The Calculus of Miscalculated Human Misery

The basic conclusion from the War on Terror is that muslims just do not want to change. They do not want to change in Iran, Iraq, Afghaistan, Pakistan, anywhere. In fact, they simply want to regress further in the past. That is actually fine as long as they keep selling oil and do not bother non-muslims. After all, it is their prerogative if they want to continue living under theocracies and dictatorships while kicking around women and minorities.

From the US point of view, reforming the muslim world is over. Earlier it had notions that the muslim world might reform and catch up with everyone else in building a modern society. After the Iraq experience where sunnis and shias are happily butchering each other instead of builiding a democracy, the US doesnt really give a damn about it any more. The November elections are a testimonial to that.

The US and European goal is now going to be simple - quarantine muslims in the muslim world. Keep the muslim world stable and continue status quo. Dont let jihadies get the upper hand but dont change anything else either. Completely halt all immigration from muslim countries to non-muslim countries especially Europe. Every non-muslim country is now fortifying itself to protect itself from muslims. The US is focusing on border security, India already has very strong border controls against Pakistan and increasingly towards Bangladesh, Israel is completing a wall to keep out Palestinians permanently, Europe will reduce/eliminate muslim immigration and Turkish participation in EU, Russia and China are also strengthening against muslim influence. So the bottom line is going to be simple - a permanent physical/mental partition between muslims and non-muslims.

You must have got a A-Grade from your teacher in Pakistan for this essay writing competition on the topic ``Jihad as a response to clash of civilizations``!!

BTW you are from which school??

bizarre, sort of like taking all kinds of headlines and editorials and putting them in a islamist blender. A thoughtless mish-mash of fact and fiction....

Re: # 3

Kakul

``Brig Gen (ret) Muhammad Aslam Khan Niazi

A recipient of sitara-e-imtiaz (military), had about 32 years of military career, is a defense analyst and now pursuing doctorate since 2002.``

I hope this makes things clearer

I fail to see any merit in this article; no vision,; no thesis; and no solution. Basically, it is nothing more than a summary of current affairs which we all know of, quite well, thank you very much.

What I see as a bigger threat to Muslims, is not really the West, but a corrupt Westernized calss that has occupied almost every Muslim country. Brigadier Sahib you have been a part of this oppressing class and may be still are working with a some kind of a think tank still devising and concocting plans on how to oppress us and how to lead us astray from the righteous way of Allah and His Prophet (pbuh). I tell you one thing that man has always been able to defeat the forces of tyrranny no matter how long the wait. It is nature of man. Every revolution in the world started when forces of tyrranny and injustice crossed the limits of humanity - be it French revolution, or Russian, or Iranian revolution against evil forces - the core reason that man rises up is that he wants to establish the rule of justice and law.

The Muslim sedition against the colonial world order of past half a milleneum is for this very reason. The logical outcome of that sedition is that either world will wholly engulfed in the forces of tyrrany, evil, and injustice - victims being non-Muslims as well - or human beings would be able to establish a world where every nation would have an equity and there will be rule of law and justice. It is not a promise of utopia, it is only a promise of peace. Meek may still not be able to inherit the earth but they will be able to enjoy the equity in it.

Dear Aslam sahib,

Nice try but you have ended up producing the faulty rhetoric all the way.

[The clash of civilizations has well unfolded but the Western world constantly repudiates the claim....``.]

It seems that you also think within the confine of the mental bounderies, which have been drawn in your mind by your training. I am not surprised, because thirty two years of saluting and yelling ``yes sir`` will definately result in this. Now Let me give you an idea; in this so called clash of civilization, which is the party which is suffering, and which is the party that is reaping benefit.

I will not surprised, if your answer is that muslims are suffering, as this is what one segment want muslims to think. In the same way, their is a segment in the west which want west to think that their population is suffering because their values are at risk. In the end both are suffering; muslims as everyone knows, and also western general population which is now giving away their liberties, social freedom and social benefits to save exactly the same from the hands of terrorists.

So both parties that should matter are suffering. Then who is gaining? The elite bastards, who are aloof of general population are gaining. They are gaining in oil money, arms sales in the west, and bribes, harams, emperor like status in the east (look at saudi elite. Egyption and Syrian elite who has even made presidentship hereditory. Look at your former coleagues in Pakistan; frankly speaking PMA Kakul should be renamed Pakistan Management Authority). Mullahs are also enjoying unparallel power, never enjoyed before by them. You know in Saudia, shariat only applies to general population, all the saudi princes, who are in thousands are immune from it. The famous Moududi sent his childern to study in US, and according to his son never allowed them to read his books; same books that are read by all and sundry in muslim world. He himself went repeatedly to US for medical treatment, and even died there. Nowadays, take the example of Moulana Fazl-ur-Rehman; He is known as Moulana Diesel in Pakistan for his corruption in allocating diesel quotas in the past.

It is not clash of civilization. It is the same story of elite making fools of general population and they are using relegion and way of life to convince them of this, and making themselves rich and powerful. Rlegion is used as a tool in semi illetrate societies (read all muslim countries), and tool of threat to values and way of life in the west as this one is succesful there.

Wake up man, wake up and think out of the box.

Re: # 5
The writer calls himself as, ``..A recipient of sitara-e-imtiaz (military), had about 32 years of military career, is a defense analyst and now pursuing doctorate since 2002.``

In Pakistan lots of people call themselves as, ``Defence Analysts``. Could someone tell me what this job of ``Defence Analyst``. Is it really prestigious academic post, journalist, bazari talker1 or what?

Kamath

Summing up reply to all above:

I thank all taking happy shots. My background led some to conclude that I must have been `yes-man`. Discipline obviously had been my major srtrength but it never hindered me to pursue truth disregard to any other consideration. Nowhere I have refered to my country but my views apply to all and sundery. I hope my comment in reference to the `US best friends` is read once again. I have not glorified the oppressors any where and my argument is against them.
Sardar jee has the solution to wall all Muslim countries. A novel idea but practicable if the repercussions are not kept in mind. Visualise a situation when your life and property is at the mercy of others..... I am sure you will turn out to be the biggest revenge seeking soul and rightly too. Why blame Muslims?
Cheguevra, one hopes you match his qualities, has not liked my credentials. It is good to mock someone once a while that you have done, an abvious and very convenient exercise. What I have been or am doing now at rather senior age, is appreciated by well wishers. I hope you know that genuine PhD completion has minimum time line of three years and there is no bar on maximum. That should put you wise unless you have the tag of some being purchased on-line from fake institutions. Seeking knowledge is a virtu and not a trash activity. About my military career, I am proud to serve in Pakistan Army that never forces anyone to part with virtues. Individals failings can not be dumped on an institution.
A-grade in `jihad`. thanks for the speculation. It is analytical article that gives preamble in relevant parts, followed by my opinion. I hope you grant me this much freedom. It is beside you may not have liked it, maintaing different views. That is also , I recognise, your prerogative.
A friend says, Muslims and the Westerners are suffering and elites (?) are enjoying. I agree but not with the language. That is the reason my dialogue is directed agianst the manipulators, their Govts and those exacting tyranny, and never against the masses whether it is East or West.
Thank you all once again.

Notice this article does not even discuss the darfur genocide or the horrendous sunni-shia violence in Iraq. It only and exclusively discusses situations where muslims have issues with non-muslims.

For me that is the key insight. It exposes the bizarre kind of reasoning behind the so-called scholarly analysis. Behind phrases such as ``truth, justice and transparency`` is actually an obsession with the perfidy of the west and to a lesser extend the cunning of the hindus. All the rest of the wordy nonsense is a screen to invoke universal phrases in support of sectarian goals.

Re: # 8
K...It is not job or post. Get out of it some time. People with military background are given this name by our media, in my case when I appeared on PTV World Channel a couple of times. I am also published in local media once a while.
I hope your query is settled that has hurt you so much.

Re: # 8
K...It is not job or post. Get out of it some time. People with military background are given this name by our media, in my case when I appeared on PTV World Channel a couple of times. I am also published in local media once a while.
I hope your query is settled that has hurt you so much.

Re: # 10
So you spoke. The wild guess you made is your fancy flight. I donot subscribe to this. And also please see I have not claimed my article to be `scholarly` one and it could only discuss what I deemed appropriate. If it were you perhaps you could start with Darfur and so on. You are welcome to keep at the `bizzare` tag.
I admire your frankness.

thank you general-sab for this incisive analysis. welcome to chowk. i think like in stock-market, in the market of ideas timing is important. for example, there was a lot of support for palestinian causes e.g. in india, and there was a time and place. but once the time goes on, people lose interest. same is true with kasmir..if goals are not achieved by a violent rebellioin in short enough time, it later leads to much civilian violence and nefarious elements start co-opting freedom struggles. in short, one must make a roti when the tava is hot..its hard to make to make roti on a molten tava. so, when the next islamic struggle happens, my suggestion is to make a concerted effort behind a big-fullback to get the ball across the goal line..inshallah.

``Public fever in US, Britain and some other coalition countries is hitting their leader’s popularity. Their corrupt and the fallacious international relations have generated so much moral stress within their own parties that a large number of the legislators are now inclined to revolt. ``

pipe dreams of the wannabe jehadi master dreaming of starting a global ``revolt`` by sending a few trained jehadis at their POK camps to the so called regions of discontent.

Miyan........... first go back to your barracks and eat your rations like a honest military man than act like that Pakistani dictator`s boot licker who knows everything about world politics just because he has trained a few jahilyas in his camps to blow themselves up.

Muslims backlash is obviously understandable



Yes....muslims rioting and muslims in the west demanding the beheading of those who insult islam is understandable..most people didn`t expect anything different from muslims anyway..


to allow him an opportunity to recant a confusion that would have lent an added beauty and grace to an act worthy of Islam and Holy Prophet


Yes...the problem isn`t that brit-pakis were demanding the beheading of people who insult islam...the problem was that they didn`t give the perpetrators enough time to apologize...



free of such malice like Noam Chomsky, are spontaneously dumped as traitors


Yes...Chomsky was locked up by the state and sent to gitmo...


by roaring electronic media of Jewish brand that is happily flashing killings;


Yes...the obligatory jews own the media paki thing....



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