Muhammad A Khan November 11, 2006
#8 Posted by Kamath on November 12, 2006 7:16:56 am
Re: # 5
The writer calls himself as, ``..A recipient of sitara-e-imtiaz (military), had about 32 years of military career, is a defense analyst and now pursuing doctorate since 2002.``
In Pakistan lots of people call themselves as, ``Defence Analysts``. Could someone tell me what this job of ``Defence Analyst``. Is it really prestigious academic post, journalist, bazari talker1 or what?
Kamath
The writer calls himself as, ``..A recipient of sitara-e-imtiaz (military), had about 32 years of military career, is a defense analyst and now pursuing doctorate since 2002.``
In Pakistan lots of people call themselves as, ``Defence Analysts``. Could someone tell me what this job of ``Defence Analyst``. Is it really prestigious academic post, journalist, bazari talker1 or what?
Kamath
#7 Posted by krbhatti on November 12, 2006 12:23:56 am
Dear Aslam sahib,
Nice try but you have ended up producing the faulty rhetoric all the way.
[The clash of civilizations has well unfolded but the Western world constantly repudiates the claim....``.]
It seems that you also think within the confine of the mental bounderies, which have been drawn in your mind by your training. I am not surprised, because thirty two years of saluting and yelling ``yes sir`` will definately result in this. Now Let me give you an idea; in this so called clash of civilization, which is the party which is suffering, and which is the party that is reaping benefit.
I will not surprised, if your answer is that muslims are suffering, as this is what one segment want muslims to think. In the same way, their is a segment in the west which want west to think that their population is suffering because their values are at risk. In the end both are suffering; muslims as everyone knows, and also western general population which is now giving away their liberties, social freedom and social benefits to save exactly the same from the hands of terrorists.
So both parties that should matter are suffering. Then who is gaining? The elite bastards, who are aloof of general population are gaining. They are gaining in oil money, arms sales in the west, and bribes, harams, emperor like status in the east (look at saudi elite. Egyption and Syrian elite who has even made presidentship hereditory. Look at your former coleagues in Pakistan; frankly speaking PMA Kakul should be renamed Pakistan Management Authority). Mullahs are also enjoying unparallel power, never enjoyed before by them. You know in Saudia, shariat only applies to general population, all the saudi princes, who are in thousands are immune from it. The famous Moududi sent his childern to study in US, and according to his son never allowed them to read his books; same books that are read by all and sundry in muslim world. He himself went repeatedly to US for medical treatment, and even died there. Nowadays, take the example of Moulana Fazl-ur-Rehman; He is known as Moulana Diesel in Pakistan for his corruption in allocating diesel quotas in the past.
It is not clash of civilization. It is the same story of elite making fools of general population and they are using relegion and way of life to convince them of this, and making themselves rich and powerful. Rlegion is used as a tool in semi illetrate societies (read all muslim countries), and tool of threat to values and way of life in the west as this one is succesful there.
Wake up man, wake up and think out of the box.
Nice try but you have ended up producing the faulty rhetoric all the way.
[The clash of civilizations has well unfolded but the Western world constantly repudiates the claim....``.]
It seems that you also think within the confine of the mental bounderies, which have been drawn in your mind by your training. I am not surprised, because thirty two years of saluting and yelling ``yes sir`` will definately result in this. Now Let me give you an idea; in this so called clash of civilization, which is the party which is suffering, and which is the party that is reaping benefit.
I will not surprised, if your answer is that muslims are suffering, as this is what one segment want muslims to think. In the same way, their is a segment in the west which want west to think that their population is suffering because their values are at risk. In the end both are suffering; muslims as everyone knows, and also western general population which is now giving away their liberties, social freedom and social benefits to save exactly the same from the hands of terrorists.
So both parties that should matter are suffering. Then who is gaining? The elite bastards, who are aloof of general population are gaining. They are gaining in oil money, arms sales in the west, and bribes, harams, emperor like status in the east (look at saudi elite. Egyption and Syrian elite who has even made presidentship hereditory. Look at your former coleagues in Pakistan; frankly speaking PMA Kakul should be renamed Pakistan Management Authority). Mullahs are also enjoying unparallel power, never enjoyed before by them. You know in Saudia, shariat only applies to general population, all the saudi princes, who are in thousands are immune from it. The famous Moududi sent his childern to study in US, and according to his son never allowed them to read his books; same books that are read by all and sundry in muslim world. He himself went repeatedly to US for medical treatment, and even died there. Nowadays, take the example of Moulana Fazl-ur-Rehman; He is known as Moulana Diesel in Pakistan for his corruption in allocating diesel quotas in the past.
It is not clash of civilization. It is the same story of elite making fools of general population and they are using relegion and way of life to convince them of this, and making themselves rich and powerful. Rlegion is used as a tool in semi illetrate societies (read all muslim countries), and tool of threat to values and way of life in the west as this one is succesful there.
Wake up man, wake up and think out of the box.
#6 Posted by Urstruly on November 11, 2006 9:10:24 pm
I fail to see any merit in this article; no vision,; no thesis; and no solution. Basically, it is nothing more than a summary of current affairs which we all know of, quite well, thank you very much.
What I see as a bigger threat to Muslims, is not really the West, but a corrupt Westernized calss that has occupied almost every Muslim country. Brigadier Sahib you have been a part of this oppressing class and may be still are working with a some kind of a think tank still devising and concocting plans on how to oppress us and how to lead us astray from the righteous way of Allah and His Prophet (pbuh). I tell you one thing that man has always been able to defeat the forces of tyrranny no matter how long the wait. It is nature of man. Every revolution in the world started when forces of tyrranny and injustice crossed the limits of humanity - be it French revolution, or Russian, or Iranian revolution against evil forces - the core reason that man rises up is that he wants to establish the rule of justice and law.
The Muslim sedition against the colonial world order of past half a milleneum is for this very reason. The logical outcome of that sedition is that either world will wholly engulfed in the forces of tyrrany, evil, and injustice - victims being non-Muslims as well - or human beings would be able to establish a world where every nation would have an equity and there will be rule of law and justice. It is not a promise of utopia, it is only a promise of peace. Meek may still not be able to inherit the earth but they will be able to enjoy the equity in it.
#5 Posted by CheGuevara on November 11, 2006 7:37:19 pm
Re: # 3
Kakul
``Brig Gen (ret) Muhammad Aslam Khan Niazi
A recipient of sitara-e-imtiaz (military), had about 32 years of military career, is a defense analyst and now pursuing doctorate since 2002.``
I hope this makes things clearer
Kakul
``Brig Gen (ret) Muhammad Aslam Khan Niazi
A recipient of sitara-e-imtiaz (military), had about 32 years of military career, is a defense analyst and now pursuing doctorate since 2002.``
I hope this makes things clearer
#4 Posted by pmishra2 on November 11, 2006 6:17:39 pm
bizarre, sort of like taking all kinds of headlines and editorials and putting them in a islamist blender. A thoughtless mish-mash of fact and fiction....
#2 Posted by ballukhan on November 11, 2006 5:04:50 pm
You must have got a A-Grade from your teacher in Pakistan for this essay writing competition on the topic ``Jihad as a response to clash of civilizations``!!
#1 Posted by Ranjit on November 11, 2006 3:07:28 pm
The basic conclusion from the War on Terror is that muslims just do not want to change. They do not want to change in Iran, Iraq, Afghaistan, Pakistan, anywhere. In fact, they simply want to regress further in the past. That is actually fine as long as they keep selling oil and do not bother non-muslims. After all, it is their prerogative if they want to continue living under theocracies and dictatorships while kicking around women and minorities.
From the US point of view, reforming the muslim world is over. Earlier it had notions that the muslim world might reform and catch up with everyone else in building a modern society. After the Iraq experience where sunnis and shias are happily butchering each other instead of builiding a democracy, the US doesnt really give a damn about it any more. The November elections are a testimonial to that.
The US and European goal is now going to be simple - quarantine muslims in the muslim world. Keep the muslim world stable and continue status quo. Dont let jihadies get the upper hand but dont change anything else either. Completely halt all immigration from muslim countries to non-muslim countries especially Europe. Every non-muslim country is now fortifying itself to protect itself from muslims. The US is focusing on border security, India already has very strong border controls against Pakistan and increasingly towards Bangladesh, Israel is completing a wall to keep out Palestinians permanently, Europe will reduce/eliminate muslim immigration and Turkish participation in EU, Russia and China are also strengthening against muslim influence. So the bottom line is going to be simple - a permanent physical/mental partition between muslims and non-muslims.
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