Aparna Pande October 24, 2006
#49 Posted by bongdongs on October 25, 2006 9:30:55 am
#48
In general Pakistan`s great failure in Afghanistan comes from its overarching ambition of total control of Afghanistan. The arrogance of its military-intelligence apparatus (which is reflected in the arrogance of the Pakistani elite here) which has alienated minority groups in Afghanistan and many of the Pastun tribes as well.
Pakistan has repeatedly sabotaged the formation of a broad based government in Afghanistan in its desire to create a servile state. If readers here are interested read about the Peter Thomsen mission in 1990-91 and how it was sabotaged by the ISI and the CIA.
In general Pakistan`s great failure in Afghanistan comes from its overarching ambition of total control of Afghanistan. The arrogance of its military-intelligence apparatus (which is reflected in the arrogance of the Pakistani elite here) which has alienated minority groups in Afghanistan and many of the Pastun tribes as well.
Pakistan has repeatedly sabotaged the formation of a broad based government in Afghanistan in its desire to create a servile state. If readers here are interested read about the Peter Thomsen mission in 1990-91 and how it was sabotaged by the ISI and the CIA.
#50 Posted by arjun2 on October 25, 2006 9:34:55 am
#49 by bongdongs on October 25, 2006 9:30am PT
you think pakiland getting bombed by the USAF, the talipakis whacking 700+ paki soldiers, the paki army getting it`s teeth kicked in and withdrawing from the tribal areas and the taliban taking over parts of the tribal areas and imposing taxes are all a sign Pakiland`s failure?
You`re either uninformed or you hate Pakiland...
Or, like reality, you have a well known anti-Pakiland bias...
you think pakiland getting bombed by the USAF, the talipakis whacking 700+ paki soldiers, the paki army getting it`s teeth kicked in and withdrawing from the tribal areas and the taliban taking over parts of the tribal areas and imposing taxes are all a sign Pakiland`s failure?
You`re either uninformed or you hate Pakiland...
Or, like reality, you have a well known anti-Pakiland bias...
#51 Posted by tahmed32 on October 25, 2006 9:44:11 am
arjun #50 you were always a stupid, spiteful little man. now i think you are also growing seriously insane - thus proving that it is possible to be stupid and insane at the same time. Just like your elder macaca uncle jay.
#52 Posted by tahmed32 on October 25, 2006 9:47:36 am
#49 dont worry about pakistani generals` ambitions in afghanistan. We pakistanis are happy because Indian politicians` ambitions end where the ``pakiland`` border begins. :-)
#54 Posted by swarrier on October 25, 2006 10:06:36 am
Re: # 52
Perhaps, but Indian politicians will come and go every five years. It is Indian businesses that have to be reckoned with. And while HP can berate all Indians for having a unit vector for a brain, all of them are not stupid.
If Afghanistan offered an opportunity for money making then there will be Indian ambitions in that area too.
Luckily our businessmen do not hold our politicians in awe.-)
Perhaps, but Indian politicians will come and go every five years. It is Indian businesses that have to be reckoned with. And while HP can berate all Indians for having a unit vector for a brain, all of them are not stupid.
If Afghanistan offered an opportunity for money making then there will be Indian ambitions in that area too.
Luckily our businessmen do not hold our politicians in awe.-)
#55 Posted by sadna on October 25, 2006 10:08:07 am
One thing which is really puzzling is how a man can sleep at night when Bin Laden is hiding out in his country under his watch. Is the Pak nation really so committed to take on the world to defend Bin Laden like the Taliban were?
#56 Posted by HP on October 25, 2006 10:17:27 am
#55 by sadna
lo and behold! macaca #55 knows where OBL is....Hey CIA might find you some work cleaning afghan stables....
lo and behold! macaca #55 knows where OBL is....Hey CIA might find you some work cleaning afghan stables....
#57 Posted by sadna on October 25, 2006 10:21:27 am
#56
That Pakis call me names while shielding terrorists is old news to me, loser Paki.
That Pakis call me names while shielding terrorists is old news to me, loser Paki.
#58 Posted by tahmed32 on October 25, 2006 10:23:06 am
#53 yup. From an indian point of view. But there it is - Pakistan Zindabad!! ;-)
#59 Posted by HP on October 25, 2006 10:26:15 am
#58
``But there it is - Pakistan Zindabad!!``
For macacas to follow it correctly you need to write: Pakistan Jindabad!
``But there it is - Pakistan Zindabad!!``
For macacas to follow it correctly you need to write: Pakistan Jindabad!
#60 Posted by tahmed32 on October 25, 2006 10:26:36 am
#54 ``Luckily our businessmen do not hold our politicians in awe`` true. and neither do businessmen anywhere else. in fact, businessmen hold politicians to the leash. in case of developing countries, they businessmen also hold bureaucrats to the leash.
#62 Posted by sadna on October 25, 2006 10:31:39 am
Another puzzling thing is that the amount of energy Pakis spend in defending the Taliban regime which ruled in another country for 6 years you will not see them expending in defending any Paki regime except perhaps the Ayub Khan one. The future MMA regime may be the exception.
#63 Posted by Ranjit on October 25, 2006 10:32:04 am
Re:bongdongs and arjun
If Pakistanis are stupid enough to back the Taliban all over again, I say let them do it. If they want to ruin their country, why stop it? If they dont see any problems in backing a bunch of illiterate, rabid, violent religious nutcases, God help them.
The Taliban have no hopes in Afghanistan, with the NATO/US troops waiting there along with the Uzbeks/Tajiks to welcome them with daisy cutters. If the Taliban are fighters, the Uzbeks/Tajiks are super fighters and now they control Kabul and have the west on their side. In every battle, at least 40-50 Taliban are being mowed down like ``gajar-muli``. In frustration, the Taliban will essentially carve out their country from Pakistan, which is exactly what they have started doing. The Waziristan deal is the first step towards the secession of NWFP from Pakistan.
From an Indian point of view, the main concern is if there is a spillover into Kashmir. The mining of the LOC during the peace process has given us a huge advantage. An associated concern is if the Taliban ally themselves with the MMA and rouge army elements to topple Musharraf and grab power. That will be a doomsday scenario but then thats why we have nukes. Until then, lets move forward with our 10% growth rate and Tata-Corus deals, while Pakiland wastes time with the Taliban in some fond imperial dream.
If Pakistanis are stupid enough to back the Taliban all over again, I say let them do it. If they want to ruin their country, why stop it? If they dont see any problems in backing a bunch of illiterate, rabid, violent religious nutcases, God help them.
The Taliban have no hopes in Afghanistan, with the NATO/US troops waiting there along with the Uzbeks/Tajiks to welcome them with daisy cutters. If the Taliban are fighters, the Uzbeks/Tajiks are super fighters and now they control Kabul and have the west on their side. In every battle, at least 40-50 Taliban are being mowed down like ``gajar-muli``. In frustration, the Taliban will essentially carve out their country from Pakistan, which is exactly what they have started doing. The Waziristan deal is the first step towards the secession of NWFP from Pakistan.
From an Indian point of view, the main concern is if there is a spillover into Kashmir. The mining of the LOC during the peace process has given us a huge advantage. An associated concern is if the Taliban ally themselves with the MMA and rouge army elements to topple Musharraf and grab power. That will be a doomsday scenario but then thats why we have nukes. Until then, lets move forward with our 10% growth rate and Tata-Corus deals, while Pakiland wastes time with the Taliban in some fond imperial dream.
#64 Posted by tahmed32 on October 25, 2006 10:34:46 am
#63 even the dumbest pakistani is smarter than the average indian on chowk.
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