Wahabism in Centers of Learning

Re: # 29 by Urstruly on November 3, 2006 6:44am PT

Dear Urstruly:

You ask for God`s forgiveness, uh? [.... As long as I was a jahil (illiterate/ignoramus) I had nothing but disdain for them. May God forgive me. }

And I thought that you are believer who always chant that there is no other god except for Allah, and .......

You should have asked for Allah`s forgiveness, don`t you think?

Respectfully submitted,

it is the poor and destitute who look towards religion as a symbol of salvation.

My dear fool[Author],

If only poor look toward religion as a symbol of salvation then people like Osama bin ladin of Saudi Arabia, Bal Thackeray of India won`t be considered as terrorist.

The religious minorities such as the Quadianis, Ahmadiyas and the Parsees must be allowed their freedom to follow and practice their religious beliefs publicly

Have you being to pakistan`s any city?Unlike india where religious riot is quite common, Pakistan my dear, gave these minorities a lot of freedom which is not given in any other country, for example, our so called President General Musharraf is Qadiani, what else do you want.

Boris, rules pakistan`s hardware market, Parsee owns medium density commercial businees and so on.

On the contary, our Hindo friends who takes a great pride in discussing Islamic issue on this site, Shall i remind you, atlease we know what Islam is all about unlike you guys who are confuse which god to follow or whether dhropatti was raped or she was not happy sleeping with 5 man and wanted more.

Think about it

Parts of #28 are worth repeating.

This is a good article on a serious problem! Higher education does not happen in vacuum but gets built upon the edifice of lower level educational institutions – going all the way down to primary school – and then to one’s own home.

The solution to the problem needs to go deeper and in order to do any good – it must change the ongoing Pakistani familial pattern which has been reinforced through more and more determined repetitions ever since the partition.

As long as parents do not actively promote the thought process that “Islam is a religion – LIKE ANY OTHER RELIGION, and the religion needs to be used for one’s own individual spiritual betterment in one’s own private life without imposing on others” instead of the grandiose “Islam is the best thing since apple pie – Pakistan being founded on its basis is the next best thing so you better shut up or I will whip your ass – and if anybody else in the world says anything else then they must be part of this grand worldwide anti-Islam conspiracy” – a line so popular with so many Pakistanis, the problems will only get worse!

The wahabis thinks dogs are unclean but have no problems with making Pakiland their own female of the canine species

Backing US was compulsion, not choice: Kasuri

By Ahmed Hassan

ISLAMABAD, Nov 3: Foreign Minister Khurshid Mehmood Kasuri has said Pakistan took the right decision to join the international war on terrorism. Otherwise, he said, its fate would not have been different from that of Afghanistan and Iraq.

He was speaking at a Senate Foreign Affairs Committee meeting, which was summoned at the Parliament House on Friday mainly to discuss Monday’s air strike on a Bajaur seminary in which more than 80 people were killed, triggering country-wide protests and a wave of agitation in tribal areas. The meeting was presided over by the chairman of the committee, Mushahid Hussain Syed.

(According to Online, Mr Kasuri told the Senate committee that siding with the US was a compulsion and not a choice as Pakistan’s uncooperative attitude towards the US in the war against terrorism could have landed the country in a situation similar to that Iraq.)

The foreign minister came under severe criticism for what was described as lopsided foreign policy which, some senators said, had given the country nothing and taken away its sovereignty and dignity.

Mr Kasuri was asked questions relating to the Bajaur incident, fate of Northern areas and Pakistan-India talks. Some members criticised the government for the Bajaur incident and described it as a foreign policy failure.

Mr Kasuri said questions relating to the Bajaur operation should be addressed to the interior and defence ministries which were responsible for the country’s law and order situation and anti-terrorism operations, adding that he could not say if there was any US involvement in the bombing.

Maulana Samiul Haq, chief of his own faction of the Jamiat-i-Ulema-i-Islam (JUI), blamed the foreign policy for the loss of so many innocent lives and termed it extra-judicial killings.

Accusing the United States of orchestrating the attack, the Maulana said the Pakistani army could not be so cruel as to kill its own people in such a barbaric way.

He said if the government knew that there were terrorists hiding somewhere in the Bajaur Agency it could have sent security forces to the area to arrest them.

He said such an extreme action would have been justified if the militants had defied the writ of the government.

Maulana Haq rejected Mr Kasuri’s stand that had Pakistan refused to join the US-led anti-terror war the US would have taken action.

He asked the government to demonstrate courage and stop repeating such incidents in future.

At one point, Nisar A. Memon said that there was no mention of the country’s foreign policy on the foreign office’s official website, which reflected the inability of the foreign office to formulate and declare its policy while all other government departments had projected their policies.

Mr Kasuri admitted that Pakistan was forced to take action on its side of the border to satisfy Afghanistan and to remove their complaints. He said Pakistan was pursuing a policy of peaceful co-existence to subdue the hostile attitude of the Afghan leadership.

the more things change...

top leader of hindu al qaeda admits that macacas are beybus much like their ancestors.

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200611021219.htm

``Forgive me, but that is the reality. There is no other option but to continue its policy with Pakistan that it has, and therefore India would have to continue to pay a price,`` he added.

re:arjun2

The wahabis thinks dogs are unclean but have no problems with making Pakiland their own female of the canine species

Exactly.. maybe that is the reason why in middle east have more number of indians who are ready to work 1/4 the salary of an average labour and are ready to clean arabs shit without pay. I have personally seen 10 indians living in an small room..and i mean 1 room.

Its a tragedy that we are ruled by dictators who portray themselves everyday as a national heroes. Musharraf ang his gang one of them. Therefore there is not need to tell us what they are, we know they are moron and traitor to their country. chill and relax lets see the end game.

Uh hh - who put chilli up these two pakis`?..... :) All of a sudden disco mian is flopping up and down like monkey.... faisal mian is running round and round to catch his own a88....

I mean - arjun mian posts one article, and suddenly pakis are already burning up.... :)

Re: # 123

echo bhai, i have already suggested this in an earlier thread.

Re: # 126

No, it is true. It is one of the rewards which *all* Muslims will get in Paradise.

Re: # 122
not conspiracy theory i`m afraid but fact

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once you get rid of classical scholarship you open the door to wahabism which leads to terrorism.

#137 by Naqshbandi

[No, it is true. It is one of the rewards which *all* Muslims will get in Paradise]

Wow. That sounds fantastic! Houris AND Ghilmans! No wonder Ahmadiyyas like Manto want to force genuine Muslims to accept them as true Muslims! They want Houris and Ghilmans just like a true Muslim! NO WAY they are getting any. I don`t think they can fool Allah!

Thanks for your response.

So, what is the reward for pious Islamic ladies like Zeena etc. What do they get?

I did not find anything about thaqt in the Koran. So I would appreciate if you would let me know.

Thanks..

islam in action - subhanallah !

.... it seems that real islam (aka wahabism) is well and alive in the pakistan ...... these savages might not understand the concept of indoor toilets, personal hygiene, and sex with members of the same species, but they lead in the application of sharia as directed by their bedouin prophet ........... they might not be able to read or write or do simple arithmetic, but they are experts in law and jurisprudence ........... mashallah !

1. WANA: A Pakistani tribal council shaved the head of an alleged Taliban commander Friday and paraded him through a town bazaar as punishment for stealing cars, officials and residents said. Mohammad Nazar’s house was also destroyed and his belongings set on fire after the 30-year-old was blamed for a rash of vehicle thefts in South Waziristan district in the past few months, they told AFP.

2.MIRANSHAH: Local Taliban in North Waziristan beheaded an Islamic cleric for allegedly spying for the United States in Afghanistan, officials said on Friday. The decapitated body of Maulvi Salahuddin, 50, was found on Friday morning in Makeen area, 75 kilometres south of Miranshah. A note attached to the body warned: “The Maulvi was an American spy and all of you will face this (fate) if you follow him.”

3.PESHAWAR: Peshawar High Court (PHC) Chief Justice Tariq Pervaiz Khan has ordered women lawyers not to wear veils in courtrooms, saying they (the women lawyers) could neither be identified nor assist the court well in veils. Ms Anjum told Daily Times that there was a difference of opinion in the judiciary on the issue. “On one hand, Peshawar Sessions Judge Hayat Ali Shah tells women lawyers to wear veils when coming to his court, while the PHC chief justice wants women lawyers appearing in court without veils.”

............ it would be mistake to put away the daisy cutters and shut down guantanamo yet .........

Re: # 140 hamidm {``.... it would be [a] mistake to put away the daisy cutters and shut down guantanamo yet ....``}

This is where we have a major point of departure.

All the ills of primitivism, barbarianism, discrimination, fanaticism, militancy and homicidal psychopathology that you decry and condemn the anachronistic reactionary elements for, are valid in principle. But then you turn around and, in the same breath, propose very similar violent and ``primitive`` remedies as antedotes to this ``chronic disease`` [your term].

The world needs to see clearly that the impact of the actions of one side are in sharp contrast to the other. One side, the side that claims moral high ground, ought to be able to visibly demonstrate, not through apologitic rhetorics but through action on-the-ground, as measured, objectively, on the basis of its NET IMPACT on the lives and well being of the innocent multitudes.

Otherwise, how does a man from Mars make a moral distinction between the two sides?

If, for instance, the Bill of Rights has to be suspended in order to ``save`` it, then what difference does it make whether it was Abdul Wahab, or John Calvin whose zealotous followers destroyed that sacred document and all it once promised and stood for? Is it not the same thing as a military strongman suspending the civilian constitution in order to ``save`` the country?

...SR

Re: # 141

I am sure Hamid Saheb is no recommending daisy cutters for all of us........he certainly prescribes it for the literalists wahabists............the real problem are these chest thumping , sword brandishing ``pious`` type individuals who think they own the Pakistani constitution because they can quote from that choutiya Maududi.............they certainly need to be sent tp lunatic asylums - call these asylums as Gitmo or Commie style ``Correction Centres`` or whatever you want .........we need to send these mullahs (and some of these ``Peers`` and ``Shaykhs`` as well ) out of the civil society of Pakistan...........

Dengue Fever ... and proposed ``Quranic remedy``

In recent weeks there have been some reported cases of Dengue in Karachi. Understandably, hemorrhagic fevers invoke fear and anxiety and are a serious public health concern. Pakistan has a fourty year history of outbreak clusters of hemorrhagic fevers... Ebola, Dengue and whatnot... Each episode is followed by an anxious convulsion and media burst that soon dies out until next time. Very little co-ordinated effort (let along any long term comprehensive plan) is made following these sporadic episodes. There is malaise and complacency at all levels.

So, what is my point?

This malaise and complacency is somehow linked to a chronic sickness of the mind. Either its the cause or the effect, I cannot say. But each such outburst is followed by widespread suggestions of various ``Quranic remedies`` the mere recitation of which ostensibly confer protection aganist the biological agent`s assault. This would be bad enough if it were merely being advocated by some self-appointed, self-righteous, illiterate in some village outside Mardan. But no. It appears in the main stream, high circulation, urdu news papers.

Obviously, the editorial board members and other opinion makers in society must subscribe to such counter productive notions (unless they are calculating and cynical villians). This is the mindset that needs to be confronted and defeated in the ``war of ideas`` and not through economic opportunism, exploitation and violence.

...SR

Re: # 140

Hamidm Sahib:

``3.PESHAWAR: Peshawar High Court (PHC) Chief Justice Tariq Pervaiz Khan has ordered women lawyers not to wear veils in courtrooms, .... ``

May be you should send this to that teacher in England who wanted to teach in the class weraing the veil.

Anil