Pakistan's Afghan Policy

#63 as for kashmir - there are more than seven hundred thousand indian soldiers trying to hold onto a few million people who would rather not be part of India. This has to be the largest ratio of occupying force vs local population in human history.

This speaks louder than all the indian propaganda about what kashmiris think of India.

#63

the Pakistani`s have no choice, the Taliban are an expression of the nationalistic sentiment of the Durrani Pastuns and they will rule on both sides of the border.

The Pakistani and the Afghan state`s are both artificial anyway, both be dammed!

#66 all states are artificial. may they all be blessed! :-)

#65 by tahmed32 on October 25, 2006 10:37am PT

The ratio of Indians who don`t give a shit about Pakis(or Kashmiris) think and those that do is much much higher...as is the ratio of Indians who are willing to hand over Indian Kashmir to Pakiland compared to the people who do...

look at macacas getting excited as if word has gotten around that there is a sale on wrangler stonewashed jeans/levis dockers at the local walmart. and an indian quoting ahmed rashid is like a pakistani quoting arundharti roy. rashid is a celebrity in macaca circles because he is anti-islam and he is a rundee of the gora media which is another macaca bhagwan because a. its gora and b. goras pay macaca salary. gora media is in the habit of cultivating house niggers because these creatures reaffirm the worst fears goras have of their enemies. this is precisely why two-bit money grabbing clowns like asra nomani and ayan hirsi are paraded around as trophies while a genuine scholar like edward said has to live his life as a marked man. this gora ploy however is not without costs which day by day is getting heavier.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,1930687,00.html

We have turned Iraq into the most hellish place on Earth

Armies claiming to bring prosperity have instead brought a misery worse than under the cruellest of modern dictators

#68 macaca arjun doesnt give a s

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about us Pakistanis. oh no!! we are ruined!!


ha! ha!

Re: # 65
You counted them personally.-) I`d say there were 700,000 in may 2002 when there was a bit of tension with a neighbouring country don`t you think. Had to get all those fauji types over there right quick to look squiggly eyed at our neighbours. There are fewer now, but we do need them to flush out all those chaps coming over the LOC.

Now let`s not all get our knickers in a twist. This article is about that problem on the other side of the Pakistani border.

#71 i met a kashmiri from occupied kashmir who said the indian army is all over the place there. i asked him who were the individuals behind the violence - and he said it was nearly all local kashmiris who were fed up of the manner in which the indian military behaved with the civilians. and i can believe what he said about the brutality of the indian army towards muslims in kashmir after seeing the spite and hatreds towards muslims exhibited by so many indians on chowk.

so rest assured that it is not without reason that the indian government has refused to allow kashmiris the right to decide whether to join india or pakistan or become a free nation - it knows that kashmiris would never agree to be part of a nation where there is so much hatred towards muslims.

bringing facts to you attention is not getting my knickers in a twist.

David Ignatius writing Iraq obituary in Washington post today!

“The real opportunity presented by the Baker-Hamilton process is that it`s bipartisan. To get most American troops out of Iraq over the next year will require more patience at home, and a lot less partisan bickering. And our politicians will need strong stomachs: They must manage an orderly retreat under fire. There is a path out of this mess, but we will be lying if we call it victory.”

Just a couple of years ago this same Ignatius wrote:

“In truth, Iraq is probably more ready for democracy than any nation in the Arab world.
And the talk of Iraq`s internecine strife is overblown, too.``

``A war in Iraq could trigger a new economic boom or a deeper slump. But most of the downside risk is already built into oil prices. So if forced to wager where prices will be in a year, a sensible gambler would bet on a price decline -- and a corresponding boost to the global economy. ``

``That`s why Saddam Hussein is likely to seek a defiant and probably suicidal last stand, like the famous American battle of the Alamo. He has few other viable choices. He is damned if he doesn`t capitulate to the U.N. inspectors and damned if he does. ``

My! My! Oh lala!

Ignatius has blood on his hands. He and every pundit who saw war as a fking video game.(like macaca #63) Cowards, the lot of them. And they dare try to lecture people on Afghanistan today? The nerve.

They would soon be writing obituaries about Afghanistan too…

#71 i met a kashmiri from occupied kashmir who said the indian army is all over the place there. i asked him who were the individuals behind the violence - and he said it was nearly all local kashmiris who were fed up of the manner in which the indian military behaved with the civilians. and i can believe what he said about the brutality of the indian army towards muslims in kashmir after seeing the spite and hatreds towards muslims exhibited by so many indians on chowk.

so rest assured that it is not without reason that the indian government has refused to allow kashmiris the right to decide whether to join india or pakistan or become a free nation - it knows that kashmiris would never agree to be part of a nation where there is so much hatred towards muslims.

bringing facts to you attention is not getting my knickers in a twist.

#72
Obviously it is not anti-Muslim to burn down Afghan schools and coerce Afghans to submit to your Jamat I Ulema Pakistan goons so that your President can get another term in office.

further to #74: and i had this chat with this indian kashmiri over eid just a couple of days ago. i dont care about what the pakistan government says or what the indian government says. if you need a huge military force to keep down unrest in the local population - as this man told me was the case - then you have no moral claims.

and while i have seen many indians on chowk self-righteously talk about ``cross-border terrorism``, the facts make their talk hollow as far as i am concerned. the only cross-border terrorism is indians coming to chowk to vent their hatred and ridicule of pakistanis and muslims.

#76
Why did it take the Pak Army and Pak volunteers and so many Pak slogans of Islam to keep Taliban in power in Afghanistan for 6 years, with mass killings of Hazaras, Uzbeks and even Pashtuns who refused to toe the line?
That is the question being addressed here which cannot be avoided by Pakis by bringing in Kashmir which is another place where the Pakistani Army thinks it will get a walkover by expressing outrage.

Sadna and others,

For Pakistani gentlemen in Pakistan and abroad &
Paaki macacas in Paakiland and outside Paakilund as well.


http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006410854,00.html


>>>By OLIVER HARVEY
Reporter Of The Year
September 09, 2006

WHEN a journalist took his family for lunch recently in the Pakistani city of Peshawar, he was surprised to see two of Osama bin Laden’s bodyguards.

Writer Hamid Mir — who has interviewed the al-Qaeda chief three times — pretended not to recognise the duo as he enjoyed the meal.

Their boss is, after all, the world’s most wanted man, with a $25million bounty on his head — and Hamid did not want the pair to feel uneasy about the chance of being arrested.

But they had no such fears.

As Hamid chatted with his wife and children, the two well-built men approached him and said: “Nowadays you are ignoring us.” <<<<<


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An excellent summary by Reed Hundt….

Iraq rules

By Reed Hundt

These are also the rules derived from numerous other conflict-ridden, negotiated states in the last 100 years.

1. When the central government cannot control the countryside, it will eventually lose control in the cities as well.

2. A foreign army cannot provide security in the case of civil war.

3. It is uneconomic to use military force to obtain access to natural resources.

4. Democracy cannot be imposed on a people by a foreign military force.

5. Economic development must precede democracy.

6. A great power should not directly fight guerrilla wars: it cannot use its great power in those situations and will suffer loss to its great power by embroiling itself in such conflicts. If it must engage in such conflicts, it must use surrogates.

7. Airwar cannot provide security; it can be used to preclude the formation of large massings of soldiers, materiel, or other airforces.

8. Police have to speak the language of those policed.

9. The United States has more important national security issues than those presented in the Middle East, as important as those may be.

10. The White House really should let the generals run wars.

Re:tahmed#74

[...fed up of the manner in which the indian military behaved with the civilians....]

Sure, and the Pak army is having a company picnic in Baluchistan, right? It shoves a missile up a political leader`s a$$ and kills him and his followers ruthlessly. Just hold a referendum in Baluchistan, and majority will vote to leave Pakistan. So lets not play the holier than thou card here.

The issue is not holding on to reluctant territory or peoples. Both countries do that. The issue is the eagerness in Pakistan to support the filth of the world - Taliban - a second time around. If you dont think that is a huge tactical/strategic mistake, what can I say. Here you have a neighboring country Afghanistan, that has installed a democratically elected government which is trying to rebuild the country and give a decent life to its people. This is after decades of war. Instead of supporting them and giving the Afghan people a break, what do you Pakis do? Support the taliban to destabilize him and keep the Afghans in the dumps. All in the name of Islam too!! But dont worry. It will just blow back on you guys and you will ultimately pay the price.