Marriage in Hiding

Re: # 18

but i dont think so it is applicable everywhere now ....... lots of love marriages are happening in pakistan ....... cannt say about india but its happening in pakistan

though a good written but still i disagree ...... the person who wrote the article .... i don`t think so has done the close obversation or may be short of information ...... according to my information ........ gays and lesbians communities are in USA ..... i am only talking about USA .... not about euorope so be clear ....... what did i say .............
do mind to do your home work before you say like this .......... there are some communities growing in middle east as well as in sub continent .....
but the person who wrote the article i think forgot to consider dubai as the part of middle east or may be have never been there ..........
according to me the article was submission of different romours which he listened from here and there .........
and islam is very much clear about women choice regarding marriage and other things which come to women life ...... there is no doubt which islam has left ...... well regarding the islamic laws and in different islamic countries .............. you have to watch kuwait ..... egypt ..... turkey ......... and there are many islamic countries which can be quoted ..... and pakistan another islamic state which is turnning into secular state ........ embarassing for the true followers ....... anywayz come back to the point ......
for me that was totally a non-sense .... i am sorry

touchy ...

i think it is truly applicable in every muslim society.

earlier i use to think it mostly prevelent in indo/paki culture of parents forcing there choice in marrige but it seems like it happens everywhere ..

An interesting article about Hindu-Muslim marriages is this.

#14

Is she?? I am not very sure.

But anyway ,Hindu/Sikh doesnt make much difference particularly to Muslims..

Kulharee @4
``There is no such thing as an ‘illegitimate’ child,..`` you said.
You have made a profound statement of truth in above.
Our religious bigotry and punishment is visited on the child that is borne according to the fixed laws of nature and not on the couple that is alleged to have broken the societal/ religious laws of the community they are part of.
We must change this cultural cringe and remove the false stigma on the child for it to integrate in its society. It would be a paradigm shift. Well done.
Rashid

#13 by injun

.....Abu Salem--all have hindu wives.

Abu Salem`s wife, Monica Bedi is a Sikh, I think.

#10

[[Even if the spouse worships idols, so what? Who are others to determine the validity of the marriage? ]]

A Muslim will not go beyond the tenets of Koran. When marriage with an idolator is not allowed in Koran, it is out of question atleast for a common muslim.

#12

Muslim men have always been marrying Hindu women-Shahrukh Khan, Fardeen Khan, Aamir Khan, Omar Abdullah, Salman Rashdie, Mohd.Azzahruddin, Abu Salem--all have hindu wives.

The question is the other way round--Hindu men marrying muslim women. Why it is not allowed whereas Islam, per se, does not prohibit such a marriage.

I think Muslim men should marry Hindu women if they want a good wife. Where else are you going to find a woman who worships the phallus? ;)

# 10,

Even if the spouse worships idols, so what? Who are others to determine the validity of the marriage?

Mr.Shah,

Since you have raised this issue, can you comment on the following :-

The verse governing the marriage of a muslim man or a muslim woman to other-than-muslim is the following(letters in bold are mine) :-

The Cow

[2.221] And do not marry the idolatresses until they believe, and certainly a believing maid is better than an idolatress woman, even though she should please you; and do not give (believing women) in marriage to idolaters until they believe, and certainly a believing servant is better than an idolater, even though he should please you; these invite to the fire, and Allah invites to the garden and to forgiveness by His will, and makes clear His communications to men, that they may be mindful.

Surely, the emphasis here is on Idolators and not Unbelievers.

Now my point is that a Hindu cannot marry a muslim girl because he falls under the category of Idolator and therefore to marry a muslim girl he has to convert to Islam.

But the question here is whether a Hindu really an Idolator??

Pure Hinduism is silent on idolatory ,that is ,it is neither recommended nor prohibited. Hinduism is said to have acquired idolatory from other cultures and it has now been widely accepted because it is a simpler form of worship.

In its pure form, a Hindu has to make comunion with God through His rememberance through the word ``OM``. That is to say that in pure Hinduism, God does not even have a name let alone image or idol.

So a Hindu cannot be really termed as idolator, though he practices idolatory for simplicity. An individual Hindu can shun idolatory at any time.

Now my question :- Does that qualifies a Hindu to marry a muslim girl??

Interesting read.

Of course the things cannot change overnight, but serious discussions on debatable issues are always desirable.

Good job done.

Weird theme and equally weird article.

In future, Chowk should impose a policy on its writers to limit their content to 2 paragraphs. Let the interactors work on the rest of the theme, drift, options, and discourses under INTERACT Section.

On a super serious note: In this day and age, a female scientist has to look up to her parents to approve her marriage. How embarassing for the parents (for not raising an independent woman who could make her own decisions) and for the woman (for listening to her parents and letting them dictate her life - very silly! )!!!

``and let`s not forget that jesus himself was the illegimate son of god ............``(Hamidm)

man you are impossible.....:))))

Hmmm. You`ve raised some complicated issues here. You say that marriage is ``not as simple as it used to be``, and then you suggest that love marriage may be the solution to all these problems. I see a slight paradox here, since I don`t think that love marriages were any more popular in Islamic societies when marriages were simple and blissful. So, you may want to give some more thought to the causes of the issues that you`ve raised and discussed, and present deeper analyses of the potential solutions (if they exist)...

``Cheating couples would also not exist if everyone got to marry the person of their choice``.

And if we`re good boys and girls, Santa would bring lots and lots of toys for us, and we`ll all live happily ever after:)


``Today, in muslim countries - there are more sex crimes then anywhere else in the world. There is a whole gay community in every city``

Pardon my ignorance, but is it implied here that being gay is a ``sex crime``?

Re: # 2

urstruly,

......... if `legitimate` children grow up to be suiciders and homiciders or, god forbid, turn out to be like you or echoboom, where is the virtue ? .......... and let`s not forget that jesus himself was the illegimate son of god ............