Pakistan's Afghan Policy

Kaalcakra:391

yaar you should never ever worry about anything. You & your job will always be there. You will always adjust and compromise.

aur humeisha kee tarah ussi takhwah pur kaam krnay pur raazi ho jao gey.

Zee

As argued earlier, one doesn`t NEED to bring in concepts like ``Islam`s prestige`` or ``justice`` to explain and predict behavior.

Let`s take another example, somewhat related, somewhat unrelated - the case of Dawood Ibrahim.

We can make the same kind of arguments - honor, justice, God`s work, proof, etc. Or, one can very safely explain why Dawood simply cannot be and will not be handed over to India for very `ungodly` reasons.

Methinks that human politics and ideology are enough to explain a lot.

....contd.... #393

Read the following sentence:

When that too was denied he just stood his ground and fought.

AS:

When that too was denied he just abandoned power, lost thousands of his men, went into hiding and regrouped for 5 years, stood his ground and fought. But didn`t give up Usama.

Does that say something about a person?

#389 by kaalchakra

..The real surprise, IMHO, would have been had some God`s people (1) betrayed Bin Laden and (2) lived among other God`s people to enjoy their financial rewards?...

Again going back to #323,

This is not an issue of Osama bin Laden. It is an issue of Islam. Islam`s prestige is at stake.

I think he made it clear. Actually all he had asked before this interview was first conclusive proof of involvement in 9/11, and when that was denied, it was to hand over Usama to an independent court of justice and not to USA. I think the Hague was mentioned. Was that unjust? When that too was denied he just stood his ground and fought. And here we are now. Where`s justice? And whose justice? I think Mullah Omar has been more just to Usama than anyone else, and believe me he nor any Arab or Muslim will ever forget that.

Sadna:390

Please distinguish & discern between the Paki lap-dog govt ( LaanUt-bur-musharraf) who is working hand in hand with the US thuggs, like some Indian ``leaders`` of yore.

We are talking about the Pakistani people who HATE American Britsh etc presence in Afghanistan and Iraq. They also HATE karzai. They LOVE all mullahs, all Talibaans & anyone & everyone who the White-Hanumaans call ``terrorist``.

Tomorrow if the White-Baboons do interfere anywhere, even in India, the
White-baboon-haters would still be doing their duty....and believe me there is no shortage of Baboon-haters among millions upon millions of non-muslims like hindus, sikhs, jews, christians etc etc.

The world is not really such a bad place and is chugging along nicely despite the Satanic creeds.....and that is one promise Allah has made mankind.

Boom dada

Islam is a powerful force but whether it is a force for the good or evil is not clear. Also, just because it won in the past does not necessarily mean that it will do so in the future.

In general, one can agree that the world as it had been structured until recently was not strong enough to deal with Islam. But the rest of the world is changing too. And small changes can have signficant impact. The dynamics of Islam`s war with others can change. So at best #388 can be taken as a rallying cry :)

echoboom #384
The point is not about the loyalties of the soldiers, the point is about fighting abilities. In the Afghan Wars of the nineteenth century, the Afghans defeated an Army consisting predominantly of Punjabi Muslim soldiers, so it is difficult to see those wars as a matter of boasting for present-day Pakistanis.

Zee

Why would that shake us? Assuming that God did make such a promise to Mullah Omar, He did not protect too many who started a journey on His path.

Bin Laden has been safe because he has wide support among God`s people living in the region. The real surprise, IMHO, would have been had some God`s people (1) betrayed Bin Laden and (2) lived among other God`s people to enjoy their financial rewards?

It seems one can, to a significant extent, explain (even predict) many of these things using pretty simple, and quite ungodly, concepts. :)

Zeemax:387

``Jis dhaj sey koi maqtal mein gaya voh shaan salaamat rehti hai
Yeh jaan toa aani jaani hai, iss jaaN kee toa koi baat naheeN``

THe whole world knows USA is zilch. It is not Aghanistan but the USA, & the WEST, itself which is digging its own grave.

Jo bhhee zaalim hai voh Ubb khair mUnaaey Upnee
Haath mazloom kaa shamsheer tzUk aa pohnchaa hai

Like the Mongols they have no choice but to accept the creed. Islam has always decanted itself into an existing cup (infrastructure) like Rome, Iran , Spain or India..It is not in the business to reinvent the wheel. The soldires returning from the Gulf, Afghanistan, and Iraq have converted by the thousands. The other day I met an Officer (not nco) refusing to return to Afghanistan...and has joined the anti-war movement.

The West`s fifteen-minutes of ``fortune`` would not last too long--INshaAllah!

#385 by echoboom

Yes Echo ... but one thing he said really shook me ... the following:

One is the promise of God, the other is that of Bush. The promise of God is that my land is vast. If you start a journey on God`s path, you can reside anywhere on this earth and will be protected... The promise of Bush is that there is no place on earth where you can hide that I cannot find you. We will see which one of these two promises is fulfilled.

This turned out to be true. Comments?

#383 by sadna / #384 by echoboom

And Ashfaqullah Khan ... of the Kakori train.

Zeemax:382

He HAS only echoed what I posted there Zeemax.

sadna:383
bUddi-bee

I also send three laanuts each day for the muslim sikh hindu & other motley farangi-lapdogs who worked hand in hand with the Britto-hnumaans to supreess, kill or maim, their own kith and kin in the cage of the plucked golden-goose.

To me they were all BRITISH.

Maybe to you Mangal Paandey, Irfan-ullah maulaana mehmoodulhasan, bhagt singh, subhash chandra Bose( disguised as MAULVI zia-uddin) Shahnavaz, Kiani, and thousands upon thousands are not heroes....

but to me they all are.

echoboom
You keep crowing about the Afghan defeat of the British in the Afghan Wars of the 19th century. Do you know a majority of the soldiers on the defeated British side were Punjabi Muslims?

Prelude to Partition, David Page, OUP 1982
``The Muslims of West Punjab had played an important role in the annexation of the province, and both the Muslims and Sikhs provided the forces which enabled the government to put down the Mutiny of 1857. In the aftermath of the Mutiny, therefore, the Punjab became the main recruiting area for the Indian Army, and acquired a reputation as the `Sword Arm of India`. The extent to which the government relied on Punjabi soldiers could be demonstrated in the later nineteenth century by reference to the part they played in the Afghan Wars. At that time fear of Russian expansion was the guiding principle of Indian military strategy and the location of the Punjab astride the route from Central Asia made a strong Punjab essential for India`s defence..``

#378 by echoboom

Thanks Echo, but could you kindly comment on the specific and highlighted portions of Mullah Omar`s interview ... such as the faith he expressed.

Re: # 380 by kaalchakra

That is exactly right.

The world needs to wake up and realize that we are not talking about just a few rotten apples in the barrel here.

The world needs to dispose of the WHOLE BARREL. There is no other way.