Muslims ‘Unveiled’

If the Romans cannot be allowed to run in Roman shorts and Roman bikinis in Mecca -- the fairplay would demand -- that the Meccans have no right to demand Meccan veil in Rome.

In Rome DO as the Romans do -- and of course in Mecca DO as the Meccans do -- does it make sense -- yes of course it makes perfect sense -- but not to the Muslimas -- who are hell bent upon making a fool of themselvesfor for a Halloween costume -- trying to make a strawman out of Jack Straw.

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#115 by echoboom on October 16, 2006 4:30pm PT


and yhis means Musharraf the pimp.


Pimps and hookers get to pick their johns...Pimps and hookers don`t do business with johns just because johns threatened to bomb them to the stone age..

A muslimah writes on this issue...from her experiences as daughter of a Hindu father and a Christian mother...and herself a convert to Islam.

She has seen the other side so she knows what she is talking about.

Let us pay close attention for what she has to say...because she as a woman knows more than us...as Allama Iqbal says in the lines above.

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Your face or mine?

14-10-2006

Comment on Jack Straw`s comments on the niqab sent to The Muslim News:

Asalamualikum wa rahmatula wa barakatuh.

Dear Sister/Brother In Islam.

Please find below a letter that I wrote in response to the veil issue which has caused an immense amount of controversy over the last week or so.

About me.

I was born to a Welsh ‘Born Again’ Christian mother and an Indian Hindu father. I recently reverted to Islam whilst I was studying at Cardiff University. I would say my direct experience with the concept of modesty has been eventfull, liberating and refreshing and at some times amusing! Having directly experienced dressing minimalistically for most of my life and then when embracing Islam assuming a more modest attire, then wearing the hijab, jilbab and now the niqab, I would say I have more right, eperience, and expertise to comment on the subject than most.

Regarding the comment Mr Jack Straw made earlier this week, I have to admit that I do not blame him. For his knowledge and understanding has developed from a social upbringing which stems from a society where women are treated as commodities, where sexual slavery is still present and on the rise, disguised under the modern day marketing euphemisms, where womens’ bodies are bought and sold throughout the advertising world for a mere amount. A society where rape, sexual assault, and violence on women is commonplace, a society where the equality between men and women is an illusion, a society where a women’s power or influence is usually only related to her outer appearance, a society where plastic surgery is a booming industry because women are made to believe that their value is in their appearance, and their appearance, which I might add is for all to see and FONDLE!

........ Cotinued...................................

114:angaara

This was the complete sentence in #11

They will pimp their mother wife and daughter to take them to parties, clubs and white houses

Usually i do not respond to your posts, but it was necessary to discredit you promptly by nailing this on your forehead.

and yhis means Musharraf the pimp. No other people take their spouses to work. Even British & Germans have stopped such practice.

Your Manmohan ingh is the other pimp who did that; despite my admiration for all the other Indian premiers who had self respect...and never pimped.

Re: # 11

echoboom

//They will pimp their mother wife and daughter to take them.. //

so who did you pimp for your Canadian visa?....

this guy is hilarious as always.... is anyone even reading his trash?

re: Salim_Chauhan #109

``wouldn`t it make much more sense to educate our women, instruct them well in the art of self-defence, and even enable them to have weapons to protect themselves against all such harm``

Salim ji, these things can be done in addition to the hijab, and not necessarily instead of the hijab, as you are fallaciously asserting. To wear or not to wear it is a personal choice. Maulvis can`t enforce it and goras can`t ban it.

``Instead of requiring them to cower under a shroud, I say let`s liberate our women``

Salim ji, try your ``Robin Hood`` act in liberating the American public instead from the neo-con media and Jewish lobby. These are the oppressed folks who need liberating. Not the hijabans who just want to practise their religious beliefs and work outside the home at the same time.

#110, Atif2 aka MMA,
Is there no end to the depth of your addiction to homosexual topics? Did you ever realize that regardless of the topic, all you can do is bring homosexuality into the discussion. While I do not criticize your perverted lifestyle, I do find it annoying and boring that you infiltrate every topic with this single-minded one-trick pony of yours. Your persistence and shamelessness give a bad name to your kind - not all of whom are as desperate as you.

re#110:
Laws on public indecency are debated and enacted by legislatures comprised of electoral representatives that`s why.

Granted, the debate about veil is a useless debate and you can always count on Salim Chauhan to use the full force of his verbal power on all useless topics.

But I think the real issue is this: Why does the debate start and end on how women dress? Why should we not take it beyond women`s clothing and question the very concept of clothing? I understand that Salim puts on his pants because he needs to hide the bite marks on his butt from previous night`s sexathon with Shoresahib, but still, we are being hypocrite...and petty, when we question some articles of clothing and not the others.

All these anti-nudist laws that exist in much of the world regarding ``public indecency`` are frankly curbing on people`s liberties to dress however they like. But does anyone speak up for them? NOOOOOO!

His Excellency #106 {``The hijab is not designed to protect against hate crimes. ``}

Your Excellency,
My dear friend, wouldn`t it make much more sense to educate our women, instruct them well in the art of self-defence, and even enable them to have weapons to protect themselves against all such harm? Instead of requiring them to cower under a shroud, I say let`s liberate our women and empower them to be more self-reliant, more confident, and less of a target of those with evil on their minds - most of them want to insult Muslim men anyway. And they usually do that by raping and murdering Muslim women - it`s more fun for them and less risky for their own well-being and safety.

If you do not go to madressa; the madressa will come into your home: VIA YOUTUBE!
a great program! Watch it.

Bring on the Nails. The coffins for the Death of The Western Imperialism are being readied.

When the United Satans LEAVE ALL muslim AND non-muslim lands around the world EACH & EVERY issue would have already settled.

The goraa-folk are just like other folk like blacks brown yellow or red and MUST be taught to never ever to act uppity when talking to other people especially Muslims.

Let the dark ages again descend upon those who have always lived, as even today, under Islamic Illumination.

right...the veil protects against rape...that sort of logic worked out very well for mukhtaran mai..i mean, she did get a canadian visa and a million $$, didn`t she?

did bengali women wear veils in 71 and did it make a difference when thousands of them were raped by the paki army(with noone being prosecuted for it, I might add for prophet tahmed`s sake)...

re: Salim_Chauhan #81

``Pray tell how wearing the hijab protects these Muslim women from that horrible rape rate``

Salim ji, there is a reason why they don`t put burqa-clad women on cover pages of fashion mags. Regular people usually covet only what they see, and drunken rapists usually assault whom they covet.

``for those specializing in raping Muslim women, this advertisement may be a real boon``

Salim ji, this is a hate crime, not the typical rape. Perpetrators of these crimes are highly organized and smart enough to identify Muslims regardless of burqas or beards. In Gujrat (2002) and Bombay (1993) for example, Hindu fanatics didn`t just attack the burqa-wearing types. They attacked everybody in Muslim localities.

The hijab is not designed to protect against hate crimes. For that you need a Lashkar-e-Qahar that can blow up a hundred non-Muslims every time Muslims are attacked by a non-Muslim mob.

#101 Hamidumdum2 {``........ as mrs hamidm would say :`` why are muslim men so preoccupied with what their women look like - why don`t they do something about their own disgusting hooliya (appearance) ``
...... or as my thirteen year old would put it more succintly, `` why don`t the pot-bellied uncles with hair in their ears mind their own freeeeking business !`` ...........``}

Hamidum Sahib,
I tip my hat to your family. Obviously, you don`t feel compelled to hide your female assets unlike our paranoid Mullahs. Good for you, sir.

``#43 by Naqshbandi on October 16, 2006 6:16am PT
Zeemax, why bring in that metaphor about `bund maraona` ?-- and in Ramadan also! ``

HAHA, because I am more a Muslim than Zeemax is. Zeemax is a Pakistani, someone who was maybe born a Muslim, but dilutes it more by his acts than any non-Muslim would do.