Musharraf’s Coup - Seven Years Later

#218 by swarrier

[We are too similar though we pretend to be different.]

Yes, Hinduism and Islam are very similar. As are the Hindus of India and the Taliban of the NWFP, or Hindus and any of the Islamists of Pakiland.

Well said.

Re: # 218

Respected Swarrier,

On this I agree with you One Hundred Percent.

#216 by okhla99

[As you have astutely observed, other legal systems like Europe and USA shift jurisdiction to a specially enacted court to hoodwink world opinion. ]

Exactly! Like hundreds of rape, murder cases etc. being shifted on a routine basis. And all of this, to ``hoodwink world opinion`` about whether Mr. Jones of Kansas is guilty or Mr. Smith of Arizona.

You represent to me the prototypical Paki/Islamic mind - informed, intelligent, unbiased, secular and peace-loving. The world needs more of your type, not less.

My kudos to you, Mr. Okhla.

Dear Okhla
Repeating myself, what happened in Gujarat is not a proud moment for any Indian and there is no defence for those atrocities. Justice in India still has a long way to go. I am afraid many more regrettable incidents will occur before it matures. But it will.

We agree that both countries have problems. Some shared, some different. So why bother pointing fingers.
Or is it because ..... Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.

We are too similar though we pretend to be different.

Re: # 215

Respected Swarrier,

What abt questions raised by Times of India in #208. Are they also figment of imagination?

All I am saying is that both countries have a litany of problems and need to set their houses in order.

Re: # 214
As you have astutely observed, other legal systems like Europe and USA shift jurisdiction to a specially enacted court to hoodwink world opinion. Only selective cases (window dressing) are transferred and these special courts are wound up as soon as the desired verdict is obtained.

It happens only in India...

Re: # 213
Actually you haven`t raised any questions in your query. They all seem to be statements. Some true some false, some figments of imagination.
We`ll try to fix our problems in time. In the meantime set your own house in order.

#211 by okhla99


[WHY WAS THE RETRIAL SHIFTED TO MAHARASHTRA ????? Under some ``specially enacted`` provision of Indian Law ??? How can jurisdiction be changed like this ???]

I am impressed by your obvious legal training and your fine legal mind.

As you so astutely observed, it is impossible that any proper legal system (e.g. Pakistan`s) could allow for jurisdiction to be changed. It is only allowed in improper legal systems like in the USA, Europe etc. on a daily basis.

As far as the Best Bakery case is concerned, this is only a clever strategy in the underlying plot to rid the world of pedophile-philes.

Chowk is very wise to allow for smart, well-read and rational interactors like you post on their website.

My best wishes...

Re: # 212
All the questions I have raised in # 211 are concrete questions.

But I have strong doubts that you would be able to answer any of those....

#211

my reply was to counter a factual inaccuracy in you statement that ``no one was convicted in the best bakery case (other than zhira sheikh)``.

If you want to discuss the larger issues of the failure of the police/judiciary in Gujarat thats a seperate issue. If you have anything concrete to say, I will be happy to respond.

Respected Bongdongs,

WHY WAS THE RETRIAL SHIFTED TO MAHARASHTRA ????? Under some ``specially enacted`` provision of Indian Law ??? How can jurisdiction be changed like this ??? Is your legal system a joke ????

Just to ensure that some folks are fraudulently convicted. To give some kind of reply to the international outrage over the wholesale acquittals of Hindu rapists and murderers......

Why were all the other cases not shifted....?????

You blody foool , you just don`t understand... do you????

if you want all the details, rediff keeps an archive on all news related to the Gujarat riots:

http://in.rediff.com/news/godhra.html

For instance, read this (date April 12, 2004):

The Supreme Court on Monday quashed the acquittal of 21 accused in the Best Bakery case and ordered its re-investigation and re-trial.

The case will now be tried in a Maharashtra court.

see the dates

25th Feb 2005 for the article I posted and 12 July 2003 for the article you posted.

The re-trial was moved to Maharastra.

Respected Bongdongs,

As is characteristic of hypocrites all over the world, you have chosen to ignore all the other points in my post and have come out with a false and misleading assertion.

All were acquitted according to your own newspapers. Do not attempt to lie so brazenly.

Best Bakery is in Gujarat. The court has to be Ahmedabad, or Gujarat High Court or Supreme Court in Delhi.

And not just Best Bakery, in over 50 riot cases involving killing of Musslims, all accused were acquitted by Kangaroo courts of Indian Secular Republic.


Read the following cut & Paste from the Times of India.


Best Bakery Was 37th Riot Acquittal

By Leena Misra

Times News Network
12 July, 2003

AHMEDABAD: Imtiaz Khan (26) lost most of his family in the Gulbarg society massacre, where 42 persons, including Congress MP Ehsan Jafri, were killed by a mob after the Godhra incident.


After the Best Bakery verdict, he is afraid to answer his cell-phone.


His friend answers his calls, screens the caller thoroughly and only when assured it is not someone from the VHP or Bajrang Dal, does he hand over the phone to Khan. Such is the fear among the victims who have still to testify in cases which are yet to come up for trial.


What many do not know about the infamous Best Bakery case is that it was the 37th of the post-Godhra riot cases in Gujarat where the accused were acquitted after trials. The Bakery case just got famous because it was one of the five massacres picked by the NHRC to be probed by the CBI.


However, there have already been 36 riot cases where trials have been conducted and the accused were acquitted since the witnesses either did not turn up or they turned hostile.


When TNN finally got through to Imtiaz Khan, he was still wary, ``We have been asked not to speak to anyone, they could be from the VHP, who knows?`` he says. Only when assured, does he manage to say, ``We are all strong and will stand by our statements, none of us will retract our statements.``


But not all are hopeful. At least not the chairman of the Gulbarg Society — Yusuf Patel who moved to Gandhinagar on February 27 last year, a day before the massacre.


``Our people too have been threatened and this case too might go the Bakery way,`` he says.


The more striking among the acquittals is that of the Limbadiya chowk massacre, where some 34 persons were allegedly burnt alive in Panchmahals and where the prime accused was Kalu Maliwad who was acquitted just before the assembly elections.


Maliwad went on to represent the Lunawada constituency in Panchmahals as a BJP MLA and is said to have enthralled crowds during his election campaign with statements like, ``I went to jail for all of you.``


Maliwad was also the prime accused in the Kidiyad massacre of Panchmahals where some 73 persons were allegedly burnt alive on March 2 last year. ``Most of the trials were conducted in fast-track courts in the district where all the accused were acquitted,`` said a source.


In fact, most of the witnesses did not even dare to testify before the court and did not turn up at all in the Limbadiya case. And 90 per cent of the 23,000 arrested are out on bail, another reason for the victims to be scared.


Of the 4,252 cases that were filed between February and May 2002, 2,032 cases were disposed of by the police because there was no evidence to establish their culpability, while in 21 cases the complaints were found to be baseless.

#206

Because in India, Muslims were burnt alive in the Best Bakery and the only person to be convicted was Zahira Sheikh, the eye-witness.

okhla-ji,

I have responded to this before, but I see you continue to spread the same canard. Normally I would not respond again but in my experience this lie of yours will be picked up by other Pakistani`s here who deal in half-truths and we will see it reappear on several websites. So now if you could you acknowledge that you have read the article I am pasting below and not repeat this lie again, I would be greatfull:


http://www.hindu.com/2006/02/25/stories/2006022509660100.htm

``MUMBAI: A sessions court here on Friday convicted nine of the 17 accused facing retrial in the Best Bakery case in the special court at Mazgaon and sentenced them to life imprisonment. Eight persons were acquitted for lack of evidence.

Additional Sessions Judge Abhay Thipsay said the death penalty was not called for as no special part played by any accused was satisfactorily proved. The life sentence for the nine persons will run after a series of convictions under various sections of the Indian Penal Code.

Non-bailable warrants were issued against four accused persons, still at large.

Mr. Thipsay also directed issue of notices to Zahira Sheikh, her mother Sehrunissa, her brothers Nafitullah and Nasibullah and her sister, Sahira, asking them to show cause why they should not be prosecuted for giving false evidence. He said they deliberately gave false evidence and that harmed the image of activist and journalist Teesta Setalvad.``

Re: # 205

Why do some Indians refuse to see the truth, even though it is exploding in their own backyard everyday :


** Because the Indian Politicians are epitomes of truth & Honesty but are unfortunately routinely trapped in different scams (even asking money for questions in Assembly).

** Because the Brave Indian Army is not scared of Bangladesh/ Pakistan Armies.

** Because the honest & truthful Indian bureaucracy is not corrupt to the core and does not lose opportunity to make money even in purchase of Coffins for soldiers.

** Because in India, the enlightened popuilation does not believe in the caste system and Brahmins would gladly marry their children to Dalits.

** Because in India the truthful and honest Defence Minister Fernandes George can keep his Rakhail in his house to liaise with arms dealers and accept money on his behalf.

** Because India is a land of peace and harmony. The Hindu ULFA terrorists in the Eastern mountains or the Hindu Naxalite terrorists in Hyderabad or the Hindu Maoists in Bihar are actually Muslims in disguise all trained, armed and supported by the evil Pakistan.

** Because the great Indian middle class is passing on the right values of tolerance, intermarriage and peaceful coexistence to it`s young ones who are also as truthful as their parents.

** Because in India, Muslims were burnt alive in the Best Bakery and the only person to be convicted was Zahira Sheikh, the eye-witness.


.. the list is endless, my friends...