The Calculus of Miscalculated Human Misery

Notice this article does not even discuss the darfur genocide or the horrendous sunni-shia violence in Iraq. It only and exclusively discusses situations where muslims have issues with non-muslims.

For me that is the key insight. It exposes the bizarre kind of reasoning behind the so-called scholarly analysis. Behind phrases such as ``truth, justice and transparency`` is actually an obsession with the perfidy of the west and to a lesser extend the cunning of the hindus. All the rest of the wordy nonsense is a screen to invoke universal phrases in support of sectarian goals.

thank you general-sab for this incisive analysis. welcome to chowk. i think like in stock-market, in the market of ideas timing is important. for example, there was a lot of support for palestinian causes e.g. in india, and there was a time and place. but once the time goes on, people lose interest. same is true with kasmir..if goals are not achieved by a violent rebellioin in short enough time, it later leads to much civilian violence and nefarious elements start co-opting freedom struggles. in short, one must make a roti when the tava is hot..its hard to make to make roti on a molten tava. so, when the next islamic struggle happens, my suggestion is to make a concerted effort behind a big-fullback to get the ball across the goal line..inshallah.

Re: # 15
ballukhan
My article was published in September and what I had written then(the portion also quoted by you), by now you should have graded me 21st Century Nostradamus. See what i wrote and what has happened by now:
Rumsfeld gone!
Bush Republican lost
TonyBlair criticised by his own Chief and by British standards it is no less than a coup
Tony being asked to quit by his own party men.
As regards the dictators my views are the same as yours. Please read again what I wrote about `authoritarian` countr!ies. In my country I could write this much.

``Public fever in US, Britain and some other coalition countries is hitting their leader’s popularity. Their corrupt and the fallacious international relations have generated so much moral stress within their own parties that a large number of the legislators are now inclined to revolt. ``

pipe dreams of the wannabe jehadi master dreaming of starting a global ``revolt`` by sending a few trained jehadis at their POK camps to the so called regions of discontent.

Miyan........... first go back to your barracks and eat your rations like a honest military man than act like that Pakistani dictator`s boot licker who knows everything about world politics just because he has trained a few jahilyas in his camps to blow themselves up.

Muslims backlash is obviously understandable



Yes....muslims rioting and muslims in the west demanding the beheading of those who insult islam is understandable..most people didn`t expect anything different from muslims anyway..


to allow him an opportunity to recant a confusion that would have lent an added beauty and grace to an act worthy of Islam and Holy Prophet


Yes...the problem isn`t that brit-pakis were demanding the beheading of people who insult islam...the problem was that they didn`t give the perpetrators enough time to apologize...



free of such malice like Noam Chomsky, are spontaneously dumped as traitors


Yes...Chomsky was locked up by the state and sent to gitmo...


by roaring electronic media of Jewish brand that is happily flashing killings;


Yes...the obligatory jews own the media paki thing....



chowk.com: providing a platform for jihadi apologists since 1996....

Re: # 18

Hizra Paaki,

>>>Is the western leadership really incompetent or there were deliberate attempts to prolong the war to milk it for political domination? <<<

Are u brain dead u idiot? What is this?

The arms are bought from China and/or Russia by ur bros but not from ther US or UK.

Re: # 18 for once you make sense HP. Incompetence upto a point. But would also consider the point, that the west tried to do a Eastern Europe, and japan Germany before that, on Iraq. When you say ``The failure started when the war was diverted from Afghanistan to Iraq on lies that people slowly caught on to.``, you are falling into the same trap, where you are attributing your sense of rationale (which is western) to the Iraqis in particular and the Islamic world in general.

In the long term the west is wining - since eventually it, Iraq will be left in pieces or in a state where pieces is what it will become.

warning: Long post.

“The clash of civilizations has well unfolded but the Western world constantly repudiates the claim.”

It may have started as the clash of civilization but currently it is nothing more than a clash of incompetence. In the end that incompetence would decide where the world is headed. The incompetence of the Muslim Jihadis comes from their social backgrounds that barely allow any understanding of the political and military warfare. They react to incitements and often in the most brazen ways. Due to the fickle nature of Jihadi leadership, they are prone to manipulation from different groups. We see the signs of that manipulation all around us but the question is what happened to the western civilization?

The most advanced states of the world who boast the most sophisticated systems of governance, education, warfare and social changes fell prey to some utterly incompetent political operators within, so quickly and with so much blindness that now the western civilization is facing defeats in areas which should really have been cakewalks.

The western governments have faced ragtag groups like the alqaeeda before and they were taken out without much fanfare, the west has faced countries like Iraq before and they were subdued comprehensively with ease. Even a country like Afghanistan was easily neutralized in the old days and now look at what is happening in Afghanistan.
The question that western scholars now need to ask is what led to this sudden decline and how a group of incompetent politicians, generals and analysts was able to manipulate the system with so much ease.

The war against terror would go down in the history as the gigantic failure of strategy, ideals and political maneuvering not to mention the military failures everywhere.
The worst part is the administration kept saying that it is fighting over there so they don’t show up here but in reality their incompetence led to these cartoonish characters from the medieval periods showing up in every living room every day via the media.

Just one look at these obnoxious characters would tell any one that they were not worthy of the effort so huge and humongous. These characters should have been taken out in swift actions and should never have been allowed to dominate the world scene for as long as they did. Why the most sophisticated armies of the world were so incompetent that they failed to adequately plan the demise of these obnoxious Jihadis who still depend on the west to secure their arms supplies.

Has any one realized that the Jihadis wont even have small arms to fight, if the west had actively attempted to cut off the supplies. The west mounted a successful campaign to dry up their financial resources. We did not see any attempt by the West to go for the jugular and cut off the arms supply too.

Is the western leadership really incompetent or there were deliberate attempts to prolong the war to milk it for political domination?

The failure started when the war was diverted from Afghanistan to Iraq on lies that people slowly caught on to. Those lies and not the military failure in both Afghanistan and Iraq is responsible for legitimizing the terrorist and terrorism as political force in the world now. Had the efforts were made to eliminate the terrorist instead of expanding the war for some dubious reasons, the menace of Jihadis and the terrorism would have been long gone.

Realism and Pragmatism often appear to compliment each other but for the smart and intelligent political analysts they are poles apart and often, like the opposite attract each other but that is where the closeness ends.

The West lost the opportunity to implement a pragmatic approach, now it is looking for a realist approach. The problem with the realist approach is that it leaves bulk of the terrorists in place and provides them legitimacy in the world affair and influence in the areas which they call their bases.

So the clash of civilization is really about to start but it is going to be won only when pragmatism takes over and the war is fought with ideas and the economic might instead of the lies and the military might.

there is obviously the issue of oil. more important than that is the zionist influence on u.s. government. war in iraq should be viewed from these two perspectives. people forget that after 9/11 uncle sam did what obl demanded which is that u.s. get the hell out of saudi arabia. however since u.s. wanted to have influence over events in the m.e. for reasons outlined before, it decided to set up shop in iraq. given the end result of this course of action, i dont think muslims should be too unhappy. u.s. did muslims a favour by removing saddam hussain who was a buffoon and a source of instability in the islamic world. in addition iran has emerged the strongest power in the region which is good because iran is better positioned to fight for muslim interests than arab countries.

in the long term muslims need to get their act together domestically to be able to shape global events. pleading for justice aint gonna work because i. world does not work like that and ii. beggars dont make a very inspiring sight which causes governments to lose support at home. to fix things domestically, muslims need to fix their economy because muslims cannot live by jehad alone.

``Qeematee hotay gaye dair-o haram fikr-o khayal
zindagi insaaN ki ek sastee ki sastee ruh gayee``

a very well written passionate column against taking human lives destroying human achievements for contrived man made linguistically damned ideologies -- supernatural or otherwise -- well done MA Khan!

Re: # 24
Till 1999 I was but never for a moment thereafter about a man you call Mush.....

hope you are not as passionate for Musharraf as you are for everything else in the column......

because if anything his -- ``Warlike aims and activities (have) corrupt(ed) the mentality of (the) man. Intelligent, objective human thinking is suspected and persecuted as unpatriotic.`` -- by the General of democratic civilian politicians.....

-- Albert Einstein

The problems of the world should not be blamed on any one single cause. However, if one HAD to do it, the culprit which comes closest is that lot called the Pakistani khakis.

Yes, the khakis of Pakistan who are good at everything in the world – including the type of sermonizing being witnessed here by this khaki specimen creature.

The Pakistani khakis who are absolutely the best at every trade in the world and who have every skill in the world – except perhaps the skill of actually showing up in the battlefield and actually fighting!

The khaki institution which finds it easier and which has always found it far easier to mount the compound walls of TV stations instead!

Such super patriots!!! Who says that THEY are myopic?!

That’s right! The patriotic entity which most closely resembles an organized crime syndicate of which this author is perhaps one trivial cog – now all used up and discarded!

Without the Pakistani khakis,

(1) there would have been no usurpation of civilian power in that country
(2) there would have been no “strategic depth”
(3) there would have been no Taliban
(4) there would have been no funding of terrorist insurgencies in the subcontinent
(5) there would have been no 9/11 and the changed world which followed
(6) without 9/11, there would have been no US attack on Afghanistan
(7) without 9/11, there would have been no US attack on Iraq
(8) without 9/11, there would have been no…you name it!

It is truly mind boggling how much damage one rogue army of “my religion is superior to others’ and my breed is superior to the rest of the Pakistani breeds!” mindset can do to the whole world.

A clash of civilizations indeed! It’s more akin to a crash of civilian institutions by a rogue army – and nobody in their right mind would call it a clash of civilizations.

Because there is nothing civilized about that rogue institution!

Dear Author,

What I dont get about Muslims is this,

Why do you point fingers at the West?

Please take a Look at yourself?

Apney Gareybaan mein Jhankiye Hazoor!

Lets take the example of Pakistan.......

We, the Pure people of Pakistan are so damn civilized that it curdles my blood.......

The atrocities against women, children, the poor, minorities and the weak are so great that it disgusts me to no end.....

The rise of fundamentalist version of Islam....during the years of Zia the Great...

With the rise of Fundamentalism came Pretentiousness and never before scaled heights of hypocrisy that are the hallmarks of the Pure of Pakiland........

Yes, we like our multiple television channels,

yes, We like to gawk at Indian actresses,

Yes, we like to abuse those with less power be they our children, women, or the poor...

yes, we are so Muslim.....So Pure.......So Civilized......

What clash of civilization......

Civilization, My foot!

Hello, We dont even have Public Bathrooms to serve the Majority of the Pure.......

Re: # 29

ShoreSahib

``Elah, the Muslim God is rumored to have said in The Recitation, most Wise......

``If you kill one human being, its as if you have killed the whole humanity``.

It is a mere statement made by Israeli God who have given his `chosen` people the licence to kill human beings indiscriminately. It may be wise as you say but is not factual: hence of no consequence.