The Massacre at Bajaur

#462 by ranjit

[Guys, I thought I had seen every possible flavor of Indo-Pak rivalry and arguments ranging from Hinduism/Islam, Gandhi/Jinnah, Ghauri/Prithvi, Koran/Vedas etc. However, competing road photographs takes the cake!! Who says we desis are not innovative? :-)

This is the height of ridiculous Indo-Pak rivalry. No wonder George Allen calls us mecacas!!]

If you feel George Allen is justified in calling you a macaca, more power to you. But don`t associate yourself with me.

And try to refrain from pontificating. I realize that you have ``relatives`` on both sides of the border. But whatever your compulsions are to portray everything as a 50-50 slugfest, keep your opinion about me to yourself, at least until such time as you gain the maturity to not suddenly run away from a debate, without the minimum courtesy of admitting that you were wrong and have no argument.

Re: # 462

The credit for this goes to our buddy KrishnaABCD.

Dear Harish mian,

Poor VRV has no backing for his ``facts`` you see. He threw in the name ``Facts are Sacred`` knowing that the book was written by Wali Khan and despite my repeated appeals to him to produce exactly where it said that Jinnah did not save anyone in Karachi, he had no answer. BTW... Remember that you`ve still not apologised or returned to the board where I have invited you again and again after your lie about Jinnah not responding immediately to the DAD killings (which have been proved to be work of Congress Goondas). My offer is still open to you to pick up the thread from where you left off.


Dear VRV,

Yes H V Hodson was lying... all the historians were lying ... and even this fellow from Bombay is lying...



THERE has been quite an uproar over Mr L. K. Advani’s statements while in Pakistan about Mr M. A. Jinnah’s secular outlook. I wonder if what I had witnessed in Karachi during the riots in the first week of January 1948 would throw some light on the subject.

I forget the exact date — Jan 6 or 10, l948 — when riots broke out in Karachi and Hindus were at the receiving end. They were being killed and their houses looted. This went on for three days. Three attempts were made on us at our first floor house in Trikona (Triangular) Park area near Artillery Maidan. A nawab family on the second floor, who had migrated from Lucknow protected by their Hindu neighbours, saved us.

On the fourth day and not a day too soon, I was passing the Eidgah Maidan when I found Jinnah Sahib addressing the crowds. He had passionately spoken for about 10 to 15 minutes. He had his famous “Jinnah cap” in his hands upside down, extended towards the crowds, imploring them to desist from bloodshed and not to make Hindus the target of their wrath. His unforgettable words spoken in Urdu, which ring in my ears even today, were about Pakistan not having been created for the massacre of Hindus who had an equal right to live with Muslims and others in this “pak” (pure) land not to be made “napak” (impure) by killing them.

He desired the crowds to return and help in returning all the loot to their area police stations. He had sternly warned the masses that shoot-at-sight orders were being given to deal with offenders. And that did have a salutary effect as under the direct orders of the then military chief, the military did open fire a few times on the miscreants and riots came to a halt much to the relief of everyone including our family. It was a pleasant surprise to find the crowds returning the “loot” which piled up at Eidgah Maidan to form a mini hillock.

That was the only time I had seen and heard the creator of Pakistan. I owe my life to him and to my Muslim neighbours, the migrants from India.

HIRA GULRAJANI
Mumbai, India.

I actually did track down Mr. Gulrajani. You are welcomed to verify his story... Also this is not the only time. Jinnah had given orders to his forces to shoot and kill any Muslim who attacked a Hindu`s home. Now you can go on distorting history (that is what you do best) ... but you cannot deny that while Jinnah was busy putting violence down in Karachi, casteist racist Hindu fascist bigot Gandhi was engaged in a drama to prove to the world he was actually a saint. So go on fooling the people... but what matters is the truth- and I know that in you deep dark sordid heart you know what the truth is (which is why you are acting increasingly desperate on these boards.)


on IMF ... I think it goes without saying that your pathetic attempt to pass off GNP has failed... now given that the website says it is IMF estimate... just goes to prove that they have not depended on official country information.

Only someone like you will say that IMF estimate has no basis and that your nonsense on these boards is the gospel truth.

#452 by VRV

THE FACT HOWEVER REMAINS THAT JINNAH DIDNT SAVE ANYBODY IN KARACHI OR FOR THAT MATTER ANYWHERE IN INDIA OR PAKISTAN THEN OR EVER.

Yaar VRV, you are WRONG. Jinnah saved a Gandhi statue in Karachi when mobs were bent on tearing it down (you know, he even had tears in his eyes. How moving!). What he did not save were human beings, because human beings can reproduce to replace the dead ones, but can statues reproduce? That dear VRV, was the greatness of Jinnah!

However, you will never understand it, because you are a Gandhian! Gandhi believed in saving humans, who after all were expendable according to Jinnah (notice the call to Direct Action).

Re: # 469 by jang on November 13, 2006 4:04pm PT

Dear jang:

{#468 behramji your posts are offcourse invaluable, but you are wrong many times.}

Hindoos have consistently hated the advanced degreed engineers from Pakistan. It just shows that my evaluation, as always, is correct. Due to the numerical advantage of 1:8, if there is only 1 engineering business in my state by a person from Pakistan, then of course by this ratio of 1:8, one should see at least 8 professional engineering businesses run by Hindoos. However, we have not come across any hindoo businesses in structural engineering (Oh! look at all those super highway pictures that your hindoo zaat likes to brag about). But, who were the designers? Larson and Toubro?

Where are those structural engineering businesses by people from Hindoo Land in the US.

OK. Let me humiliate you in another way.

If we, the successful engineers from Pakistan are successful in our own engineering business, given the odds against us, then one would admit, that the serving Pakistani engineers are awesome.

Looking at it in yet, another way, we did not take refuge like some unsuccessful hindoo engineer thug in the up and coming technology business. Can you get it?

Ok. Do you want yet another point to get humiliated?

Well, I leave it for some other time. All this bogus issues that Hindoos on average make more than an engineer from Pakistan, defies generally accepted logic. How in the world can a person on teachers salary, or on a bureaucratic salary make more than the person who is in his private professional engineering business. And that too with the hindoo ratio of 8:1.

But, being from India, you may have learnt the fuzzy math that was so aptly disproved earlier. Your hindoo RSS team does not even know the difference between GDP and GNP. No wonder your country is still useless after so many years of independence.

Respectfully submitted,


P.S. Do you also suffer from autism?

Jang:

Thank you for validating what I have suggesting all along. Here is how your claim is nullified.

{History:

The evolution of L&T into the country`s largest engineering and construction organizations is among the more remarkable success stories in Indian industry. The company was founded in Bombay (Mumbai) in 1938 by two Danish engineers, Henning Holck-Larsen and Soren Kristian Toubro - both of whom were strongly committed to developing India`s engineering talent and enabling it to meet the demands of industry. Beginning with the import of machinery from Europe, L&T rapidly took on engineering and construction assignments of increasing sophistication. Today, the company sets engineering benchmarks in terms of scale and complexity.}

Well, any more great engineering company in India, eh. You all had 60 years and all you could do is have some Banged Galore autism infected code coolies. Yet another proof that Hindoos have been infected with this disease of autism. Most of them are just stuck with degrading the greatness of Pakistani engineers.

Autism amongst Hindoos are very common, it just has not been diagnosed as of yet.

Re: # 468

How about Mahindra? They sell their automobiles in Europe. I have heard advertisements
for Mahindra Tractors on KLBJ 590AM in Austin so many times.

#468 by behram1 on November 13, 2006 3:47pm PT


hello retardoman...we`re STILL waiting for you to tell us the name of the super-duper old economy company founded by the super-duper paki engineers...

or is a smalltime contracting company all you`ve got?

#468 behramji your posts are offcourse invaluable, but you are wrong many times. here the profile for L&T. its not a foreign company, it never was. what about boeing? where did that come from?

respectfully submitted

http://www.larsentoubro.com/about.htm

You guys are still not getting it, or do you?

Except for Larson and Toubro (a foreign engineering company) what other local engineering companies are there in India that is world renowned. O! yeah, yeah, then there is Tata (a company started during the time of the Raj)

Shucks, can`t you guys understand that engineers from Pakistan are still better than those made in India. Most of them have their own consulting engineering businesses, and what about the Indian engineering naukars, who are employed, just as some good furniture.

Hindoo butts are on fire, eh!

So, who was that structural engineer that became world famous? eh! Sure, sure the Bengali chap, and not Pakistani.

Array wah reh wah, jang, just getting confused as usual, huh!.

Boeing gives you guys extended loan program to buy their aircraft, some financial khairat, and you think this is because you have some engineering superiority. Your society has not written a single engineering text book that is world renowned. All you have is copied materials as Theraja, etc. All you guys do is ``day chaapo``, and then, you don`t even give credit to the authors, and you consider this to be your country`s superior engineering curriculum, eh!

a rosy survey-report on old-world manufacturing report..

http://www.siliconindia.com/shownews/33865

``The relentless emphasis that Indian companies have placed on continuously enhancing design and engineering skills, building new capabilities for product and technology innovation and in leveraging resources from around the world to provide value to customers are contributing in transforming `Made in India` into a global brand,`` stated Kaura.

``In fact, manufacturing in India is now acquiring a whole new dimension. While many low-end jobs are being outsourced to India, the manufacturing sector is also turning into the design and manufacturing hub of the world,`` says the report.

Be it industrial robot manufacturer Gudel or auto giant BMW or South Korean consumer goods giant LG, India has become a key manufacturing destination for a large number of global players. It is already a preferred destination for the manufacture of auto components, bulk drugs and producer services such as software, finance and several others.

#465 by jang on November 13, 2006 11:36am PT

please don`t burst retardoman`s self-delusionary bubble...

welch R&D center site is pretty informative for some of the engineering/tech talent available in india in areas other than IT.

http://www.ge.com/research/grc_3_3_4.html

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At the John F. Welch Technology Centre (JFWTC) in Bangalore, scientists, researchers and engineers are part of a global team of innovators that work on high-impact technology areas such as: Electromagnetic Analytics, Composite Material Design, Color Technology, Additive Technology, Non-Destructive Evaluation, Corrosion Technology, MEMS, Molecular Modeling, Power Electronics, Analysis Technologies, Computational Fluid Dynamics and Engineering Analysis.

In total, we have labs at JFWTC that touch nearly every scientific discipline across the spectrum. These teams work on GE`s global technology initiatives and help create game-changing technologies and innovations to ensure GE has continued growth and leadership.

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Re: # 447

``Anil, Myself from 1994 batch. Regards``

Welcome, now kick some IIT butts. In my days DCE had better performance record than IITs. More jobs went to DCE graduates than IIT graduates in Engineering Services. Repeat this performance. The current principal of DCE, was at Univ. of Birmingham at the same time as I was there.

Anil

Array Lord Krishna:

Pakistan still has much better engineers than hindoo land can ever think of?

Why is it that you guys don`t trumpet your structural engineers? or for that matter your mechanical engineers? or where is your power engineers? or your water resources? Your country was taken for a ride, and you wonder why Pakistanis are so much developed, eh!

Where are your engineers? Those who were ever made are now government baabujee or stuck in the academia. How many hindoo authored books are being taught in the US engineering classes? eh!

Just having all the bogus bakwas as usual. Keep up the good work and your country`s stupidity will be exposed. Your society deserve to be exposed and humiliated. You have no engineers in the US, and that is a fact.

And any that were made in the past decade or so were badly sucked into the wet dreams of hi-tech and hence have become code coolies. So much for the hindoo ruling elite. Guys who are not elected run your sham democracy. What would they know how to run an economy based on your country`s core competency. No wonder China has left your hindoo land in the dust bin of economy. Maybe you should now realize that hindoo land has no core competency. (Michael Porter may write another book on how to develop a nation without any core competencies and how to screw up a nation of over 1 Billion)

Garbage in Hindoo out (GIHO), eh!

Re:manto and krishna_abcd

Guys, I thought I had seen every possible flavor of Indo-Pak rivalry and arguments ranging from Hinduism/Islam, Gandhi/Jinnah, Ghauri/Prithvi, Koran/Vedas etc. However, competing road photographs takes the cake!! Who says we desis are not innovative? :-)

This is the height of ridiculous Indo-Pak rivalry. No wonder George Allen calls us mecacas!!