The Massacre at Bajaur

#492 by Yasser

This ofcourse has not happened to you the first time but you seem to be inherently shameless. This is what happens when you put your faith in on line nicks and try to present them as the gospel of the truth.

Hey Yasser, why are you trying to cling on to someone`s coattails, instead of answering the question that I put to you after your pompous declaration of how `bigshot` Paki engineers are working for major US companies? After almost 300 posts, all you have is my claim, despite your statement about getting back with specifics on the ``tens of thousands of Paki engineers``. If that is so, then I also claimed that there is 1 Paki engineer for every 15-20 Indians in the US. You must accept that one too, or is it that you only accept those that suit your views? I wouldn`t be surprised if that is so.

At least I produced a list of Indians working at Microsoft at the Vice-President level, all Yasser could do was name some mid-level Pakis and worse, try to pass them off as some `bigshot` Pakis...LOL!

The facts are that you know very well that Pakistani Engineers are employed in all those companies and I think the issue is very much settled. You can go on repeating yourself like a broken record but you admitted it yourself and there is no point trying to change goal posts.

Aww really? How is the issue settled when you haven`t provided any shred of evidence whatsoever to back your claim that ``tens of thousands`` statement? And do you even understand what changing goalposts means? You were the one changing goalposts when you cleverly tried to steer this discussion away from one of comparative numbers to one of comparative salaries, by producing that article by the IEEE President which said that Paki engineers were being paid the same that Indians were being paid.

As for broken records, the fact that you have been going on and on exposing Gandhi over the last 5 years with absolutely no takers (no, not even Pakis are buying Yasser`s snake oil) comes closest to the behavior of a broken record.

Dear Harish mian,

ROTFLMAO!! indeed... literally. If I had a penny for every time you tried to seek reassurance for your inadequacies, and instead of a reassurance you got a stinging slap on your face.

Harish mian: ``On Chowk, there are reasonable Pakis like teshah, Raw_Dust, hamidm2, even Okhla, who recognize the strides India has made in trying to provide a just and equitable platform for people of all castes, creeds, and religions.``

Okhla: No one has even believed, let alone ``recognised`` these immense strides towards Social equity that India is taking every day.

This ofcourse has not happened to you the first time but you seem to be inherently shameless. This is what happens when you put your faith in on line nicks and try to present them as the gospel of the truth.

I, for one, don`t need reaffirmation from any anonymous nick. The facts are that you know very well that Pakistani Engineers are employed in all those companies and I think the issue is very much settled. You can go on repeating yourself like a broken record but you admitted it yourself and there is no point trying to change goal posts. Same goes for Devkant bhai.

Devkant Bhai,

We`ve already established that there are Pakistani engineers in American companies, Pakistani companies on NASDAQ and that your fermilab link is not working. We already established that you are either very naive or very dishonest for trying to pass off GNP as GDP and we`ve already established that if Pakistan is crap, India is ranked below it.
Now get on with the programme yaar.

Krishna,

Abusing me will not change any facts. Indian reality indeed is the female of the canine species. Now go celebrate your ``Two lane`` highways as the great Indian achievement.

Re:krishna_abcd

[..But don`t associate yourself with me....]

Believe me, I have no intentions to associate with you. Carry on with your pathetic postings by cutting and pasting road photographs, as if you are scoring great points against Manto.

[..not suddenly run away from a debate, without the minimum courtesy of admitting that you were wrong and have no argument....]

Sorry, I cannot stoop to your level of debating since you just keep insulting whoever you disagree with while continously repeating outrageous statements. Debating requires the capability to listen and analyze other people`s point of view - something that you have yet to learn.

By the way, before you ask, I am a hindu of sindhi background, brahmin caste, who attended IIT Delhi. I am mentioning that before you start insulting my background, as per your habits. :-)

#488 by okhla99

Read this from a previous posting at Chowk by that lovely haramimau ..

While we have our harimaus, you have your Urstrulys, Naqshbandis, Masadis, and Yassers. Anomalies exist everywhere, don`t they?

#488 by okhla99

No one has even believed, let alone ``recognised`` these immense strides towards Social equity that India is taking every day.

Yaar Okhla, I should have merely said there are reasonable Pakis (for the fact that you recognize that Jinnah was not perfect, unlike some specimens here). I probably shouldn`t have included you in ``those who recognize India`s immense strides``. Apologies!

Re: # 485

Highly respected Harish_hyd

No one has even believed, let alone ``recognised`` these immense strides towards Social equity that India is taking every day. Read this from a previous posting at Chowk by that lovely haramimau ..

``When I go to a roadside temple near my home for a special puja, I deliberately wear a dhoti but no upper garments. You should see what happens: the sight of the sacred thread around my torso parts the crowd who stand a respectful foot away from me so that I won`t be defiled by their touch. This in the city of Chennai after 75 years of anti-Brahmin propaganda. Hey, I like that. ``

Come out and face the female of the canine species... reality.

Re: # 484

``24 hour water supply`` typo may most kindly be condoned. Incionvenience caused is regretted.

#485 by harish_hyd

``If we`re struggling to enforce it, it is not because of the system per se, but the entrenched mindsets that refuse to change because of perceived and imagined grievances.``

Please read it as:

``If we`re struggling to enforce it, it is not because of the system per se, but the entrenched mindsets that refuse to change because of real and imagined grievances.``

#481 by krishna_abcd

Pakis are delusional. I used to work with a Paki who claimed that the education system in Pakiland is just as good as India, and its engineering graduates just as good as for example the IITs produce.

Yaar Ajeya, I`d rather confine myself to commenting on Yasser, and from what I observed, the fool is a revelation. On Chowk, there are reasonable Pakis like teshah, Raw_Dust, hamidm2, even Okhla, who recognize the strides India has made in trying to provide a just and equitable platform for people of all castes, creeds, and religions. If we`re struggling to enforce it, it is not because of the system per se, but the entrenched mindsets that refuse to change because of perceived and imagined grievances. Hopefully, as literacy and education improve, and people get the necessary opportunities to better themselves, things will change. Not for a moment should we think that we`ve reached that stage, but it is a fact that we are on the right track, unlike Pakistan where religion is still the dominant discourse, even 60 years after Jinnah thought the issue was settled.

#480 by okhla99

[24 hour power supply in all cities you claim ????? Check out this....

http://navdanya.org/earthdcracy/water/index.htm ]



I did. No mention about power. You can`t even find the word ``power`` in the whole page.

Is this about power, or water?

What kind of Paki logic is this?

#479 by Yasser

This issue has been put to rest ... you yourself admitted that there were Pakistani engineers you knew in major US companies. Whether they were tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands is another issue... and only incidental to the discussion here.

And how has that ``been put to rest``? Have you provided evidence to show ``tens of thousands of Paki `bigshot` engineers were working for major US companies``? No?

In the real world, when someone claims something, the claim must stand the rigors of supporting evidence, otherwise, it remains just that.

FTR, here`s what Yasser claimed in #132:

I personally know a lot of alumni from University of Engineering and Technology, GIKI, NED University and NUST are employed in...

MOTOROLLA,
NOKIA
MICROSOFT
CISCO
INTEL
SAS

They number in tens of thousands last I checked... but I`ll get back with specifics...

Almost a week later, there is absolutely no sign of specifics. In fact the fool has to rely on my statement to ``prove`` his claim.

``#445 by Mantolives on November 13, 2006 5:21am PT
Re: # 440

Clever... I see you are trying to back out of the discussion by declaring that I am a chowk employee and yet when I don`t respond to your garbage you declare victory. In any event, I shall continue to respond to your posts if and when I consider it necessary. ``

you don`t respond to my garbage!!!! lets see which garbage you haven`t responded to!!!!

1) no names of any pakistanis in the top 3 positions in major US companies have been given till date. when we provide names of indians, you say that you have never heard the names of those losers.

2) you tried to evade harsh truths by bringing gdp figures. once those figures were put in doubt, you have gone to great lenghts to persuade us here that those figures are correct and all that is published everywhere else is BS.

3) you have yet not mentioned the name of even a single pakistani company that was involved in a billion dollar take over. when i mention the Tatas, you accuse me of receiving marketing money from them. you try to belittle the tatas by saying that they are an old company and hence they are big. so that means that all new companies are small according to your logic.

4) when we refute your ridiculous claim of indian scientists not being in fermi labs, you claim that the link we provide does not work. i think its your brain that does not work.

5) when we provide you with a link that gives you a list of indian companies on US exchanges, you simply evade that issue by keeping quiet.

and dude....i`m not trying to back out of the discussion. its just that unlike you, i have a great life outside chowk and i intend to maintain it by earning money.

rgds,
devkant.

#478 by harish_hyd

harish,

Pakis are delusional. I used to work with a Paki who claimed that the education system in Pakiland is just as good as India, and its engineering graduates just as good as for example the IITs produce. In all other respects, he seemed like a normal guy. So it`s no point arguing with them or throwing facts and figures at them. Even when they are signing a surrender declaration, they`ll claim victory. It is their Islamic upbringing. 1 Muslim = 10 Hindu etc. It is drilled into their brain from childhood. I mean, look around the world. Muslims look like losers everywhere with their covert and overt support for jehad and camel piss arguments. Dictators, lousy economies propped up by oil that they did nothing to deserve, no progress in the sciences. But they will keep blaming everybody, and falling behind everybody.

Facts are useless for a Paki. The conditioning is too strong.

Pyaare Krishna Murari,

24 hour power supply in all cities you claim ????? Check out this....

http://navdanya.org/earthdcracy/water/index.htm

Stop living in a fools paradise. Do a reality check -- female of the canine species as
Arjun would say, izntit ??




Manto, Harish, VRV

Both Gandhi and Jinnah had their individual shortcomings. But then who does not ???
Both also had major coefficients of greatness. It does not behoove us to belittle them for
their faults.





Also check out the abduction of 3 year old children in India.

http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/nov/14boy.htm


India shining... indeed....

Re: # 478

Dear Harish mian,

What a cop out. This issue has been put to rest ... you yourself admitted that there were Pakistani engineers you knew in major US companies. Whether they were tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands is another issue... and only incidental to the discussion here.

The DAD discussion (and the Tailor discussion as well ``Bourke White`s`` discussion) as you know predates this discussion... so I am rather surprised (actually amused) that you want to make the wrapping up of this discussion as a precondition to revisiting those discussions. One can only conclude, that as with this discussion, there too you have no point and are simply trying to alter goal posts to gain unfair advantage.

#475 by Yasser

Remember that you`ve still not apologised or returned to the board where I have invited you again and again after your lie about Jinnah not responding immediately to the DAD killings (which have been proved to be work of Congress Goondas). My offer is still open to you to pick up the thread from where you left off.

Hey Yasser, right on this very board, you have miserably failed to answer the questions with the evidence which you yourself offered to provide (``I`ll get back with the specifics``) in response to your comment on how ``tens of thousands of Paki ``bigshot`` engineers were working for major US companies``. When pressed, you shamefully tried to divert it on to their comparative salaries, which never was an issue, because if we cannot trust individuals, we can at least trust market forces to reward people based on their abilities and not their countries of origin. In between, you cleverly tried to implicate me by saying that I made the claim that there were no Paki engineers in US, when in fact, it was I who said that I had Paki colleagues when I was there. When I produced my statement to that effect, you simply fled from there, sneaking in after making sure no one was available to answer you. Then you said, your time was greatly important, but I provided evidence to show that you were posting more than anyone else, and unimaginably more than I ever can, leading us to conclude that you were not gainfully employed, which is why the long hours on Chowk.

If you can, provide at least a dozen names of ``Paki `bigshot` engineers who were working for major US companies, we can call the debate off and move over to the other board to discuss Jinnah`s purported statements in response to the DAD violence.