul in the subcontinent as much as his own life and you join up with the likes of despicable two-bit fakers like Yasser and Aisha who prop up who proved to be the worst poison that was ever born and brought up in the subcontinent, in jest or otherwise – your credibility goes through the floor!

Except it does not stop at a concrete basement floor – it keeps going down, down, down – headed straight down where the man down there lives – and where the Jinnah burns.

And shall continue to burn for eternity!

And I don’t care one paisa on what pedestal this crowd puts you on.

Be wary of high pedestals – the higher they are, the more it hurts upon the fall!

As far as those who want me to go away – you are not the first ones. I will leave when it darn well pleases me and not a second earlier or later. So go screw yourselves!

Ref bjkumar #95

{#93 Harimau

[sadly the Nagas are abandoning their headhunting ways and becoming Christians in droves]

My dear, a Christian is any day better than a headhunter - especially if you ask those heads - I mean especially if you had asked the those heads while they were still connected to the rest of their bodies!}

My sadness is at the Nagas abandoning their headhunting ways, not at their conversion to Christianity. We in India need to preserve our multicultural society and headhunting is a particularly spectacular cultural activity that has been on the decline throughout the world. I don`t believe Christianity allows the Nagas to retain their historical culture and this makes me sad.

While I generally deplore conversions to Islam, I am willing to make an exception in the case of the Nagas. After all, Muslim Nagas will still be permitted to hunt human heads; any doubts about this issue is easily resolved by referring to the situation of Daniel Pearl.

And to think that people are going around claiming that Islam erases the culture on which it is imposed! Nothing could be farther from the truth!

BJ Yaar

I agree with all you say about Gandhi, Jinnah, Pakistan and the lot. I also think HamidM is a despicable raving mad Jihadi Paki trying to be a liberal.

Rest assured we are on the same plane idologically speaking. So are most Indians and Hindus. Now that you are ware that we are all on the same side, why waste your time and effort trying to convince these stupid Pakis who will never learn. Why not take a break from Chowk?

After all, though your views are great, you somehow lack the capability of making your writing interesting and/or humourous. It is Bhagwan kee Marzi that he has given HamidM the Jihadi the ability to write in a way that even us Kafirs are delighted and enamoured...even when he calls us Horrible Hindoos and brings to mind the sideways wag of the head and the open toed chappal.

In short, HamidM, in his brief writings, gives me as much pleasure on Chowk as PG Wodehouse gives me in real life. A brief hiatus by you (say a few years) and a burst of creative writing from HamidM, would make the chowk experience that much better for us all (your ideological followers)

Cheers Mate.

bj murfker,

hamidm ko kuchh naheen bolna !!!!!!!!!!!

#108 by bjkumar

Actually BJ, I`m a great fan of Mrs. Hamidm from what Mr. Hamidm says of her. Is that OK with you?

Manto,

So it doesn`t matter what the world thinks at present...

My grandfather/father always used to say Gandhi was a fraud .... years ago ... so a lot of people always knew it.