Pakistan's Afghan Policy
Aparna Pande October 24, 2006
#345 Posted by mohar11 on October 28, 2006 6:01:34 am
Re: # 342
Taliban is gaining ground over pakiland and afganland... and you say history is self ``correcting``?... hmmm... interesting... so how does that help paki moderation and modernisation, secularism, democracy etc?...
Taliban is gaining ground over pakiland and afganland... and you say history is self ``correcting``?... hmmm... interesting... so how does that help paki moderation and modernisation, secularism, democracy etc?...
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#349 Posted by mohar11 on October 28, 2006 6:20:15 am
Re: # 345
I would think that the return of taliban would be considered a red flag, a huge setback for people of pakiland and their future... I would expect pakis out on the street protesting it... The elites, liberals and people who claim to work for moderation, secularism, democracy would be screaming blue murder...
But instead what we hear is cheers and celebration ..... in fact, this extremely regressive situation is being celebrated as ``self-correction``... return of taliban is a ``correction``.... Hamid Karzai`s predicament is actually a ``correction`` of past mistake of ousting the taliban...
Un-f888ing-believable...
I would think that the return of taliban would be considered a red flag, a huge setback for people of pakiland and their future... I would expect pakis out on the street protesting it... The elites, liberals and people who claim to work for moderation, secularism, democracy would be screaming blue murder...
But instead what we hear is cheers and celebration ..... in fact, this extremely regressive situation is being celebrated as ``self-correction``... return of taliban is a ``correction``.... Hamid Karzai`s predicament is actually a ``correction`` of past mistake of ousting the taliban...
Un-f888ing-believable...
#341 Posted by zeemax on October 28, 2006 5:30:01 am
contd...#337 by zeemax ....
Pak just cannot have enemies on ALL three borders. 2 out of three friendly borders will do. It was the same Afghanistan which had refused to recognise Pak and had fought tooth & nail against it`s UN membership under Soviet influence. When we had the same Afghanistan on our side, we let it go to the other side. Pls note what Mulla Umar said back in 2001(#323)
``So America can hit us again, and this time we don`t even have a friend.``
Pak just cannot have enemies on ALL three borders. 2 out of three friendly borders will do. It was the same Afghanistan which had refused to recognise Pak and had fought tooth & nail against it`s UN membership under Soviet influence. When we had the same Afghanistan on our side, we let it go to the other side. Pls note what Mulla Umar said back in 2001(#323)
``So America can hit us again, and this time we don`t even have a friend.``
#346 Posted by mohar11 on October 28, 2006 6:02:52 am
Re: # 341
So basically, it`s back to ``strategic depth``... didn`t work the first time, how can it work this time?
So basically, it`s back to ``strategic depth``... didn`t work the first time, how can it work this time?
#339 Posted by MantoLives on October 28, 2006 5:07:30 am
The GANDHIAN way
BJkumar/Sadna/Amansandhu/Alephnull/Gujjubania/VRV/Harish-hyd (take your pick), you want the perfect Indian utopia. Never argue on facts. Instead resort to inanities and abuses.. you must denounce the other party a nautanki, a son of a bitch, a Paki gaandu or feel free to abuse mother/sister/wife/daughter, end of argument, baat khatam. if the point is refutable, typically through some fudged statistics and squealing to cover up the multitude of India-shining`s flaws, shout and thump your chest and flood the boards with repetitive posts, and get all hand-clappers and jee huzooris ...
BJkumar/Sadna/Amansandhu/Alephnull/Gujjubania/VRV/Harish-hyd (take your pick), you want the perfect Indian utopia. Never argue on facts. Instead resort to inanities and abuses.. you must denounce the other party a nautanki, a son of a bitch, a Paki gaandu or feel free to abuse mother/sister/wife/daughter, end of argument, baat khatam. if the point is refutable, typically through some fudged statistics and squealing to cover up the multitude of India-shining`s flaws, shout and thump your chest and flood the boards with repetitive posts, and get all hand-clappers and jee huzooris ...
#338 Posted by zeemax on October 28, 2006 4:51:05 am
#330 by bjkumar
Wow ... all this hyperlinking would have required some doing ... but still not convincing ...
Wow ... all this hyperlinking would have required some doing ... but still not convincing ...
#337 Posted by zeemax on October 28, 2006 4:49:47 am
#331/332 by mohar11
No .. no .. Mohar you`re confusing stuff here. When you say ``talibanization supposed to have hurt pakiland badly - or so we have been hearing from pakis for last 5 years... ``, you`re not distinguishing between the Afghan Jihad and Taliban. It was the CIA Jihad which hurt Pak badly in kalashnikov culture, heroin, refugees etc .. and not Taliban who only emerged in 1994 and were NOT a part of the Jihad against Soviets. Taliban are a perfect ally for Pak and it is only Pak who can deal with them on an equal basis ... noone else. This still holds true. Taliban never hurt Pak`s interests in any way.
No .. no .. Mohar you`re confusing stuff here. When you say ``talibanization supposed to have hurt pakiland badly - or so we have been hearing from pakis for last 5 years... ``, you`re not distinguishing between the Afghan Jihad and Taliban. It was the CIA Jihad which hurt Pak badly in kalashnikov culture, heroin, refugees etc .. and not Taliban who only emerged in 1994 and were NOT a part of the Jihad against Soviets. Taliban are a perfect ally for Pak and it is only Pak who can deal with them on an equal basis ... noone else. This still holds true. Taliban never hurt Pak`s interests in any way.
#344 Posted by mohar11 on October 28, 2006 5:58:22 am
Re: # 337
Let me get this: Taliban and their ideology is perfectly acceptable to you pakis... and talibanization of pakistan is a good thing... right?
Let me get this: Taliban and their ideology is perfectly acceptable to you pakis... and talibanization of pakistan is a good thing... right?
#333 Posted by jay on October 28, 2006 4:42:17 am
Afghan- a policy success.
Pakistan afghans policy is consistant with its creation ideology, islam. . Pakistan made a living by creating the jihadis to kill the russians who were in afghanistan. Now they are collecting money to kill the jihadis they have created.
The generals captured the jihadis and sold them to the americans, the great ghaznavi tradition of doing anything for gold.
Terror any where in the world can be traced to the madrassas of pakistan, and the ideology that created pakistan. Londin bombing are the classic examples, irrespective of teh social circumstances, it is the leassons of TNT transferred through the mothers milk, the stories of the plunder of gaznavi that impells the pakistanis, even in far of london.
The great advantage of pakistan is that it does not have to worry about any policy, they can stick to the eternal one, the notion of Kafir, operationalised in the political arena, as TNT.
I feel sad for the pakistanis, it is so humiliating to be a pakistani in a foreign land.
Pakistan afghans policy is consistant with its creation ideology, islam. . Pakistan made a living by creating the jihadis to kill the russians who were in afghanistan. Now they are collecting money to kill the jihadis they have created.
The generals captured the jihadis and sold them to the americans, the great ghaznavi tradition of doing anything for gold.
Terror any where in the world can be traced to the madrassas of pakistan, and the ideology that created pakistan. Londin bombing are the classic examples, irrespective of teh social circumstances, it is the leassons of TNT transferred through the mothers milk, the stories of the plunder of gaznavi that impells the pakistanis, even in far of london.
The great advantage of pakistan is that it does not have to worry about any policy, they can stick to the eternal one, the notion of Kafir, operationalised in the political arena, as TNT.
I feel sad for the pakistanis, it is so humiliating to be a pakistani in a foreign land.
#340 Posted by MantoLives on October 28, 2006 5:23:39 am
Re: # 333
Jayaprakash you try so hard to convince yourself that it is indeed humiliating for Pakistanis living in the west ... maybe one of these days you will come to gobble up your own crap... like BJkumar (Chowk staff must run an ID Check on you two).
On the political side... it must be remembered that Taliban have a distinguished lineage. The father of taliban is none other than Maulana Fazlurrahman, the proud scion of Maulana Mufti Mahmood, who was in politics only by good graces of Mahatma Gandhi.... Thus Mahatma Gandhi is the great grandfather of the taliban... and the resemblance is uncanny ... when it comes to Gandhi`s outlook on women, religion and modernity... Pakistan only utilised the Afghan jehad to win a war against communism... now the monster is raging out of control...
Jayaprakash you try so hard to convince yourself that it is indeed humiliating for Pakistanis living in the west ... maybe one of these days you will come to gobble up your own crap... like BJkumar (Chowk staff must run an ID Check on you two).
On the political side... it must be remembered that Taliban have a distinguished lineage. The father of taliban is none other than Maulana Fazlurrahman, the proud scion of Maulana Mufti Mahmood, who was in politics only by good graces of Mahatma Gandhi.... Thus Mahatma Gandhi is the great grandfather of the taliban... and the resemblance is uncanny ... when it comes to Gandhi`s outlook on women, religion and modernity... Pakistan only utilised the Afghan jehad to win a war against communism... now the monster is raging out of control...
#330 Posted by bjkumar on October 28, 2006 4:28:54 am
The Taliban is Coming, Run Inside….
Your land of such, such beauty is a bit like bargain store
And “they” may have just what you were always looking for
If you don’t mind the fact that all your brain has gone – misused
With a bit of “persuasion,” it could get even more screwed
Why you take this one for instance – these broken, bearded farts
If you could only just replace their doggone missing parts
You would be surprised to find how screwed they really are
Now “take it” and you never will be sorry you came far
The Taliban is coming, run inside
You can easily afford the price
Just pay them their nazarana to purchase the merchandise
And they will guarantee you’ll be completely “satisfied”
Take those old used memories which close to heart your burn
And those broken, broken dreams and plans that had to take U-turn
Strategic depth for future, you can use it evermore
Their “love” got so much “wasted” – but for you they still have more
The Taliban is coming, run inside
You can easily afford the price
Just pay them their nazarana to purchase the merchandise
And they will guarantee you’ll be completely “satisfied”
Your land of such, such beauty is a bit like bargain store
And “they” may have just what you were always looking for
If you don’t mind the fact that all your brain has gone – now used
With a bit of “persuasion,” it could be even more screwed
The Taliban is coming, run inside
The Taliban is coming, run inside
(With apologies to Ms. Dolly Parton)
#329 Posted by zeemax on October 28, 2006 4:17:43 am
Echoboom,
Your booming comments re #323 please ..... thanks.
Your booming comments re #323 please ..... thanks.
#328 Posted by zeemax on October 28, 2006 4:16:16 am
#327 by mohar11
Yaar Mohar .. Paks are not trying to defeat them ... they`re trying to make amends with them for mistakes in the past ... can`t you see?
And macacia is not even a player in this part of the world ... do you want to send armies to AF? As someone said earlier on some board ... that`ll be a lot of fun to watch!
Yaar Mohar .. Paks are not trying to defeat them ... they`re trying to make amends with them for mistakes in the past ... can`t you see?
And macacia is not even a player in this part of the world ... do you want to send armies to AF? As someone said earlier on some board ... that`ll be a lot of fun to watch!
#332 Posted by mohar11 on October 28, 2006 4:39:51 am
Re: # 328
If macacas are never a player - then you pakis have nothing to worry about... but mushy is whining day and night about it... so you tell me...
If macacas are never a player - then you pakis have nothing to worry about... but mushy is whining day and night about it... so you tell me...
#331 Posted by mohar11 on October 28, 2006 4:36:32 am
Re: # 328
Yes - I see that and that`s what I am talking about... why are pakis back to supporting taliban and talibanization?... I mean - what happened to all the high talk about moderation and modenisation?... talibanization supposed to have hurt pakiland badly - or so we have been hearing from pakis for last 5 years... Mushy was supposed to be the great white hope to take pakiland out of talibanization and into modernity...
what happened to that?... has that plan been dropped?... or was it never in the plan but mere eyewash for western audience?
Yes - I see that and that`s what I am talking about... why are pakis back to supporting taliban and talibanization?... I mean - what happened to all the high talk about moderation and modenisation?... talibanization supposed to have hurt pakiland badly - or so we have been hearing from pakis for last 5 years... Mushy was supposed to be the great white hope to take pakiland out of talibanization and into modernity...
what happened to that?... has that plan been dropped?... or was it never in the plan but mere eyewash for western audience?
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