Pervez Musharraf Vs. George Orwell

Re: # 64

Good evening everybody. This paper is misused by some bad notorious people to make propaganda against good people and nation of pakistan. This responsibility of owner of this newspaper to no all ow any tV coming on here. When I opened it automatic propaganda machine started and I had to go watching tv broadcast from some nasty looking Indian man talking about not so good things happned here and magnifying it. The man looked smug and think he is shaved sikh shame (or just hybrid sikh/hindu) to his race and some nice looking white woman a christian he should be ashamed of propaganda. It went for almost 10 minutes including troublmaking lady from pakistan who is professional agitator, I do not to add more she is LAWYER, that tell being Lawyer is worst people than police beating.Police beat and go away lawyer is low caste people and just blood suckers . Any way that is not big news. Big news is ARJUN is again allowed to post all propaganda and not his rights curtailed. Some time back he was banned its needed again.
Any way I do not like people indulging in the president when he is getting more favourable things for our country. He has made MMsing look like stupid and all muslims over world is happy about his tour of USA, canada, england all nicwe countries. If you do not like him I challenge to propose who will be better. Answer is nobody. Not mantos or lawyer lady or any body can replace General. Its not easy to be president. He has put his life on line from time he allowed USA to care of afghan terrorists. Things are not easy and he is trying best. He has got F-16s now new JF-17 which produced by Pakistan and China together is his achievement. He most recognised muslim face after OBL in west and is work horse of moderate islam. He has taken too much crap from little people. He is moderate and modern has allowed his son to go usa and settle, he could have brought him in poitics and made P.Minister but he picked man to improve economy which has put pain on face of indian PM who is not even elected and a man at mercy of woman. General is selfmade man not made in and approved man from usa like all other. He is man of street and knows how to dael with politicians and had handicapped NS and BB. But Altaf has made him his dog, he is more afraid of Altafbhai than Americans. They are both brainy urdus (new sindhis) they respect each other. They both together have kept retards of punjab and sindh in check . He is only leader who tell and follows his words and world respects that. He told baloch terrorists and their problem makers to shut up and stop blasting national assets. They did not give attention and he took care with little missiles fired by F-16 and problem is over. This blasting entertainmaent of blowing pipeline have come to end. Soon Bib G will be working and 30 meter depth channel making going on and soon very large crude carriers will be coming to big G. Soon will be rotterdam, london, antwerp od asia and that little place will control oil prices as huge refinires and will be exporting finshed products from coming black liquid gold into high speed disel, jet fuel, petrol and naptha and tar for export. All locos from China shuntting at big G to load goods for Eurore and loading and unloading and sad RAW agents will be feeling very sorry.
If you do not like general find better or shut up, he is not perfect but he is better than all who critic him.
Any way stop arjun and do not allow tv clips as they are exremely damaging and give bad picture of social order and woman status. Managenent can help by not allowing any pic, images, or voice transmission and curtail propaganda once for all. Some body may not like General but for world he best maderate face of pakistani people.
Let year has 1000days and let general live and rule 1000 years. Ruling pakistan and improving is not easy job one has put life on line, its not job as PM of uk. Just tired of bashing by little people. Just somebody go usa does not mean they are smarter than General. His book is at best selling top list heard id good news as people of america will get real picture to understand his ``majburis`` od different situationa like recent understanding with traibals etc.
Insead of criticizing you pay 5% extra tax for Kashmir struggle , I am tired of people who want govt to do all but they do not come forward and pay extra to govt say for libreration of K.

#63

Abey Yasser kee dumm:

(I thought you were not talking to me. Such a liar!)

Much as you are dutibound to play your wife`s own ``knight``, this here is a crappy piece of “review” and you know it!

In fact the world at large knows it!

Take for example where she calls Mushy head of the state of a developing nation – you know that is not true! How can Pakistan be called a developing nation – it is fully matured and it is fully developed – to the best of its ability. In fact, if one is to go by the geographic size alone – it is not only no more maturing, it is past that phase since 1971 and entered the next phase - a SHRINKING nation!

And how can she even suggest for George Orwell would have read the Mushy memoir? Everyone knows that Orwell is dead! Dead men don’t read! They just lie dead - sometimes along with inanimate objects like mirrors!

And how can she call the Hudood laws “extra constitutional”? Isn’t Pakistan brimming full with hot-shot smartass lawyers who can jump up and challenge any “extra constitutional” laws in a jiffy? What happened – did all the Pakistani lawyers turn into jelly and butter – jelly in their spine and butter for the Mushy`s boots?

And how can she take exception to clarity? EVERYBODY, with the exception of lawyers, knows that clarity is a good thing! Actually, the lawyers know it too – but being lawyers, they deny it because it would mess up their livelihood.

And she forgets the most basic of facts – nobody in Pakistan gives a hoot about what ANYBODY, including her, says of the book. The public agencies are all going to buy it with public money – like it or not – getting their butts kicked in the latter case with khaki boots, and that khaki boot is all that matters in that land of the Pure!

And also your wife’s example of oxymoron is all messed up.

The real example of an oxymoron is a “secular” democratic Islamic Republic – called Pakistan! In practical terms, it means killing all non-Muslims so that Pakistani Muslims can be VERY secular with other Pakistani Muslims!

And one more thing. This one is just too incredible – I think chowkies will be shocked!

The wife of Yasser does not know how to spell Jinnah’s first name right! Yup, she mis-spelt Mohammed Ali Jinnah!

Make sure that for the next review she does of a book, she actually reads the book.

And the review needs to be about the BOOK, not about HER good old days as a university student in USA!

*Though most of the world knows George Orwell for his book, Animal Farm*

Nop. He was known for all time famous ``1984``.

*Kargil was a reaction to what he revealed to be an attempt by India *

Nop. It was fixed wrestling. It was a pretext of regime change in PK. You see this is how Hegelian Dialect works.

Problem: Kargil, produces a Hero defeated by EVIL industrialist
Reaction: What`s going on. PM`s a traitor. Needs a `patriot`.
Solution: Army`s intervention and take over.

:) he and his cabal is as much a patriot as Unocol`s Karzai is an Afghan.

He was needed to facilitate the invasion of Afghanistan. He took over somewhat exactly an yr before 911. Right man for the right job at the right time in a right place. Ideal. Isn`t it?

*Musharraf and his Clint Eastwood title*

LOL

Bj, bj, bj,

You fluff up every Indian from Gandhi to Sadna and yet they disappoint you again and again. You fluff, fluff, fluff all day and to no avail.

FYI I never said I wasn`t talking to you. This is not unplugged pai... all I said I was ignoring your abuse and personal attacks on unplugged ... which is why you are on my ignore list there. It doesn`t mean that I don`t have the right to take your sorry little behind to china town... Also the name Muhammad is spelt many ways. Mahomet, Mehmet, Mahomed (this is how Jinnah actually spelt his name) and Mohammed are all the same... a rose is a rose by any name.

Re: # 75

ballukhan,

......... i agree that executing terror attacks on the indian `mainland` is counter productive and as both the us and pakistan have found out, supporting jihadists is a bad idea - the blowback effect is unpredictable ............ but it is pakistan`s moral obligation to support the kashmiris in their struggle for freedom and musharraf`s backtracking on the issue is despicable ........... the man is famous for making decisions arbitrarily and then making a u-turn when things blow up in his face ......... it will be interesting to see how he handles bb and ns when they decide to call his bluff .......

Re: # 69

``is his misguided effort to `normalize` relations .``

Agreed.......................he tried to `normalize` the relationship of ``Pakistan-in-a-state-of-unending-war-with-India`` by pumping more resources into Jehadi infrastructure first with Kargil and then executing more terror attacks into Indian mainland.............. it is his perverse view of what `normal` relations with India means that gets exposed in his book...............

please do not feed the monkeys

....... my biggest beef with musharraf - other than the fact that there is everything wrong with a man in unifrom running the country - is his misguided effort to `normalize` relations with primates ..........

.......... remember when the indian cricket team accompanied by frau sadna`s male alter ego, vereesh mian, went to defile the land of the pure ?......... at that time i had said that nothing good would come out of letting in these ... these .... monkeys into the country (at that time the world had not discovered george allen) ........ monkeys are a nuisance - they are mean spirited, cunning and wicked, they crap all over the place, they eat some of their feces and hurl the remainder at passersby, they screech (specially the females) and are infested with fleas ..........

........ we created pakistan so that we could get away from the knife-in-armpit bania because we knew that we couldn`t trust him .......... then what was musharraf thinking ? ........... you throw a monkey a peanut and more than likely he will attack you, try to grab the whole bag and then gouge out your eyes ! ......... it is the nature of the beast ....... and if you don`t believe me, then just look at the picture of the man posted by bj - would you trust your niece with him ?


ylh zindabad !

Re: # 70

nasah,

macacas, langurs and capuchins might belong to the same gene pool, but in the wild you will never see them peacefully swinging from the same tree and sharing berries - it is the law of nature ......... the deep-rooted animosity of the macacas towards the langurs because of their inability to accept the fact that the langurs want their own berry tree, makes peaceful coexistence impossible in the forseeable future ....... and being the direct descendents of hanuman, the macacas have more experience with monkey business, which puts the langurs at a disadvantage ...........

..... maybe if the langurs stopped acting like capuchins dancing to the tune of various organ grinders, they might have a chance ............

``my biggest beef with musharraf - .....................- is his misguided effort to `normalize` relations with primates ..........``(hamidm)

what happened -- when this epiphany arrived....for the member of the same gene pool?

LOL

nasah ji, hamidm2 is so fine a contributor that he is entitled to spicing up the conversation. Even by his catchphrase ``horrible Hindoos`` he means no harm. :)

hamidm2 #various
I haven`t expressed any opinion on the book or Musharraf on this thread and have no interest in doing so. I posted what the author`s husband said connecting the book and its author to myself and I told her to have a word with him. When people write stuff about me, I have the right of reply because in case you didn`t notice, the Mughal sultanate is dead.

The root of all evils in any debate is 1. misdirection or deliberate misinterpretation of what another person says and 2. personalizing dissent. You are not setting a very good example to your juniors in both respects.

#75 by ballukhan on October 14, 2006 6:25pm PT

For pakis, normal relations means India hands over Kashmir to them and in return, they promise to be India`s friends...

thanks....but no thanks...

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manto and mrs manto can continue this circle-jerk of self-delusion all they want bu the facts don`t change.

The world associates India with IT and an ancient culture.
The world associated Pakistan with Islamic terrorism..

Sadna...

You say you are not interested in posting anything about Musharraf`s book, but you`ve been posting thread after thread about him for the past three weeks. Isn`t that ironic?

In any event, we still don`t understand why Aisha and I have to agree with each other on everything. In any event, it is clear that you didn`t even bother to read the article or your comprehension of simple English is rather lacking, which makes Aisha`s description of you in 29 all the more accurate.

The root of all evils in any debate is 1. misdirection or deliberate misinterpretation of what another person says and 2. personalizing dissent. You are not setting a very good example for the lesser maccacas in both respects.