Pakistan's Afghan Policy

#325 by mohar11

Sure .. but who`s gonna do it? Heeng smelling hindooos in dhotis will do what their masters with daisy-cutters couldn`t do? Hahaha ....

Re: # 326

Why not?... you pakis ain`t going to do it.... so somebody has to...

Hindoooooos!

Read below about an idea of what it is all about!

Re: # 324
[.. he will neither be found nor defeated by America 5 years ago?...]

And how is that a good thing?... mullah Omar and Bin Laden must be found and defeated - no?

Did he foretell he will neither be found nor defeated by America 5 years ago?

The Taliban`s Mullah Omar - in his own words

This 12-minute interview with Mullah Omar Mohammad, the Taliban leader, was conducted in Pashtu for the publicly-funded radio channel Voice of America. The broadcast was pulled on Friday, September 21, 2001 following objections from the US deputy secretary of state and senior officials of the National Security Council.

Voice of America interviewer: Why don`t you expel Osama bin Laden?

Omar: This is not an issue of Osama bin Laden. It is an issue of Islam. Islam`s prestige is at stake. So is Afghanistan`s tradition.

VOA: Do you know that the US has announced a war on terrorism?

Omar: I am considering two promises. One is the promise of God, the other is that of Bush. The promise of God is that my land is vast. If you start a journey on God`s path, you can reside anywhere on this earth and will be protected... The promise of Bush is that there is no place on earth where you can hide that I cannot find you. We will see which one of these two promises is fulfilled.

VOA: But aren`t you afraid for the people, yourself, the Taliban, your country?

Omar: Almighty God... is helping the believers and the Muslims. God says he will never be satisfied with the infidels. In terms of worldly affairs, America is very strong. Even if it were twice as strong or twice that, it could not be strong enough to defeat us. We are confident that no one can harm us if God is with us.

VOA: You are telling me you are not concerned, but Afghans all over the world are concerned.

Omar: We are also concerned. Great issues lie ahead. But we depend on God`s mercy. Consider our point of view: if we give Osama away today, Muslims who are now pleading to give him up would then be reviling us for giving him up... Everyone is afraid of America and wants to please it. But Americans will not be able to prevent such acts like the one that has just occurred because America has taken Islam hostage. If you look at Islamic countries, the people are in despair. They are complaining that Islam is gone. But people remain firm in their Islamic beliefs. In their pain and frustration, some of them commit suicide acts. They feel they have nothing to lose.

VOA: What do you mean by saying America has taken the Islamic world hostage?

Omar: America controls the governments of the Islamic countries. The people ask to follow Islam, but the governments do not listen because they are in the grip of the United States. If someone follows the path of Islam, the government arrests him, tortures him or kills him. This is the doing of America. If it stops supporting those governments and lets the people deal with them, then such things won`t happen. America has created the evil that is attacking it. The evil will not disappear even if I die and Osama dies and others die. The US should step back and review its policy. It should stop trying to impose its empire on the rest of the world, especially on Islamic countries.

VOA: So you won`t give Osama bin Laden up?

Omar: No. We cannot do that. If we did, it means we are not Muslims... that Islam is finished. If we were afraid of attack, we could have surrendered him the last time we were threatened and attacked. So America can hit us again, and this time we don`t even have a friend.

VOA: If you fight America with all your might - can the Taliban do that? Won`t America beat you and won`t your people suffer even more?

Omar: I`m very confident that it won`t turn out this way. Please note this: there is nothing more we can do except depend on almighty God. If a person does, then he is assured that the Almighty will help him, have mercy on him and he will succeed.

I knew this is going to happen... Awesome as the daisy-cutters may be, it can only do so much to change the psyche of people who have been worshipping a bedouin and f8888 goats as ``right of passage`` for centuries... daisy-cutter induced good sense lasted just about 5 years.... ah, well...

So what now pakis?... I thought you guys have learnt the lesson ...and are all set to ditch bedouinism and go for democracy, secularism, modernism and what not... I mean - isn`t that what you guys have been rambling about since daisies started falling in 2001?....

what happened?... now you got taliban setup and back in action in waziristan or some such place.... and you guys are all 0rgasmic about Hamid Karzai`s talk with Mullah Omar... Zeemax is crying his heart out about taliban Foreign Minister guy.... geriatric Mad-ani mian has a leg in the grave, yet very ecstatic about kashmir... HP is beating his puny chest about ``strategic depth``.... Mullah32 is back in his closet...

And Hamidm mian has simply gone bunkers - give him a martini, somebody.... rest all are hopeless, but atleast we can save one guy from complete relapse....

#313 by HP

I suspect Mulla Omar will give the same response to Karzai as Hikmatyar had given to Nijibullah.

BJ,

We live the life our brains and the brain is a self-propelled organism in terms of thoughts and actions. It`s a unique engineering creation of our creator.

Debate and the rules of healthy debate betters our position...that`s the essence of democracy. The couple u are referring to are unique.........we all are entitled to our opinions but they cant, especailly the male one cant accept dissent much like his idol Jinnah. He plumps for democracy but acts against the very rules of democracy. Jinnah did the same thing in his lifetime.

Re: # 320

According to VRV healthy debate is calling other people ``sons-of-bitches`` and abusing their families. I suppose this is ``Gandhian style`` of ``debate`` and ``democracy``. No wonder Gandhi took to breaking cameras after disagreements.

I do consider VRV`s, BJkumar and other people`s concurrence with each other nothing but gobbling up defaecation... but atleast I am not abusing you and your families for disagreeing with me.

Re: # 334

PS: Nothing you can say or no amount of abuse will stick on me, however. I do hope though that Indians throw away this facade of being democratic, when they can`t argue with about abusing others.

So DM mian - paki taliban policy has paid ``rich dividends to pakistan``, eh?....

So Pakis are back to square one... back to supporting taliban, and talibanization... looks like daisy-cutter effect is fading out... I mean - after all the bluster about U-turns, enlightenment, moderation - now we have entire paki brigrade here back to their national circular jerk-fest....even Hamid Gopinath has joined in. :)... pity...

And what`s wrong with DM?.... old-age or too much kool-aid?....

#313 HP

[Hahaha! Karzai wants to talk to Mullah Omar...... ]

Alas my dear, the REAL laugh is on you!

The delusional ``intellectuals`` from the land of the Pure!

Pakistan`s first line of defense against ideological slavery.

Even you, of the bended knees!

HisExcellency/HP,

I reproduce an extract from #176 on this board for your considered comments. The wounds referred to in the highlighted text are such as the Taliban ambassador, Mulla Zaeef, stripped naked by FBI and carted off in a US plane to Gitmo (now released) while Pak guards stood idly around. He wrote all about it in his recent book.

Afghanistan as a state has always been a loosely confederated entity of ferociously autonomous warlords, with the state in Kabul just performing the function of liaising with a `big brother` next-door for vital transport of shipments to a land locked country, and for essential commodities. This big brother was the Soviet Union (i.e. ...even the butter was shipped from SU though there was a local brewery as I recall...pls note hamidm). After departure of SU from the scene, the vacuum was filled by Pak, and squandered away by Musharraf. As it stands now, Taliban after its resurgence is an enemy of both Pak and the US/EU, and the wounds are very deep. The `new` Taliban is a lot more dangerous than it ever was both for Pak as well as the west.

Pak must not make the same mistake again of being caught by surprise of a 9/11 without a policy and forsaking its long-term strategic interests in Afghanistan for US favour in a hurry. The defeat of US in both Iran and Iraq is now imminent and Pak must divert foreign policy direction to most importantly Iran, Turkey and China who will gain influence in the region, while Pak will remain holding the bag with enemies on all sides without a policy direction. Afghanis, above all, are traders and will side with the best trading partners.

#314 VRV

Ama yaar, all that concurrence of views between Manto and his Mrs. seems to have irreparably damaged both their brains - or what passes for the same!

I suppose a mind is a terrible thing to waste, what to say of TWO waste-filled minds!

Ladies and Gentlemen,

The true Jinnah follower Mantolives.......who considers concurrence of views by two persons is equal to gobbling up defecation.....