Musharraf’s Coup - Seven Years Later

Babaji is releasing gas!! He is full of gas.

It seems that these hindoosof India have nothing else to do, but be a Parsee fart, but these are smelley fart that we Parsees do when we eat parsee daal and have a soda afterwards.

Fut, fut, fut.

w.r.t. Behram baba #174
Baba ji is in pain. I must have touched a nerve.

Baba ji,
Cowasjee, Pasri poster boy in Pakistan, was jailed by Bhutto and had to write an apology for coming out of jail. Dawn`s ``letter to Editor`` section frequently has letters bashing him for daring to insult Islam. Another revelation for you Baba ji! He could have done that in India with no fear.

Ha Ha Ha Ha....joke of the jokes.....try this:

>>>...you are fit to discuss world event`s with an enlightened person like me.....?<<<

Thus spoke the II class citizen of an emasculated republic. Btw, was it a republic, in the first place?

Budhonjee Effonjee`s posts are the reflection of his ignorance. (Btw, ignorance is bliss).

By now, we are familiar as to why Indian Parsees are enlightened and Pakistanis Parsees are swines whose pastime is swimming in sewage.

This Effonjee doesn’t believe that India had millions of non-believers like me. (As per Ghanpatty, I call that god Gaand-paty).

Instead of claiming urslef as an enlightened person better keep swimming in Karachi sewage and flotsam.

This skunk`s knowledge is not even equal to that of a matriculate of Bombay.

Ha Ha Ha......

#182 thanks for reposting.

you write ``while at the same time you hate Palestinians for not supporting Pak stand on Kashmir. ``

Please read carefully what I wrote, and dont just imagine that I wrote things I never did. Where did I say I hate Palestinians?? What I said was that while too many pakistanis go ballistic on the palestine issues, the same emotions are not reciprocated. And it is not true that this is simply because zia killed palestinans - this was true in the 1950s and 1960s as well and remains true today. if arabs really reciprocated these strong emotions of the kind that you have for them, they would not let one historical incident (i.e. zia`s attack on palestinians) come in the way.

I am not sure why you use the term ``pernicious`` in response to my pointing to a historical fact that is easily overlooked. By any reasonable standard (numbers forced to flee their homes, numbers killed), muslims and hindus and sikhs all suffered far more than palestinians in 1947. ``Palestinian suffering`` - 60 years and two generations after it happened - is merely a political stunt being used by arab rulers to draw attention away from their obsolete monarchies/dictatorships. It is not a coincidence that virtually every arab ruler - gaddafi, the elder assad, mubarak - has a son being groomed to be the next king. A palestinian himself was once complaining about exactly this to me.

On the 2-nation theory - I pointed to the suffering of muslims (using my own family`s experience to provide an example) to illustrate why palestinians were not the only one`s who suffered in 1947. So, again, please dont imagine i wrote that i ``hate`` the 2-nation theory. Just stick to what I wrote, or ask my views if you are interested. But dont attribute to me views on issues I didnt say anything about.

#181 krishna: i have responded to your claim that you were not justifying the killing of innocents in #183.

and the rest of your post is macaca gibberish.

#181 krishna: you claim `` Killing of innocents is never justified. And I was not justifying it, of course. ``

so who were those people burnt alive in their own homes in gujerat?? criminals??

#163 by tahmed32

It was on the Hijacking/Islam board. I reproduce it below.

My purpose is merely to determine whether you`re flip/flopping unconsciously or something else? E.g now you say ``what I support is an end to the violence and accepting of the ground reality of the LoC.`` while at the same time you hate Palestinians for not supporting Pak stand on Kashmir. What stand is it which you want them to support Sir? Pak`s stand is not and neither has ever been acceptance of LOC.

#235 by zeemax #142 by tahmed32 re #zeemax 138

On ``These emotions are not reciprocated``: you write :

It is emotions that are not reciprocated that I was ... questioning ... how many times have arabs done the same on kashmir? not once.

True. It was also India that officially supported Palestine cause more than Pak did except of a brief period in the 70s. Also, it was Brigadier Zia of Pak, later the President General Zia, who had massacred 15,000 Palestinians in Jordan in 1965. Would they still support you over India?

you add: ``I dont like to generalize about any people - you find fine people and lowlife among all groups, arabs or israelis, pakistanis or indians, africans or europeans.``

But you constantly rant against `Arabs`, `Arbis` etc. . How`s that given the above?

you write re: ``It was an exchange of populations, and certainly not `expulsions``:

The palestinians did not have to go through any of the brutalities that muslims in India and Hindus and Sikhs in what became Pakistan had to go through. The did not have train-passengers slaughtered, women killing themselves to save themselves from dishonor, brother watching brother being surrounded by sikhs and going down fighting even as he was being slashed by swords (as was also the case for one of our relatives). So, please dont tell me that palestinians suffered more than Pakistanis or Indians in 1947.

This is an extremely pernicious remark. Do you really believe that? How? In fact they suffered much much more than your kin (and mine) as you have graphically detailed; and continue to do so while we don`t; so much so that they`ve taken to blowing themselves up just so that they can take at-least a single one of their tormentors with them.

you write: This brings me to the answer the palestinans I mentioned had: they said that in the subcontinent, we had our own country to go to while they have no country. To this extent this palestinian lady was right, of course. I did not pursue this point further with the palestinians...but ask you to think about the answer they gave and ponder the implications.

Now this really makes me think about your answer, not the Palestinians. On one hand you vehemently oppose the two-nation theory which resulted in the carnage upon your kin as better not having taken place, on the other hand you fault the Palestinians for not supporting your Kashmir cause against India which is precisely based on the same two-nation theory.

What gives? Do you support the TNT for Kashmir but not for Pakistan?

END QUOTE

Well?

#169 by tahmed32

[#164 Thanks for pointing out what I forgot - that there are even individuals like you on chowk who self-righteously justify the gujrat killings.

That merely puts you at best at the same level as those who burnt the Godhra train. ]

No, actually, it doesn`t. Killing of innocents is never justified. And I was not justifying it, of course.

The point in mentioning this is to disprove the point you are making about India. By trying to show that, if the situation had been reversed - if something like the burning alive of scores of muslim men, women, and children by Hindus had happened in Pakiland, a MUCH worse fate would have befallen the Hindus there. As proved by the hundreds of Hindus killed by mob violence in BD, Pakiland etc. after any kind of Hindu-Muslim confrontation in India.

So, being a Paki, you have no moral authority to make the statement.

But as an Islamist, it is your duty to do so.

Re: # 175
[....We shall remain and continue to taunt you....]

Yep - and so would mosquitoes, pests, and other undesirable creations....

admittedly, allah didn`t create a perfect world... :)... so the world will continue looking for anti-dotes... Inshallah, someday the world would be able to eliminate or neutralize the mosquitoes... :))

#171 by behram1

[All the ugly black and smelley hindoo termites are out in force once again. Some consider giving advice when none is required. What is with the stammering hindoo class of mumbai? They have massacred minorities, and continue to do so, ...]

Dear Moosla,

Maybe the horrible stinking garlic-breath Mooslas should consider using deodorants. Then there would be no need to massacre them. :)

[..and yet hindoos have the audacity to stand in front of humanity and show of their Ghanpatti, or is it that minkey that their pray towards.]

As long as they are not running after little boys to bugger, it should be okay. It turns out that Ghazals were invented in islamic Persia and became very popular in the Islamic world as a means to woo little boys.

Eeeeh! Disgusting!

Oh, and how does it feel to get yourself and all of your family and relatives in your banana republic butt-f@#$ed by that ugly Mohajir tin-pot dictator who is as Indian son-of the soil as his ancestors who were converted (by force, of course) muslims?

Like the feeling, eh? Don`t want any K-Y?

All right. Have it your way. And none of you guys forget to kiss his boots afterwards.

OKAY?

:)

Anil -

These are good questions. You will not get the same take if you speak to muslims worldwide. An Egyptian may have a different take from that of a Turk. A Pakistani response may vary from that of an Arab. Even among Pakistanis responses will vary. Same scenario may take place among Muslims from Egypt or Iran or Turkey or anywhere else. By saying that there is no standardized approach, the intent is not to further convolute the issue. Unfortunately, there is no formula where you can substitute values and get a definite answer applicable to 90 - 95% of the Muslims. Do all Buddhists evolve in the same way after following their core concepts? Do all have a meditative approach toward life?

[``Can a muslim discover himself or herself, and the inner logic without any strings of religious strings?``]

Yes and No. What may be discovery to you may not be discovery to the other person. That person may have discovered himself or herself in following their own religious rituals or lack thereof.

[``Is it possible to remain muslim when he or she does such examination, or runs the risk of being apostate?``]

I am not into any kind of extreme interpretations or implications of actions. I also do not like regulators or auditors who try to enforce emotional religious implications with dire consequences. I guess I am not the right person to see the issue the way you are viewing it. You may like to get a different perspective from someone else on board.

[There indeed are people, who just cannot do it. This is clearly visible from the postings of many Hindus and Parsi here. ]

I do not believe that you can form firm views based on some interactors` posts. Many of these interactors (men) write in the heat of the moment than use the rational and/or reasonable side of their brains. Their posts can be quite misleading. So, do not take those posts on their face value.

[This self discovery has allowed Christians, Jewish, Buddhists and some Hindus, Sikhs to see beyond and acquire greater perspectives and knowledge. These societies have either acquired or acquiring great knowledge to the benefit and develop technologies, to build or are building nation-states / economic regions (EU, ASEAN etc.).]

Conceptually, I do not agree with your interpretation of self discovery and the parameters you have in place to gauge that for all and sundry. That can be perceived arrogance and one dimensional approach. If things were that clearly stated and one-directional, then a responsible parent should not have any worries for his/her kids. The kids will follow the clearly chalked out path determined by the parents. In real life, that is not the case. As young minds evolve, they follow ``their`` bliss. They do not follow a direction set-up for them by their elders. This does not mean guidance and mentorship is useless. It just means that you have options in life and you pick(granted that God has given you the gift) what appeals and disregard what does not. I had posted an article from WSJ on one of the boards about an Egyptian woman. Read her article and see her process of self-discovery and way of improving the lives of others. Her criteria of self discovery was completely different from that of her parents. Did it mean that she was unsuccessful in her self discovery and approach? No. She just exercised what appealed to her (her born right) and moved on in life.

As usual a good article by Hoodbhoy.

Btw, what is this audio which runs an interview of Musharraf every time I click on the article anywhere?

If at all Muslims in Pakistan come after Parsees like Muslims did in Iran, guess
which country they will flee to (like their ancestors), India.
They would not flee to back to Iran, to Afghanistan, to Tajikistan, to Bangladesh,
to China, they would run to India. They would not feel safe anywhere else as they
would in India.

Respected interactors from India,

Please understand that you can trumpet Indian ``victories`` and ``accomplishments`` till kingdome come but that would not hide the following facts :

1. There are not enough toilets in India and millions have to squat by the railway trax.
2. The caste ridden Indian society (with insistence on marriage within caste) is as ``inbred`` as you accuse Muslims of being.
3. The blind hate that you(or most of you) have for Muslims and Pakistan has not lessened over the years.

4. Pakistan will not go away. Islam will not disappear. Pray to your gods. Curse us. Do yagnas. Do whatever. We shall remain and continue to taunt you.

Re: #165 by friend on October 16, 2006 10:28am PT

Dear Friend:

Coming from the slums of squatter land like mumbai you sure have the audacity to talk to a true Zoroastrian Persian. Do you forget how we treat you these days in the US? Have you not seen your hindoo eyes, with that ugly face, showing that crooked face, trying to socialize with Persians. Heck, even the Arabs hate your face and your mannerism.

Your India has has created totally ugly looking ducklings, and you don`t even know that? Why don`t you find out where were you raised first? Maybe somewhere you squatted and you had no indoor plumbing.

Then, you are fit to discuss world event`s with an enlightened person like me.

You ilk is so full of rubbish that honest citizens of the world should get together and demand India to justify what sort of food is being fed to its masses. We already know that India is full of AIDS victims. All that squatting on railroad tracks have done it to your masses.

You are a pathetic lot, and you don`t even know that.

Respectfully submitted,