Pervez Musharraf Vs. George Orwell

#8 Sadna

Perhaps the author and mian Manto each read a different page from the book and came up with differing conclusions?!!

#9
That is why I said that Ms Sarwari needs to talk to her husband. Hopefully in their discussion about their President Musharraf and his book, they will display some minimum honesty to each other and a wholly unconnected person like myself will not be dragged in dishonestly he did.

#8 and 10

Spoken like a true fascist haven`t you... I know you won`t dare disagree with that rabid brother of yours.... who foams at the mouth every time he hears the words Pakistan.... have you administered rabies vaccine to him?

However in our household... people are allowed to hold different opinions. Aisha and I disagree on the Musharraf book and I am certainly not going to impose my views on her like your brother forces his down your throat.

Addendum to #11

The word ``views`` in the last line between ``his`` and ``down your throat``.

#11
You are the one who gratuitously attacked me and abused Musharraf (and me) for his book and I am just quoting you. So there is no point in hitting out at me for what you yourself wrote. Take responsibility for your own actions instead of blaming an anonymous person like me for your own rabid behaviour.

Dear Sadna...

Lets go over the contents of 11 again... I am not distancing myself from these comments. I stand by them. Aisha has the right to have her opinion on the book....

I am merely questioning your claim that every South Asian male is like your brother a rabid fascist who forces his views down the throats of the women in his life.

#13
You can`t shift focus away from your own thread which you yourself posted to anyone else. The person forcing his view on women is you, who abuse unknown women on the web for a book Musharraf wrote. I call upon anyone to name any another man they know who does that.

Look Sadna.. I admit it. I posted it. I stand by it. I disagree with Aisha on Musharraf`s book... Please tell me what the crime in all of this is? Can`t a husband and a wife disagree on a dictator`s book?

Not every family has the same equation as you Guptas man..

#16
Typical misdirection - noone was questioning your wife`s freedom to disagree with you. The issue is your thread about me and Musharraf`s book. If Ms Sarwari`s husband is a weird person who was abusing a woman on the web for Musharraf`s book, that is her misfortune.

I recommend a rabies vaccine not for disagreeing with her but for your thread about me and Musharraf`s book. But as someone said, it is too late.

Dear Sadna...

There is no misdirection.

I stand by my comments on that thread.

Let me quote the ``abuse``...

is that I want to ask Sadna if she has ghost-written the book for the General... the similarity of the writing style is unmistakable. Even the typos are the same...

It displays the same control freakery, dishonest crookery, twisting of facts and materials, narrowminded focus and same lay man approach to government, constitution, politics that is the hallmark of Sadna.... Albeit ... unlike Sadna whose efforts are aimed at changing now accepted facts of history which have become all the more obvious in recent years... Musharraf`s effort seems to prop himself up in the mould of the greatest reformist dictator ....

A match made in heaven indeed.


There is no abuse... simply an apt description of General sahab`s book and your writing style.

#18
In contrast, your wife writes about Musharraf`s writing style:

`` I noticed that Pervez Musharraf steers clear from George Orwell’s most cautioned malaise – Lack of Clarity.

Musharraf has seemed to remedy with his clear, crisp and honest language the very nature of political language which Orwell says is “designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable.”

Musharraf labels rot as rot, and if his story is to be believed he never would be a dictator, nor does he support the interference of the military into politics, as he explains at length, for the right reasons too.``
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``Any learned American inspired by the Jeffersonian ethic will like this book, so will a solider, a republican or a democrat with a commitment to minority rights. Refreshingly though, the book isn’t written for the American, as much as it resonates with the nationalist Pakistani with the Jinnahist ethic – the secular democratic Pakistan that is successfully liberal because of its culturally Islamic background rather than despite it.``


That is why I said you and your wife need to talk, but feel free not to.

No other man except you or another fellow rabid Paki would attack an unknown woman from another country for the book written by a military dictator of your own country. Aisha Sarwari has my sympathies.

Sadna,

I am afraid I am still baffled as to why you think I have to agree with Aisha? Why can`t I disagree with her?

I am now sure that for your own good, you seriously need to deal with those issues that you have with your brother Mr. Arun Gupta! As for you being unknown... I met you and your brother... and my observations draw on that meeting as well.

Do you want me to enumerate.

As for rabidity... lets say we have seen abuse on this website much worse than my contention that your writing style matches that of Pakistan`s dictator.

#20

Many generations will have to pass before I find an Indian who abused a Paki woman interactor for a book written by an Indian leader. And while his wife published an article on this site praising the same book. You are unique even among the community of rabies afflicted Pakis here.

Dear Sadna,

Here is the problem... you haven`t produced a single word of abuse in the thread you`ve quoted.

is that I want to ask Sadna if she has ghost-written the book for the General... the similarity of the writing style is unmistakable. Even the typos are the same...

It displays the same control freakery, dishonest crookery, twisting of facts and materials, narrowminded focus and same lay man approach to government, constitution, politics that is the hallmark of Sadna.... Albeit ... unlike Sadna whose efforts are aimed at changing now accepted facts of history which have become all the more obvious in recent years... Musharraf`s effort seems to prop himself up in the mould of the greatest reformist dictator ....

A match made in heaven indeed.

Could you show me the abuse...

Meanwhile for all your tall claims about the scum of the earth known as the Indian male... we all know how easily the rickety legged male of your species resorts to abuses most vile simply because a woman dares disagree with her... BJkumar, Alephnull, MacGupta, Gujjubania, chaltahai, mohar11, friend and countless others are just a few specimens of this species.

In comparison calling your writing style similar to that of General Musharraf is hardly abuse!

that ``her`` should be ``him`` in third line of the second last paragraph.

#22
Given the criticality of the subject matter of Musharraf`s book(your nation`s sole and absolute leader, the direction he is irrevocably taking your nation, its institutions, its primary foreign relations, its center-provincial affairs, its civilian-military prerogative ), it is revealing that your focus was putting down an Indian poster who cannot change a single thing in your nation.

But you are blind and cannot be made to see and your self-centered stupidity cannot be changed, tho lage raho.