Pakistan's Afghan Policy

Sadna:390

Please distinguish & discern between the Paki lap-dog govt ( LaanUt-bur-musharraf) who is working hand in hand with the US thuggs, like some Indian ``leaders`` of yore.

We are talking about the Pakistani people who HATE American Britsh etc presence in Afghanistan and Iraq. They also HATE karzai. They LOVE all mullahs, all Talibaans & anyone & everyone who the White-Hanumaans call ``terrorist``.

Tomorrow if the White-Baboons do interfere anywhere, even in India, the
White-baboon-haters would still be doing their duty....and believe me there is no shortage of Baboon-haters among millions upon millions of non-muslims like hindus, sikhs, jews, christians etc etc.

The world is not really such a bad place and is chugging along nicely despite the Satanic creeds.....and that is one promise Allah has made mankind.

Boom dada

Islam is a powerful force but whether it is a force for the good or evil is not clear. Also, just because it won in the past does not necessarily mean that it will do so in the future.

In general, one can agree that the world as it had been structured until recently was not strong enough to deal with Islam. But the rest of the world is changing too. And small changes can have signficant impact. The dynamics of Islam`s war with others can change. So at best #388 can be taken as a rallying cry :)

echoboom #384
The point is not about the loyalties of the soldiers, the point is about fighting abilities. In the Afghan Wars of the nineteenth century, the Afghans defeated an Army consisting predominantly of Punjabi Muslim soldiers, so it is difficult to see those wars as a matter of boasting for present-day Pakistanis.

Zee

Why would that shake us? Assuming that God did make such a promise to Mullah Omar, He did not protect too many who started a journey on His path.

Bin Laden has been safe because he has wide support among God`s people living in the region. The real surprise, IMHO, would have been had some God`s people (1) betrayed Bin Laden and (2) lived among other God`s people to enjoy their financial rewards?

It seems one can, to a significant extent, explain (even predict) many of these things using pretty simple, and quite ungodly, concepts. :)

Zeemax:387

``Jis dhaj sey koi maqtal mein gaya voh shaan salaamat rehti hai
Yeh jaan toa aani jaani hai, iss jaaN kee toa koi baat naheeN``

THe whole world knows USA is zilch. It is not Aghanistan but the USA, & the WEST, itself which is digging its own grave.

Jo bhhee zaalim hai voh Ubb khair mUnaaey Upnee
Haath mazloom kaa shamsheer tzUk aa pohnchaa hai

Like the Mongols they have no choice but to accept the creed. Islam has always decanted itself into an existing cup (infrastructure) like Rome, Iran , Spain or India..It is not in the business to reinvent the wheel. The soldires returning from the Gulf, Afghanistan, and Iraq have converted by the thousands. The other day I met an Officer (not nco) refusing to return to Afghanistan...and has joined the anti-war movement.

The West`s fifteen-minutes of ``fortune`` would not last too long--INshaAllah!

#385 by echoboom

Yes Echo ... but one thing he said really shook me ... the following:

One is the promise of God, the other is that of Bush. The promise of God is that my land is vast. If you start a journey on God`s path, you can reside anywhere on this earth and will be protected... The promise of Bush is that there is no place on earth where you can hide that I cannot find you. We will see which one of these two promises is fulfilled.

This turned out to be true. Comments?

#383 by sadna / #384 by echoboom

And Ashfaqullah Khan ... of the Kakori train.

Zeemax:382

He HAS only echoed what I posted there Zeemax.

sadna:383
bUddi-bee

I also send three laanuts each day for the muslim sikh hindu & other motley farangi-lapdogs who worked hand in hand with the Britto-hnumaans to supreess, kill or maim, their own kith and kin in the cage of the plucked golden-goose.

To me they were all BRITISH.

Maybe to you Mangal Paandey, Irfan-ullah maulaana mehmoodulhasan, bhagt singh, subhash chandra Bose( disguised as MAULVI zia-uddin) Shahnavaz, Kiani, and thousands upon thousands are not heroes....

but to me they all are.

echoboom
You keep crowing about the Afghan defeat of the British in the Afghan Wars of the 19th century. Do you know a majority of the soldiers on the defeated British side were Punjabi Muslims?

Prelude to Partition, David Page, OUP 1982
``The Muslims of West Punjab had played an important role in the annexation of the province, and both the Muslims and Sikhs provided the forces which enabled the government to put down the Mutiny of 1857. In the aftermath of the Mutiny, therefore, the Punjab became the main recruiting area for the Indian Army, and acquired a reputation as the `Sword Arm of India`. The extent to which the government relied on Punjabi soldiers could be demonstrated in the later nineteenth century by reference to the part they played in the Afghan Wars. At that time fear of Russian expansion was the guiding principle of Indian military strategy and the location of the Punjab astride the route from Central Asia made a strong Punjab essential for India`s defence..``

#378 by echoboom

Thanks Echo, but could you kindly comment on the specific and highlighted portions of Mullah Omar`s interview ... such as the faith he expressed.

Zeemax

Outsiders appear to nurse some major misconceptions such as

1. only ``a handful`` of local people offer taliban, al qaeda, etc., any support and the rest are eager to get rid of them in a hurry.

2. local people too consider youngsters joining al qaeda etc as ``canon fodder`` (too much trust in DailyTimes editorials?)

3. for American dollars, local people will betray an Islamic hero before they will betray Americans (or Indians)

While it is always good to hope, excessive reliance on misconceptions can be strategically unwise.

Re: # 380 by kaalchakra

That is exactly right.

The world needs to wake up and realize that we are not talking about just a few rotten apples in the barrel here.

The world needs to dispose of the WHOLE BARREL. There is no other way.

#375 by bjkumar

haha .. BJ you`re the limit.

#376 by HP

Sure HP. I always look forward to your excellent analysis whenever you have time.

#377 by VRV

Btw, all the 3 look the same ...

Yes. Because it was a Hard Rock Band ............

Zeemax:329
Here it is:
How prophetic of Iqbal!




tr:


Satan`s edict to his minions
or a guide to enslave India and Muslims



Ensnare the Brahmins into the noose of politics
Fling into exile the keepers of ancient temples

That one with the will-power to fast & starve
Exorcise him of his spirit & love for Muhammad(pbuh)

Infuse the Arab thought with the farangi philosophies
Get rid of Islam from Arabia and Yemen

The solution to the honour-code of the Afghaans is
to throw out the mullah from its mountains & valleys

Snatch away the glorious traditions of the Meca & Medina
Hound out the deer from his lees and grazing grounds.

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The Afghanistan Syndrome

When you`re wounded and left on Afghanistan`s plains,

And the women come out to cut up what remains,

Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,

And go to your Gawd like a soldier.

—Rudyard Kipling, ``The Young British Soldier``


The United States had barely begun to threaten the Taliban
regime in Afghanistan when various senior Russian military men began offering
their advice, which generally consisted of: stay the hell out of there.
Memories of the heavy Russian losses in 1979-89 still run deep. Other
analysts remembered the three Afghan Wars that Britain fought in the 19th
and early 20th centuries, and the mythos surrounding the destruction of
the British column retreating from Kabul in 1842. References like that
in the Kipling verse above are a reminder that for 19th Century Britain
and the 20th Century Soviet Union, Afghanistan was a scene of defeat and
military disaster. If the United States in the 1970s and 1980s was paralyzed
by a ``Vietnam Syndrome``, then an ``Afghanistan Syndrome``
clearly exists as well.

The United States appears to be on the verge of a military
engagement in Afghanistan, and military planners are, certainly, aware
of the defeats inflicted on past invaders of the country. But the ``Afghanistan
Syndrome`` can be overstated. The British won most of their set-piece
battles in Afghanistan; they simply could not find a way to hold the country.
The Russians killed perhaps a million and a half Afghans during their
decade there, and devastated the countryside, but they, too, could not
hold the country. No one (except perhaps a few of the Taliban) believes
that the United States wants to occupy and hold Afghanistan. Britain and
the Soviets also failed dismally in their various attempts to impose their
choice of Afghan leader on the Afghan people. While the United States
clearly wants to see the Taliban removed, it has so far wisely kept its
distance from endorsing or pushing a single alternative, rather seeking
to encourage the indigenous Loya Jirga (Grand Assembly) process for finding
national consensus.


The exact nature of the campaign the US will conduct was
not clear as this was written, but it seems clear that it will not be
a classic war of massed armies moving to secure territory. This second
Dossier in our series ``What Kind of War?`` looks at the ``Afghanistan
Syndrome`` and the related question of how an outside power does fight
in Afghanistan.

Doctor William Brydon was an unknown assistant surgeon with
the British East India Company in 1842, when he suddenly became one of
the most famous figures of the early Victorian era and the subject of
a much-reproduced painting. In January of 1842 a British and Indian force,
following a two-month siege in Kabul and the killing of the British representative,
began a withdrawal towards the Khyber Pass and Peshawar in British India.
On January 6, 1842, some 16,500 British and Indian Sepoy troops, civilians,
wives and children, and camp followers left Kabul. On January 13, Dr.
Brydon rode, alone, up to the gates of Jalalabad.

#374 by zeemax
“why aren`t you replying to my numerous posts addressed to you?”

I will but I have to have time to write a detailed post. Weekends are usual busy with the family and I just go thru the web quickly and have a very small window to spend on the net.