Pervez Musharraf Vs. George Orwell

#115 by Mantolives

Please quote exactly where Gandhi in his autobiography has admitted his racism against black people. It was a great cover up.

Yasser mian, when did Gandhi (or for that matter I or anyone else who has argued for him) exactly claim that he was the most perfect man to have been born? Gandhi made terrible mistakes during his life, but when you compare him with his contemporaries, he comes across one man who was conscientious to a fault, always ready to accept his mistakes and more importantly, correct himself. I will grant you that he did not accept each and every mistake that he made, but who does? Do you or I remember every little thing we did years ago?

Not untill the collected works of Gandhi came out, did the world learn of Gandhi`s true views. By then, insidious propaganda and clever marketing techniques had already confirmed him as a saint.

Gandhi never marketed himself, nor did he have the need to. Even minute things that normal human beings would hide (like his jealousy when he saw Kasturba talking to other males or his lust for her when his father was dying in an adjacent room) out of shame and guilt, he chose to talk about them openly.

Please don`t give the greatest fraud in human history aka Mohandas Karamchanda `` Mahatma`` Gandhi too much credit- my friend. His autobiography is a joke and a clever ruse.

You are entitled to your views and I am to mine, but suffice it to say that Gandhi remains an inspiration to many, and his approach to various problems in a non-violent and peaceful manner is more relevant today than it was during his times. His approach has brought about change for the better in many peoples` lives. For this alone, he will be remembered for a long long time to come.

I don`t think you got what I was trying to say anyway.

Sure..please yourself anywhich way you like.

Bj mian,

So you have direct telephone connection with God as well? Take some good advice from Stuka. He means well.

Dear Harish mian,

Please quote exactly where Gandhi in his autobiography has admitted his racism against black people. It was a great cover up. Not untill the collected works of Gandhi came out, did the world learn of Gandhi`s true views. By then, insidious propaganda and clever marketing techniques had already confirmed him as a saint. Please don`t give the greatest fraud in human history aka Mohandas Karamchanda `` Mahatma`` Gandhi too much credit- my friend. His autobiography is a joke and a clever ruse. I don`t think you got what I was trying to say anyway.

Mian hamidm,

Listen mian – I will grant you that your views are not the WORST ones on this site. And you can be a bit funny at times!

That much I will grant you – but nothing more!

Every time you make wholesale statements about Hindus, in jest or otherwise – you screw up your goodwill!

Every time you refer to the killer Kashmiris as freedom-fighters – you screw up your goodwill more.

And every time you denounce the good man who cared for every soul in the subcontinent as much as his own life and you join up with the likes of despicable two-bit fakers like Yasser and Aisha who prop up who proved to be the worst poison that was ever born and brought up in the subcontinent, in jest or otherwise – your credibility goes through the floor!

Except it does not stop at a concrete basement floor – it keeps going down, down, down – headed straight down where the man down there lives – and where the Jinnah burns.

And shall continue to burn for eternity!

And I don’t care one paisa on what pedestal this crowd puts you on.

Be wary of high pedestals – the higher they are, the more it hurts upon the fall!

As far as those who want me to go away – you are not the first ones. I will leave when it darn well pleases me and not a second earlier or later. So go screw yourselves!

Ref bjkumar #95

{#93 Harimau

[sadly the Nagas are abandoning their headhunting ways and becoming Christians in droves]

My dear, a Christian is any day better than a headhunter - especially if you ask those heads - I mean especially if you had asked the those heads while they were still connected to the rest of their bodies!}

My sadness is at the Nagas abandoning their headhunting ways, not at their conversion to Christianity. We in India need to preserve our multicultural society and headhunting is a particularly spectacular cultural activity that has been on the decline throughout the world. I don`t believe Christianity allows the Nagas to retain their historical culture and this makes me sad.

While I generally deplore conversions to Islam, I am willing to make an exception in the case of the Nagas. After all, Muslim Nagas will still be permitted to hunt human heads; any doubts about this issue is easily resolved by referring to the situation of Daniel Pearl.

And to think that people are going around claiming that Islam erases the culture on which it is imposed! Nothing could be farther from the truth!

BJ Yaar

I agree with all you say about Gandhi, Jinnah, Pakistan and the lot. I also think HamidM is a despicable raving mad Jihadi Paki trying to be a liberal.

Rest assured we are on the same plane idologically speaking. So are most Indians and Hindus. Now that you are ware that we are all on the same side, why waste your time and effort trying to convince these stupid Pakis who will never learn. Why not take a break from Chowk?

After all, though your views are great, you somehow lack the capability of making your writing interesting and/or humourous. It is Bhagwan kee Marzi that he has given HamidM the Jihadi the ability to write in a way that even us Kafirs are delighted and enamoured...even when he calls us Horrible Hindoos and brings to mind the sideways wag of the head and the open toed chappal.

In short, HamidM, in his brief writings, gives me as much pleasure on Chowk as PG Wodehouse gives me in real life. A brief hiatus by you (say a few years) and a burst of creative writing from HamidM, would make the chowk experience that much better for us all (your ideological followers)

Cheers Mate.

bj murfker,

hamidm ko kuchh naheen bolna !!!!!!!!!!!

#108 by bjkumar

Actually BJ, I`m a great fan of Mrs. Hamidm from what Mr. Hamidm says of her. Is that OK with you?

Manto,

So it doesn`t matter what the world thinks at present...

My grandfather/father always used to say Gandhi was a fraud .... years ago ... so a lot of people always knew it.

Who cares if the Indians on this site like “Hamidm2”!

Who cares if Manto and Sarwari duo gush over him during their most passionate moments!!

Who cares if Subroto and Humsab fondly admire him – “feeling” tender feelings!

Who cares if Congressman Towns thinks he is the best thing to happen since checking accounts were invented!!

Who cares if the Pakistani ladies (by which I mean ALL Pakistanis) swoon over him?!!

His ass will get whipped every time he defends the indefensible.

Anybody who has the gumption to defend the Dead Man automatically becomes eligible to get handed his own ass for toast!!

Butter or no butter!

And Roza or no Roza!!!

#105 by Mantolives

Just the facts please.

Dear Yasser mian, so are the ``facts`` you talk about unearthed recently by you? Or have they existed all along yet no one paid any attention to except perhaps the attention-seekers and rabble-rousers themselves? And even if they were true, so what? Gandhi never attempted to hide them in the first place. He has openly talked about his failings in his autobiography himself, so what is that you have ``discovered`` that is new? And are MN Roy, Ambedkar, and Ramaswamy Naicker the only amongst ones the thousands who knew Gandhi personally who share these opinions? If so, their views don`t amount to a hill of beans.

So it doesn`t matter what the world thinks at present... the world once thought earth was flat... the world is not going to be ignorant forever.

Your litany of allegations and the epithets that accompany them is more akin to someone trying to convince himself that the sun rose in the west or someone pissing at the sky than the world believing that the Earth is flat.

bj ji
Reverend Hamidm is the most liked, loved and adored person on this site. He sits right at the top on a high pedastal and he has full freedom to keep on drilling sense in everyone`s head. He is unique. So, if you don`t give him respect due to him, many indians will be unhappy.
Regards

Dear Harish mian,

Just the facts please. We know that many people believe Gandhi is some sort of a saint.. but I am only concerned with those who`ve actually bothered to investigate Gandhi`s life and their conclusions are similar to mine... and are shared by people like M N Roy, Ambedkar and E V Ramaswamy Naicker.... So it doesn`t matter what the world thinks at present... the world once thought earth was flat... the world is not going to be ignorant forever.

#103 by Mantolives

It is a very hard job and all the BJs in the world will not prove that Gandhi was anything other than what we know of him through his own works...

So tell us, what is Gandhi known for all over the world? His ``racist, casteist, misogynist, Hindu fascist`` behavior or his leading of the biggest non-violent freedom struggle in the history of mankind?

Hamidm,

Poor BJkumar, true to his name, is still trying to fluff up that racist, casteist, misogynist, Hindu fascist Gandhi the greatest FRAUD known to man, a Hindu exclusivist who believed that in order to be an Indian, a person had to be a true Hindu first... whatever that means. It is a very hard job and all the BJs in the world will not prove that Gandhi was anything other than what we know of him through his own works...

There is absolutely no mercy - nor there ever will be any - for those who indulge in underhanded sneaky tactics of covering up for pure evil that Gandhi the bigot was!

If HamidM is a jihadi then I am the Shankracharya (no not the one from Kanchi cos I hear he has a few problems these days).

And talking of the Congressman (to whom mian Hamidm2 CLAIMS he just sent money), it looks like he has suddenly realized what the other politicians have known for a while.

That Islamic terrorism is a BAD thing. Witness the following quote:

The horrific attacks of 9/11 awakened our nation and the American people to a mortal danger that threatens our way of life and our very existence. We need to be committed and resolved to protect the American people and our homeland; we have no higher duty.