Pervez Musharraf Vs. George Orwell

Who cares if the Indians on this site like “Hamidm2”!

Who cares if Manto and Sarwari duo gush over him during their most passionate moments!!

Who cares if Subroto and Humsab fondly admire him – “feeling” tender feelings!

Who cares if Congressman Towns thinks he is the best thing to happen since checking accounts were invented!!

Who cares if the Pakistani ladies (by which I mean ALL Pakistanis) swoon over him?!!

His ass will get whipped every time he defends the indefensible.

Anybody who has the gumption to defend the Dead Man automatically becomes eligible to get handed his own ass for toast!!

Butter or no butter!

And Roza or no Roza!!!

#105 by Mantolives

Just the facts please.

Dear Yasser mian, so are the ``facts`` you talk about unearthed recently by you? Or have they existed all along yet no one paid any attention to except perhaps the attention-seekers and rabble-rousers themselves? And even if they were true, so what? Gandhi never attempted to hide them in the first place. He has openly talked about his failings in his autobiography himself, so what is that you have ``discovered`` that is new? And are MN Roy, Ambedkar, and Ramaswamy Naicker the only amongst ones the thousands who knew Gandhi personally who share these opinions? If so, their views don`t amount to a hill of beans.

So it doesn`t matter what the world thinks at present... the world once thought earth was flat... the world is not going to be ignorant forever.

Your litany of allegations and the epithets that accompany them is more akin to someone trying to convince himself that the sun rose in the west or someone pissing at the sky than the world believing that the Earth is flat.

bj ji
Reverend Hamidm is the most liked, loved and adored person on this site. He sits right at the top on a high pedastal and he has full freedom to keep on drilling sense in everyone`s head. He is unique. So, if you don`t give him respect due to him, many indians will be unhappy.
Regards

Dear Harish mian,

Just the facts please. We know that many people believe Gandhi is some sort of a saint.. but I am only concerned with those who`ve actually bothered to investigate Gandhi`s life and their conclusions are similar to mine... and are shared by people like M N Roy, Ambedkar and E V Ramaswamy Naicker.... So it doesn`t matter what the world thinks at present... the world once thought earth was flat... the world is not going to be ignorant forever.

#103 by Mantolives

It is a very hard job and all the BJs in the world will not prove that Gandhi was anything other than what we know of him through his own works...

So tell us, what is Gandhi known for all over the world? His ``racist, casteist, misogynist, Hindu fascist`` behavior or his leading of the biggest non-violent freedom struggle in the history of mankind?

Hamidm,

Poor BJkumar, true to his name, is still trying to fluff up that racist, casteist, misogynist, Hindu fascist Gandhi the greatest FRAUD known to man, a Hindu exclusivist who believed that in order to be an Indian, a person had to be a true Hindu first... whatever that means. It is a very hard job and all the BJs in the world will not prove that Gandhi was anything other than what we know of him through his own works...

There is absolutely no mercy - nor there ever will be any - for those who indulge in underhanded sneaky tactics of covering up for pure evil that Gandhi the bigot was!

If HamidM is a jihadi then I am the Shankracharya (no not the one from Kanchi cos I hear he has a few problems these days).

And talking of the Congressman (to whom mian Hamidm2 CLAIMS he just sent money), it looks like he has suddenly realized what the other politicians have known for a while.

That Islamic terrorism is a BAD thing. Witness the following quote:

The horrific attacks of 9/11 awakened our nation and the American people to a mortal danger that threatens our way of life and our very existence. We need to be committed and resolved to protect the American people and our homeland; we have no higher duty.

#99 Shishapa

Perhaps mian Hamidm2 considers the honorable Congressman Eatallofus Towns (to whom he CLAIMS having sent a check) the American equivalent of Peer Syed Saheb, Ajmeri Baba, and Pandit Maharaj - combined into one!

Unless it is an actual case of Hamidm2 and his money having soon been parted!

(Or faarted - as the case may be.)

Re: # 96

May be it is time for Pakistanis to get help from Peer Syed Saheb and Ajmeri Baba to
snatch Kashmir from Hindus.
I mean everything seems to have failed so why not try them? They have helped millions.

#96 Hamidm2 sahib,

The Hamidm2 - Manto duo (or perhaps the Hamidm2, Manto, Sarwari threesome) keeps trying to (futilely) build up the vamp who is responsible for 99% of the troubles which beset the subcontinent today. As usual, inspite of their hardest efforts - the baby fails to fly out - it comes out an absolute dud every time - because it defies all known rules of common sense and gravity!

Rest assured that I have not the slightest intention of letting any of these offensive acts of cowardice escape without the well-merited punishment!

It will get its just desserts!

Roza or no Roza!

There is absolutely no mercy - nor there ever will be any - for those who indulge in underhanded sneaky tactics of covering up for pure evil.

Initialed MAJ!

My feelings on the Kashmiris have been detailed elsewhere.

Manto...first you called amhedis muslims...then your missus said something remotely unflattering about the paki army...looks like you`all are going to jail..

Military sacrosanct, says Durrani
Says criticism of armed forces not allowed; nationalists to be brought into mainstream

By Azfar-ul-Ashfaque

KARACHI: Minister for Information and Broadcasting Muhammad Ali Durrani on Sunday said the government would not allow any criticism on the armed forces of Pakistan, as the institutions responsible for the country’s defence are beyond any criticism.

In a threatening tone, the minister made it clear that the government would not tolerate any criticism on the solidarity of Pakistan and the institutions responsible for defending the country’s geographical boundaries. “According to the Constitution any criticism on the solidarity of Pakistan and its armed forces is not allowed,” he said while speaking at an Iftar-dinner hosted by him here.

Re: # 92

bj,

.....calm down !...... and don`t you dare insult mr jinnah - if i catch you i will have to spank you and send you to bed without any bhaji ! ..........

............ look, i don`t understand why you indians get so upset when someone mentions kashmir - it is not as if i am suggesting that the pak army should march into srinagar (i would, if i thought they were capable of pulling it off) ............ so take it easy - who knows, in forty fifty years when you are being chopped up for biryani by some muslim butcher in madras and i am chasing virgins in heaven, the people of india and pakistan might decide that kashmir is not really worth the trouble .......... till then we should at least try and be civil ...........

......... by the way, if somone kidnapped sadna and took her to sri lanka, would you help rescue her?........just curious ........

#93 Harimau

[sadly the Nagas are abandoning their headhunting ways and becoming Christians in droves]

My dear, a Christian is any day better than a headhunter - especially if you ask those heads - I mean especially if you had asked the those heads while they were still connected to the rest of their bodies!

In all seriousness - by and large, Christians make model citizens all over India. If anybody wishes to convert to Christianity from their headnunting religion, or from Hinduism or from whatever - there is no need to shed any tears, in my opinion - especially if you claim to believe what Hinduism is supposed to be about and believe that it is not merely a label!

Ref hamidm2 #91

[......... like the unification of taiwan with china, the unification of kashmir with pakistan is fait accompli and there is no need to get all uptight about it - it will happen when it will happen ..........]

As I read the words ``like the unification of taiwan with china, the unification of....``, a shiver ran down my spine. I thought you were predicting the nightmare scenario where 150-million raving lunatics in Pakistan and another 140 million Followers of the True Faith from Bangladesh would be joining the industrious code coolies as these breakaway nations re-unite with India!

I have a weak heart so be careful how you phrase your words.

Ref hamidm2 #86

[Re: # 83

arjun,

...... you don`t have to wait until 2011 to convert - according to the bbc you can do it now :...]

One can do pretty much what one pleases in India. If you look at the Northeast states of Nagaland, sadly the Nagas are abandoning their headhunting ways and becoming Christians in droves or flocks or whatever it is groups of sheep are called. In Arunachal Pradesh, etc., missionaries are active and in some of those places, the Christian population is the single largest plurality.

The news item you described was shown on TV by Indian news channels. Nobody called for a wheel-jam, a general strike, fatwas against Christians, stonings to death or any of those quaint things that happen on the other side of the border. The whole thing was rather tame and civilized though I found the business of total immersion baptism a bit strange; after all, it wasn`t the Ganges or the Narmada but an ordinary public fountain. Those who object to the Ganges or the Narmada might at least request Jordan (if you remember your history/legend/historical legend, Jesus was baptized in the River Jordan by San Juan Battista) but then travel arrangement might get too complex. I do expect that these new Christians, who renounced their Hindu religion to go to a casteless religion, will now turn up at the public trough asking for reservations on the basis that they are ``Dalit Christians`` and the Masanamuthus and Sudalaikkannus populating India (and Chowk) will support them.