Khalid Bhatti October 25, 2006
#13 Posted by Ranjit on October 26, 2006 5:37:31 am
Re:krbhatti#11
[..I do not know what do you mean by this racial remark....]
Rajputs and Pathans are traditional adversaries. Everyone knows that. Nothing racial in that statement.
Also, just like we have Sikhs in India, you have Pathans in Pakistan - a group of people who have a militaristic streak and a reputation for foolish behavior. :-) Now please dont tell me you have never enjoyed a Sardar joke, racial as it may be!!
[..I do not know what do you mean by this racial remark....]
Rajputs and Pathans are traditional adversaries. Everyone knows that. Nothing racial in that statement.
Also, just like we have Sikhs in India, you have Pathans in Pakistan - a group of people who have a militaristic streak and a reputation for foolish behavior. :-) Now please dont tell me you have never enjoyed a Sardar joke, racial as it may be!!
#12 Posted by Ranjit on October 26, 2006 5:31:04 am
[..I had met only one Rasheed, and I only know only one victim of his Jihadi Islam..]
Note that Rasheed did not put his own miserable neck on the line. Perhaps he is still recruiting from the comforts of his home.
I find it amazing that people with an iota of IQ fall for this crap. When I was young in Delhi, my interests were in getting into IIT, going to the US, making tons of money, partying and hopefully getting a girlfriend some day. Who the hell would want to waste their lives killing others or getting themselves killed, that too over something totaly absurd like religion? For me religion was nothing more than some occasional useless mumbo jumbo with a couple of festivals where I could ogle at the nicely dressed girls. I guess, this is the difference between India and Pakistan.
My Pak friends tell me that the upper classes in Pakistan are exactly like that as well. Its only the middle and lower class youngsters who are brainwashed into fighting over religion. I guess, it is natural selection at work!! There is too much population in our part of the world.
#11 Posted by krbhatti on October 26, 2006 4:00:35 am
#9
[Bhatti Sahib - I am surprised that a Rajput would trust and listen to a Pathan of all people.]
Pathans were and still are among my best friends. I do not know what do you mean by this racial remark. Further, I do not beleive in races. Is there anyone who is pathan or rajput or jatt by his own choice. One cannot and should not claim any special place by the family in which one is born, because he/she does not have a say in this. Or are there any people who have written letter to their parents that they may be allowed to be born in their family.
#10
[krbahtti sahib, if you are new here, you are truly a breath fo fresh air. The fear is that you too will soon end up ``hating the Indians`` ...]
Dear kaalchakra,
I am an egalitarian. Don`t worry, if time comes, I will hate everyone with same vigour without any favourtism.
[Bhatti Sahib - I am surprised that a Rajput would trust and listen to a Pathan of all people.]
Pathans were and still are among my best friends. I do not know what do you mean by this racial remark. Further, I do not beleive in races. Is there anyone who is pathan or rajput or jatt by his own choice. One cannot and should not claim any special place by the family in which one is born, because he/she does not have a say in this. Or are there any people who have written letter to their parents that they may be allowed to be born in their family.
#10
[krbahtti sahib, if you are new here, you are truly a breath fo fresh air. The fear is that you too will soon end up ``hating the Indians`` ...]
Dear kaalchakra,
I am an egalitarian. Don`t worry, if time comes, I will hate everyone with same vigour without any favourtism.
#10 Posted by KaalChakra on October 26, 2006 3:35:05 am
ijaz_gul, ballukhan
Well, the question is often asked how one can effectively defeat jihadism since it has such obvious and enormous strengths as a strategy of total and endless war against the enemy, and is almost costless to initiate, manage, and sustain. The trick is to proactively help it self-destruct and destroy its own infrastructure. That is, to turn Jihad on its head.
krbahtti sahib, if you are new here, you are truly a breath fo fresh air. The fear is that you too will soon end up ``hating the Indians`` more than ever and believing in the wisdom of sending young people to do jihad against them. Time spent on Chowk seems to have that effect. Either way, welcome and best wishes. :)
Well, the question is often asked how one can effectively defeat jihadism since it has such obvious and enormous strengths as a strategy of total and endless war against the enemy, and is almost costless to initiate, manage, and sustain. The trick is to proactively help it self-destruct and destroy its own infrastructure. That is, to turn Jihad on its head.
krbahtti sahib, if you are new here, you are truly a breath fo fresh air. The fear is that you too will soon end up ``hating the Indians`` more than ever and believing in the wisdom of sending young people to do jihad against them. Time spent on Chowk seems to have that effect. Either way, welcome and best wishes. :)
#9 Posted by JayJay on October 26, 2006 3:24:25 am
Bhatti Sahib - I am surprised that a Rajput would trust and listen to a Pathan of all people. Despite your potential folly, you were fortunate that Mata took pity on you, in time.
#8 Posted by ijaz_gul on October 26, 2006 2:42:13 am
I infer it was something that happened 13-15 years ago and by that account you are now in your late 20s or early thirtees. The happiness that lits up the face of your parents and her parentson the sight of your child is something snatched away by the Holy War Syndrome from so many: though its hardly a syndrome but more a trend that swept the youth of Pakistan in the 80s: when you were in D I Khan and where your Father was posted.
Your introduction has out of place spice: suffice to say you were growing up with your own ideas. Like all youngster, there was a rebel in you: if not for challenging but for exploring new things. Thank your stars that sickness led you away.
Many a family in Pakistan have lost young ones to this movement that has ended in nothingness. When the history of Pakistan and Kashmir is re written by nuetrals, this episode will appear a la Bay of Pigs. It was a useless, foolhardy and fruitless adventure pursued on the model of Afghan War, but by much lesser King Makers. It met the doom it deserved, but the aftershocks will continue to haunt world over.
The threat it poses is floating and transcends borders. The mood came from The Salafs and Wahabis and like an octopus, entangled the gutsy, idle, disillusioned and drifters. The end has yet to be seen.
Such contritions if not fabricated provide a good release of emotions about what happened.
Cheerios
Your introduction has out of place spice: suffice to say you were growing up with your own ideas. Like all youngster, there was a rebel in you: if not for challenging but for exploring new things. Thank your stars that sickness led you away.
Many a family in Pakistan have lost young ones to this movement that has ended in nothingness. When the history of Pakistan and Kashmir is re written by nuetrals, this episode will appear a la Bay of Pigs. It was a useless, foolhardy and fruitless adventure pursued on the model of Afghan War, but by much lesser King Makers. It met the doom it deserved, but the aftershocks will continue to haunt world over.
The threat it poses is floating and transcends borders. The mood came from The Salafs and Wahabis and like an octopus, entangled the gutsy, idle, disillusioned and drifters. The end has yet to be seen.
Such contritions if not fabricated provide a good release of emotions about what happened.
Cheerios
#7 Posted by krbhatti on October 26, 2006 1:37:22 am
#1
dear kulharee,
He is dead, and not coming back. I am still in touch with his younger brother.
#2
Thanks
#3
Yes you are right. Editing would have helped a lot. Actually i wrote it this for my own consumption. While exploring chowk`s contribution page (I am still relatively new on chowk), I could not help myself and submitted this one without going through this. Nowadays, for me the time between committing a folly and realizing it has been reduced to 25 minutes from many hours in the past, so i realized after 25 minutes what i have done, but as they say `teer kaman say nikal chuka thaa`.
But yes you are right. It could have been much better.
dear kulharee,
He is dead, and not coming back. I am still in touch with his younger brother.
#2
Thanks
#3
Yes you are right. Editing would have helped a lot. Actually i wrote it this for my own consumption. While exploring chowk`s contribution page (I am still relatively new on chowk), I could not help myself and submitted this one without going through this. Nowadays, for me the time between committing a folly and realizing it has been reduced to 25 minutes from many hours in the past, so i realized after 25 minutes what i have done, but as they say `teer kaman say nikal chuka thaa`.
But yes you are right. It could have been much better.
#6 Posted by ballukhan on October 26, 2006 12:29:27 am
``I had met only one Rasheed, and I only know only one victim of his Jihadi Islam. God knows how many other Waheeds have paid with there lives, and are still paying? ``
This nonsense was a creation of General Zia and his mullahs. An entire generation of Pakistanis have been damaged psychologically and now Pakistan is suffering because of their tolerance of the occupying Army Jernails....................
It is time they did something to undo the damage!!
This nonsense was a creation of General Zia and his mullahs. An entire generation of Pakistanis have been damaged psychologically and now Pakistan is suffering because of their tolerance of the occupying Army Jernails....................
It is time they did something to undo the damage!!
#5 Posted by krbhatti on October 25, 2006 3:40:57 pm
Re: # 4
Yes brother. They were all over my body. I spent next two weeks in chaddi banyan only. But thank God, no permenant marks were left.
Yes brother. They were all over my body. I spent next two weeks in chaddi banyan only. But thank God, no permenant marks were left.
#4 Posted by delhiwala on October 25, 2006 2:15:56 pm
Bhattisahib:
Good story.
Pardon my question; but did you get chickenpox on that hard part on your thighs also?
When I was in my tenth jamat I also got ChickenPox with all my cousins, and incidently that was after I ate Fried Fish from Jama Masjid area.
My Dhobi refused to take our clothes and I had to sleep in my room locked, as all our nauakrs ran off...I did scratch one pock and I still have a very small patch now hidden under my beard.....
Good story.
Pardon my question; but did you get chickenpox on that hard part on your thighs also?
When I was in my tenth jamat I also got ChickenPox with all my cousins, and incidently that was after I ate Fried Fish from Jama Masjid area.
My Dhobi refused to take our clothes and I had to sleep in my room locked, as all our nauakrs ran off...I did scratch one pock and I still have a very small patch now hidden under my beard.....
#3 Posted by DrDr on October 25, 2006 12:25:45 pm
Nice write up & easy flow of narrative. A bit of editing wud have helped.
U wudnt have gone anyway since u dont seem 2 have had the requisite passion.
U wudnt have gone anyway since u dont seem 2 have had the requisite passion.
#2 Posted by jang on October 25, 2006 10:51:36 am
bhattisahib, you seem to be an expert at missing the boat as well as planes.
god acts in mysterious ways, dont listen to kulharee..it was not your dad. but get your kid vaccinated against as many of these viruses anyways..its ironical that you came down with pox virus but were saved from the jihadi one.
god acts in mysterious ways, dont listen to kulharee..it was not your dad. but get your kid vaccinated against as many of these viruses anyways..its ironical that you came down with pox virus but were saved from the jihadi one.
#1 Posted by Kulharee on October 25, 2006 10:41:44 am
Dear Khalid,
Waheed is a pretty common name for Jihadis, may be your Waheed is still alive and fighting. Don’t give up hope.
What saved your ass was not chicken pox, but your Dad. The minute you told him your plans of going for Jihad, he watched every single move of yours (like any responsible parent will do) until that hard thing between your thighs became tamed, and you stopped thinking with it. Thank your parents. Congratulations and good luck with raising a child.
Waheed is a pretty common name for Jihadis, may be your Waheed is still alive and fighting. Don’t give up hope.
What saved your ass was not chicken pox, but your Dad. The minute you told him your plans of going for Jihad, he watched every single move of yours (like any responsible parent will do) until that hard thing between your thighs became tamed, and you stopped thinking with it. Thank your parents. Congratulations and good luck with raising a child.
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