Pakistan's Afghan Policy

#490 by discoverer

[Things The West & Pakistan should make India to do for sake of humanity.. ]

The West, eh?

I think Paki losers like you will like this article. :)

Check out this article in the prestigious Forbes.com magazine written by Caspar W. Weinberger - who was the Seccretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan.


India: on Every Business Agenda

Caspar W. Weinberger, Chairman, 02.13.06, 12:00 AM ET




Forbes Columnist and famed British historian Paul Johnson in September urged that we devote far more time and effort to ``forging close and durable links with India.`` While Europe will always be important to us, the road to our economic and strategic success in midcentury will run straight through India. Demographic trends show that by 2050 the GNP of the U.S. will be three times larger than that of Europe. Currently all large U.S. corporations have extensive business trips to Europe on their agendas, but in the future they will need to pay far more attention to building major business relationships with India.

Trade between the U.S. and India increased from $5.5 billion in 1990 to $18 billion in 2003, with the U.S. becoming India`s largest trading partner. Among India`s imports are petroleum, chemicals, fertilizers, industrial machinery and gemstones. Among its exports are chemicals, cotton textiles and clothing, cut diamonds and jewelry, iron ore and tea. It is also a large supplier of outsourcing manpower for U.S. and other foreign companies.

Economic growth in India`s southern and western states has exploded, but such growth has not occurred in the northern and eastern states. These states, therefore, have much higher poverty rates. India desperately needs more foreign investment. It must make better progress in controlling the spread of AIDS. And high on its agenda are stabilizing and improving relationships with China and Japan, both of which invaded India in the past. While relations between India and Pakistan remain tense, there has been improvement on that front.

With every indicator showing the importance of a strong U.S. relationship with India, the obvious question is: Why has it not always been the case? There were many years when India was thought of as an automatic enemy. Congress party governments under the leadership of the Gandhi family were largely Socialist and maintained close ties with Russia during the Cold War. Further exacerbating things was the tendency of U.S. foreign policy experts to demonstrate their liberality by consistently taking India`s side in any disagreements between us. After our victory in the Cold War, however, India`s ties to Russia became far less important.

In 1991, following Rajiv Gandhi`s assassination, P.V. Narasimha Rao became prime minister. Rao began a series of economic reforms, moving the country toward a free-enterprise system. He ended many government monopolies and encouraged foreign investment and corporate ownership. He also reduced taxes on imported goods. In 1996, however, the Congress party--which, with the exception of four years, had led India since independence--suffered a major defeat. Since then large and diverse political coalitions have been needed to win elections and keep the country politically stable.

In March 1998 a coalition led by the Bharatiya Janata party (BJP) came to power, and Atal Bihari Vajpayee became prime minister. In May India proceeded with nuclear weapons tests and declared itself capable of using and producing such weapons. Perversely, this provided an opportunity for strengthening relations between the U.S. and India. Pakistan soon followed with its own nuclear tests, and tensions between India and Pakistan have since gone through a series of escalations and easings.

Under the leadership of prime ministers Vajpayee and Manmohan Singh (Indian National Congress) the climate for business has continued to improve. India has many assets to recommend it to American and European businesses looking for a base in which to anchor their expansions into Asia. It has an educated, well-trained workforce, a generally strong infrastructure and good communications and informational networks. Because of its years under British rule, it has a long tradition of familiarity with English and of upholding the rule of law. As mentioned, India also has substantial outsourcing experience. It has joined China in becoming a magnet for economic growth.

The Open Skies aviation agreement of 2005 opened up many direct flights between cities in the U.S. and India, facilitating trade and travel between our two countries. Political relations have strengthened along with our business ties. The U.S. and India now enjoy a stronger security relationship and engage in regular joint military exercises.

India is a natural partner for the U.S. in this volatile part of the world. Its economic progress still requires nurturing. We must manage this relationship carefully and well, keeping in mind that any renewal of hostilities among India, Pakistan and China would be disastrous for India`s future--and, indeed, that of the world.

#490 by discoverer

Forget about India.

Just tell me this - why would you follow a pedophile?

here we go again...

another article from an ecentric fool.....

Things The West & Pakistan should make India to do for sake of humanity..
-India should stop helping tamil tiger for terrorising Sri Lanka.

-India should stop rascial movement like Shiv Sena, BJP for carring out neo-nazi movement

-India should stop drug, Porno smuggling from india, expecially from south india

-More recently some of the attacks carried out in Pakistan are not from TALIBAN or Al Qaeda it was from indian intelligence agency R.A.W.

- India should stop fighting with sikh and should give them there Khalistan for they suffer a lot in Amritsar Massacar, same goes with Nagaland(east of india).

-Personally I feel Indian population is making petrol and Food prices go high coz Indians are enjoying humping each other eery day and the result is an extremely high populated country. India should start a door to door condom campaign

Well there are lots of thing going on in india and i have name a few.
India should start focusing there problem and trust me Aparna your article will have a different look.

KrishnaABCD,

As I pointed out to Dullah Bhatti - his assertion that I have quoted Pakistani literacy rates coming from the government as fact is false because to date I have not quoted any official literacy figures ... infact I merely pointed out the inherent contradictions in Sadna`s extrapolation from the data she quoted. As a disclaimer I had made it clear that I hold neither Pakistani nor Indian ``census`` figures to be accurate or scientifically unimpeachable. It must also be remembered that my calculations below are based on the same official figures ... except I still don`t lend them any credence because I just don`t trust the government... any government.

That you despite your babbling have been unable to answer the points I raised is enough for me to assume that you really don`t have any answer.

Re: # 483

Pray tell oh genius how that is a counterargument.

Tharparkar is a part of Sindh and is still predominantly Hindu. Chittagong is part of Bangladesh and Bangladesh still has 10-15% Hindu population.

Aql kay nakhun lo.

Re: # 484

Dullah Bhatti,

Could you point out where I`ve put up Pakistani literacy rate figures as accurate? I`ve pointed out that the mechanism is inaccurate and at times, Pakistanis have been surprised by their own miscalculations.

#484 by dullabhatti

[I don`t understand why you always disagree with Pak census numbers on minoritie but accept the literacy numbers coming from pak gov as 100% accurate. is their a reason for this? ]

Yes. After defending Muhammad and Jinnah for a while, the boundaried between reality and Paki-reality begin to fade.

#477 by Mantolives

[Once again fudged figures are not going to prove anything. What you`ve said below as usual doesn`t prove anything. ]

Yes. Of course. None of the references I cite are trustworthy. They have all fudged the numbers. But the facts and figures you pull out of your rear end are all credible.

Next you will be claiming that Ahmadiyyas are Muslims, and thus will avoid being deep fried in hell. I think the chances of that are as remote as you ever getting within arms reach of a ``untouched like pearls`` ghilman.

:)

Manto,
I understand what you are saying. I don`t see anything major that I disagree in your post below. My position is & has been always that there was almost total cleansing of Muslims from Indian Punjab(boundaries of today) bar few places. Thats what is evident from my posts. #s I quoted are only good in comparison with hindus and sikhs from Pak Punjab otherwise they are insignificant.
That to me is clear as day light. it does not need any further discussion.

point of my anecdotal narration is not that cleansing did not happen but whatever small population of muslims left behind(in these pockets) lives like any other citizen doing whatever normal people do. There are 3 or 4 muslim Govt holidays in Indian Punjab(and been since ever). there are muslims in universities, politics, civil adminstration etc. that is not what we hear about Sikhs and Hindus in Pak Punjab. Sindh is a different place.

but just to say few words just for the sake of it, I will say take into consideration the following while comparing the situation in two Punjabs:

1. Very few muslims in Gurdaspur distt. other than in Qadian(who are all Ahmadis). marginal majority of Muslims in gurdaspur was comparable to many areas in Pakistan which had large Hindu populations e.g. Lahore city muslims where majority but Hindu/sikhs formed 40% or more(don`t remembe exactly now but Freedom at midnight mentioned it was 5 lakh hindu/sikhs and 6 lakh muslims or something like that.)
2. Majority of the muslims in East Punjab are in Ludhiana, Malerkotla areas
3. Indian Punjab today is only 1/3 or so of the Indian Punjab of 1947. One can argue most of Indian Punjab is really sarhaddi Punjab(of today) where border was close enough to force muslims out relatively easily.(that explains what happened in Gurdapur, ferozepur, Sialkot and Lahore)
4. Other parts of 1947 Indian Punjab like Haryana and Himachal have 6% and 2% muslim population respectively.
5. Total population of Pak Punjab is some 80 million. while Indian Punjab is only 25million or less. so 117K/80million v/s 380K/25million. .14% v/s 1.6%. both are insignificant in my view considering that there were many towns and villages on each side with their majorities or large minorities (Gurdaspur was one)

I don`t understand why you always disagree with Pak census numbers on minoritie but accept the literacy numbers coming from pak gov as 100% accurate. is their a reason for this? is it the way both numbers are collected, probably differntly?


khair, the way I remember reading the numbers were like this...approx 6 million hindu/sikh and 6 million muslim population was transfered during partition. is that correct in overall numbers? I think whatever that number is, is more representative than anything else we quoted so for.

Tharparkar with 70% Hindu population and Chittagong Hill tracts with 97% Hindu population went to Pakistan.

#479 by zeemax on November 3, 2006 4:14am PT


The head of the united nations knows the collective understanding of international law of the member nations


Umm...no he doesn`t...that would be like saying the AG knows the law and if he says it`s legal, it`s legal...

Re: # 479 Zeemax
Now you have become completely incoherent. Ignoring you from here on. CIAO

Re: # 477

fallen... not fell.

#476 by PewResearch

Your argument lies in ruins. The head of the united nations knows the collective understanding of international law of the member nations ... may it be general assembly or the security council, which laws are in any case clear enough to require any disputed interpretations.

USA makes its own international laws, and twists laws to conform to what it wants to do. Recent example is the US`s definition of torture which is basically everything is ok as long as you do not damage any vital organs of the victim ....

PS: Given that Punjab`s non-Muslim districts were prized away .... Pakistan`s total Hindu population ... 3.5 - 4 million forms almost atleast 2% of the population of Pakistan over all...
However in Sindh ... where most of those 3.5 million-4 million people live.... the percentage is almost 10-15%. The total population of Sindh is 30,439,893.

An accurate comparison mind you - given the history of Punjab in 1947- can only be either Pakistani Punjab and Indian Punjab... or population of Pakistan minus Punjab and population of India minus Punjab...

The Punjab comparison may favor India (but as I showed earlier is only so because India inherited a Muslim majority district it shouldn`t have) .... but the second analysis Rest of Pakistan v. Rest of India... is only marginally better.

Re: # 470

KrishnaABCD,

Once again fudged figures are not going to prove anything. What you`ve said below as usual doesn`t prove anything.


Dullah Bhatti,

According to Pakistani census of 1998... the total number of Hindus in Pakistani Punjab are 116 700 ... a number which is a gross understatement in my opinion.

If you recall Gurdaspur areas... including Qadian... were Muslim majority districts that were pried away from Pakistan even though it should have fell in Pakistan. .... that today you only have 386000 Muslims ... despite having a Muslim majority district ... just goes to prove the point you and I were making.