Muslims ‘Unveiled’

Zeemax:

In my opinion sometimes it is good to make a point and a good one, mind you, and move on.
A person is humiliated more by leaving him twisting & dangling in the air than by ``debating`` ( i hate that) and ``seeing the person home`` [ghar tak pohnachaanaa].

Ghar tak pohnchaanaaN is only for issues which results in monetary or goodwill loss. If it doesn`t ``cost`` anything people don not care for ``facts``.

and CHOWK is rife with people who, most of them any way, have been educated for jobs & earning. Most of them are not from Madresaas or self-taught in Madressa-education. (incl. Hindu Christian madressas).

Urstruly bhai, it is not Muslims who are getting themselves into a debate; the point has come now where it is no longer possible for Muslim citizens of the West to be like ostriches with their heads in the sand. 9/11, 7/7, Iraq War, Afghanistan etc. have seen to that.

I think people living outside cannot really comment (just as Muslims living in the West cannot really comment on events happening in the Islamic world since, not being there, we don`t know about events and facts on the ground.) : the point is that the hosts are finally saying, `When in Rome, do as the Romans do`!

So far, I think the British (I can`t speak for other EU nations) have been quite civil and gentle about it; todays Britons are a generally liberal people and not racists but I think the pleasure which some of our brethren get in being deliberately in their face is forcing a re-think. So far, the demands have been quite reasonable if we look at them rationally and not emotionally. Especially since nothing they`ve said contradicts Islamic fundamentals.The problem with the extremist maulvis is that they preach an extremely narrow branch of Islam. Traditionalist maulvis (for example, Imam Hamza Yusuf, Shaykh Abd al Hakim Murad etc.) know that there is a whole lot of flexibility in Shariah, especially in lands where Muslims are a minority.

By fitting in more, Muslims will be more valued and cherished as members of the society.

#34 by iron_mask

Is Cyprus Asia or Europe? Ok never mind. What is Greece?

In this whole debate of Niqab and burqa, why men treat women as if the have rolled off of a cabbage truck. Did it even occur to someone that they might have a mind of their own; they might be able to make their own choices? Could it be that those women who cover themselves up do it only because of their unquestionable obedience to their Prophet (pbuh) and Allah?

Frankly, I would have taken in by this burqa thing had I not seen Western women reverting back to Islam in such great numbers with my own eyes. Only in our mosque the women revert back to Islam at least at the rate of one per week - most of them single white females in their 20s and hundered percent of them chose to wear a very conservative Muslim attire after they come back into the fold of Islam.

There is a beautiful tale mentioned in Shirazi`s book of tales where a Sufi is invited to a party in the Kings palace. A simple man as he was went to the party in his simple dress and guards do no let him enter into the palace because of his clothes. He comes back and dones a priceless suite given to him by someone as a gift and goes back to the party. The same guards show him utmost respect this time and offer him a seat next to the king. When the dinner starts, everybody in the party get startled to see that the Sufi instead of eating his food started pouring it onto his dress. The King in his utmost surprise asks him what he was doing. The Sufi replies that it was not me who was invited to the party, it were my clothes, so I think, they deserve to eat your food not me.


The point is that Muslims should not get themselves engaged in these useless debates on attire; they should spend more time to set themselves as examples and deliver the message of Islam to the rest of the world as this is the only purpose they exist in this universe.

Re: # 21
Masadi Says, and I quote,

>>>That said, nobody has a right to tell the other how they should dress in whatever society.<<<

in another discussion, I quote Masadi, as he replies to Behram:

>>>They should guard against logical fallacies in the arguments of dimwits like you whose only attachment to the West is the bikini clad blonde they happened to see which had a `case closed` effect on them- people who can think and have transitioned to the level of `human being` from `animal`,<<<<

What a joker.

But here’s what many in the west question. Why is it always someone without a hijab always coming to argue for the merits of Hijab? Where are all the chicks gone? Has the discussion of the merits of Hijab reduced to friggin Mullas only? I think Irshad Manji has more credence speaking about it than the brainwashed jokers like Masadi.

#32 humiliated? Me? Go ahead have your fun(T)

It still doesnot change much - Turkey is considered to be Asia Geographically - your saying otherwise will not change it.

Your calling for Eurasian landmass - is similar to the guys in boom boom chacha`s interacts.

#31 unfortunately the elephant has come to recognise this possibility, eventhoughit is an improbability.

#30 by iron_mask

Let`s agree on Eurasian, shall we? Unless you want to be humiliated.

#29 by pseudointellect

True. It only takes a single ant to travel up the elepahant`s snout to it`s brain, and kill it.

Asia

Uncle ji,
I think this veil issue is raised more as a security concern than attack on some religous or ethnic belief and traditions ( Dude just look under the hood or abaya what the pious lady is carrying, may be a couple of kilos of heroine or dynamite sticks for her Dark Justice type of ideology).I think sometimes people take too much liberty of the western values of freedom and tolerance.Why create this Us vs Them or ``we are different, you know`` type of divides.We are not here for your lousy dollars or pounds? we are here to revive the Caliphate after earning our two bits of bread and butter, and peace of mind .This veil issue would never have become such a hype if there weren`t these fanatic jihadi elements.

Once some fun loving ants were enjoying a sun bath in a pond.Suddenly an equally fun loving eliphant jumped in the pond and created a huge splash.Most of the ants ended up out of the pond riding the waves.Soon they gained their senses to look back what the heck happened.One of the brave ants somehow managed to get on top of the elephant via its tail.Seeing this act of bravado by their lone marauder the ants on the shore started whisteling and cheering and shouting ``Shabaash!!!!! Shabaash!!! Saalay ko dabo dabo k maar, for spoiling our fun``.

#24 by iron_mask

Hmmm .. I thought Turkey IS Europe. Wrong?

#24 by iron_mask

For the same reason the secularoons & the goray-kay-ghulaams are upset when kicked out of Commonwealth.

It is Secularoon army which really controls everything in Turkey which wants to be part of EU.

For muslims it does not matter.

Know ye not that be it Turki or Saudi, both slaves of the West? One is controlled through the army-secular constituition nexus and the other by the Monarchy-Wahabi nexus.

.... now I remember the speech from a Jamaican in the Hyde Park Speakers` Corner I heard once :

``You Englishmen! When you wake up in the morning, you have morning tea with tea leaves which come from Ceylon; you put in it sugar which comes from Jamaica; and you drink it in fine cups which are made from Indian Clay. And now you ask us to go home? Well .. I want to tell you ... we ARE home!.``

Come to think of it ... did the East India Company obtain any Visas to come to Mughal India?

interesting titibit I thought would be relevant here.

The brother of a friend of mine (Indian-American-Hindu) is marrying a British-Pakistani-Muslim. He refuses to convert and her family insists on a muslim nikah, so they went around London trying to find a liberal mullah who will conduct the ceremony with no success so far. The most common reason for refusal, is that the mullahs say that though they believe that such a ceremony is OK by them the threat to their life is too great! Also my friend says that they do not permit hindu`s to even enter mosque`s, so even if they find such a mullah and even if the groom converts, the grooms family will not be able to attend!

zeemax - why should the muslims from outside of europe want to join a european club?

Isnt the ummah there for this? Whats wrong in being a part of the great wahhabi empire?

OOops, i forgot those turds developed the art of back stabbing and fine tuned it - turkey(ootomans), iraq, iran, sudan etc.