The Massacre at Bajaur

Classic Romair...

``quite an informative experience.......really got things from the horse`s mouth and learned more about pakistan than i had in my whole life before.........far too much, ``inside`` information to write it all here........some nuggets that people may be interested in:.........the current ruling party, pml(q) was actually set up by the efforts of one serving major general.........he was given the task of threatening the politicians and forcing them to become lotas........``


You just found that out? And by spending time and learning more about Pakistan than ever before? And you still got it wrong didn`t you... the mastermind of the ruling PML is an ex-income tax department civil servant...

#125 by behram1 on November 7, 2006 3:48pm PT
``It is the Hindoos, who are full of it, which I have been mentioning here on the Chowk for a long time. When it comes to the greatness of Pakistanis, Hindoo jealousy knows no boundaries. Just don`t worry about Pakistani Engineers in the US (and that is how this string of posts got started). We are doing just fine in our professional businesses. ``

Sir ji, you can keep barking what ever you like. Since we Indians belive in freedom of speech and expression, we will not ask you to stop. But we don`t see the harm in asking you to back up your barking with hard facts. In case you can not provide facts, your barking will only remain barking.

Regarding the greatness of pakistani engineers, please do let us indians know some of the following: -

1) Which was the last pakistani company that was involved in a billion dollar take over deal in the west. (For the Indians it was Tata Steel)

2) Which is the famous pakistani engineering institute which has produced world class engineers and whose alumni have been involved in some of the top most engineering companies world wide. Please do give some names of the alumni too. (For the Indians its The Indian Institute of Technology and I will give you the name of 1 very famous alumni. The alumni is Mr. Narayan Murthy. more can be provided on request. The last we indians heard was that the indian govt had agreed to reserve 2 seats in all iit`s for pakistani students. I don`t think that the proposal got off the ground though.)

3) How many pakistani engineering companies are listed on the the Nasdaq (Indian companies include Satyam Computers, Infosys Tech, Wipro etc).

Hopefully finding the answers to these questions should keep your busy for the rest of your life.

Rgds,

devkant.

Re: # 130

I suppose when an Indian is an underachieving scounderel and utterly without a life (we all know how Indians live in the US), one revels in ``achievements`` like these.

Despite all these imaginary successes.... my friend... you brilliant country is still below Pakistan on GDP Per Capita scale according to IMF (don`t get into the PPP GDP/capita debate... we all know under reporting of Inflation is a major concern for those who use this standard)...

As for the questions you asked...

1. This is nonsense. TATA has been around for a long time... I am sure in time Pakistani companies will get there. This is hardly something that should get you jerking off in public.

2. I will get back to you on this one as soon as I get sometime... my guess is that another Indian idol is going down ... and I ain`t no Mahmud Ghaznavi man.

3. Will get back to you on this one as well.

Re: # 131

PS: I personally know a lot of alumni from University of Engineering and Technology, GIKI, NED University and NUST are employed in...

MOTOROLLA,
NOKIA
MICROSOFT
CISCO
INTEL
SAS

They number in tens of thousands last I checked... but I`ll get back with specifics...

The best example of how pakistani engineering is put to use: -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6127262.stm

Pakistan suicide blast kills 35

A suicide bomber has blown himself up at an army parade ground in north-west Pakistan, killing at least 35 soldiers, officials say.
About 20 people were wounded in the attack, which happened at a training ground in the town of Dargai in North West Frontier province.

Dargai is said to be a stronghold of a pro-Taleban militant group.

An eyewitness, Aurangzeb, told the BBC he saw soldiers picking up scattered body parts minutes after the explosion.

``The victims were dying. Their shoes and caps were scattered all over the place,`` he said.

Tribesmen in the area had rallied against Islamabad`s alliance with the US after an air strike on an alleged militant camp at an Islamic school last week.

President Pervez Musharraf said the 80 people killed in the air strike were militants, not students as protesters say.

Pakistan has deployed nearly 80,000 troops along the border to hunt militants who sought refuge after the ousting of the Taleban in Afghanistan in 2001.

#130 by devkant

Hopefully finding the answers to these questions should keep your busy for the rest of your life.

Hey Devkant, why do you have to kick so hard on the collective Paki groin like this? They`re already scratching their heads in wonder as to why Allah`s chosen people, despite having a higher per capita income compared to their tormentors in chief, the abominable neighbors to the east, have to strip down to their underwears when they land on European/American soil. Added to that insult is the fact that despite being a Major Non-NATO Ally, the US has barred direct flights originating in that blessed land. Even worse is the fact that they comprise one of the largest groups of inmates at camp Gitmo. Shouldn`t you give them the long rope?

PS: isn`t it Motorola and not MOTOROLLA?

As for Pakistani companies listed on Nasdaq...

Just a quick search .... got me this:

In 1996, Lahore`s NetSol Technologies Inc. (NTWK ) won a contract from Mercedes-Benz Leasing Co. in Thailand to install a software program from Britain. Later the company developed its own package, which it went on to sell to DaimlerChrysler (DCX ) in nine Asian countries. The NASDAQ-listed company now has 270 employees and this year expects sales of $10 million. In April NetSol signed a $2.3 million deal with Toyota Motor Corp. (TM ) and hopes to expand into Europe.

This was in May 2005....

Re: # 133

Abay ...

When you get a chance to get out of the mailroom of that pathetic establishment you work at.... take a look at the list of project managers at INTEL and Microsoft in San Jose

Needless to say you`ll find several dozen Pakistanis... atleast two of them, close relatives of mine.

Manto mian,

(you brilliant country is still below Pakistan on GDP Per Capita scale according to IMF)

I am not sure of that. Maybe you could correct me by quoting the source. In any case GDP/capita of neither country would be worth writing home about.

But I am glad u have finally admitted that my country is brilliant. I am sure in good time you will agree that the old goat was a Mahatma.

Regards

Re: # 134

Oh genius you got me there. I probably don`t know how to spell Motorola/Motorolla....

Now that obviously means that Pakistanis are not employed there...

Amazing logic ... coming from a call center employee.

Re: # 137

Certainly:

Rank Country GDP
per capita
1 Luxembourg 80,288
2 Norway 64,193
3 Iceland 52,764
4 Switzerland 50,532
5 Ireland 48,604
6 Denmark 47,984
7 Qatar 43,110
8 United States 42,000
9 Sweden 39,694
10 Netherlands 38,618
11 Finland 37,504
12 Austria 37,117
13 United Kingdom 37,023
14 Japan 35,757
15 Belgium 35,712
16 Canada 35,133
17 Australia 34,740
18 France 33,918
19 Germany 33,854
20 Italy 30,200
21 United Arab Emirates 27,700
22 Spain 27,226
23 Singapore 26,836
24 New Zealand 26,464
25 Kuwait 26,020
26 Brunei 25,754
27 Hong Kong, People`s Republic of China 25,493
28 Greece 20,327
29 Cyprus 20,214
30 Israel 19,248
31 Bahrain 18,403
32 The Bahamas 18,062
33 Portugal 17,456
34 Netherlands Antilles, Netherlands 17,270
35 Slovenia 16,986
36 South Korea 16,308
37 Republic of China (Taiwan) 15,203
38 Malta 13,803
39 Saudi Arabia 13,410
40 Oman 12,664
41 Trinidad and Tobago 12,625
42 Czech Republic 12,152
43 Barbados 11,088
44 Saint Kitts and Nevis 10,895
45 Hungary 10,814
46 Antigua and Barbuda 10,727
47 Estonia 9,727
48 Slovakia 8,775
49 Croatia 8,675
50 Seychelles 8,556
51 Poland 7,946
52 Lithuania 7,446
53 Mexico 7,298
54 Chile 7,124
55 Latvia 6,862
56 Libya 6,696
57 Botswana 6,439
58 Gabon 6,397
59 Equatorial Guinea 6,205
60 Lebanon 6,034
61 Russia 5,349
62 Uruguay 5,274
63 South Africa 5,106
64 Turkey 5,062
65 Malaysia 5,042
66 Mauritius 5,029
67 Venezuela 5,026
68 Saint Lucia 4,963
69 Argentina 4,799
70 Panama 4,794
71 Grenada 4,670
72 Costa Rica 4,620
73 Romania 4,539
74 Brazil 4,320
75 Belize 4,146
76 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 3,950
77 Dominica 3,947
78 Kazakhstan 3,717
79 Jamaica 3,657
80 Bulgaria 3,459
81 Dominican Republic 3,411
82 Turkmenistan 3,406
83 Fiji 3,349
84 Algeria 3,086
85 Belarus 3,031
86 Namibia 3,022
87 Serbia 2,880
88 Peru 2,841
89 Tunisia 2,829
90 Republic of Macedonia 2,810
91 Iran 2,767
92 Ecuador 2,761
93 Albania 2,673
94 Thailand 2,659
95 Colombia 2,656
96 Suriname 2,637
97 El Salvador 2,468
98 Bosnia and Herzegovina 2,384
99 Maldives 2,350
100 Swaziland 2,336
101 Jordan 2,317
102 Angola 2,129
103 Tonga 2,106
104 Cape Verde 2,066
105 Guatemala 1,995
106 Samoa 1,832
107 Republic of the Congo 1,785
108 Ukraine 1,766
109 Morocco 1,713
110 People`s Republic of China 1,709
111 Iraq 1,700 [1]
112 Vanuatu 1,530
113 Azerbaijan 1,493
114 Georgia 1,480
115 Syrian Arab Republic 1,464
116 Paraguay 1,288
117 Indonesia 1,283
118 Egypt 1,265
119 Sri Lanka 1,200
120 Philippines 1,168
121 Honduras 1,148
122 Armenia 1,140
123 Bhutan 1,126
124 Guyana 1,039
125 Bolivia 993
126 Djibouti 973
127 Cameroon 952
128 Côte d`Ivoire 900
129 Moldova 861
130 Nicaragua 850
131 Sudan 820
132 Senegal 738
133 Mongolia 736
134 Pakistan 728
135 India 705
136 Nigeria 678
137 Kiribati 672
138 Mauritania 663
139 Papua New Guinea 662
140 Chad 654
141 Zambia 627
142 Lesotho 621
143 Vietnam 618
144 Comoros 615
145 Solomon Islands 611
146 Benin 592
147 Yemen 586
148 Kenya 560
149 Ghana 512
150 Laos 485
151 Haiti 478
152 Kyrgyz Republic 473
153 Uzbekistan 444
154 Mali 432
155 Burkina Faso 430
156 Cambodia 430
157 São Tomé and Príncipe 430
158 Bangladesh 400
159 Zimbabwe 383
160 Togo 377
161 Tajikistan 364
162 Guinea 355
163 Timor-Leste 352
164 Tanzania 336
165 Central African Republic 335
166 Mozambique 331
167 Nepal 322
168 The Gambia 306
169 Uganda 303
170 Afghanistan 300
171 Madagascar 282
172 Niger 274
173 Rwanda 242
174 Sierra Leone 223
175 Myanmar 219
176 Eritrea 209
177 Guinea-Bissau 190
178 Liberia 161
179 Malawi 161
180 Ethiopia 153
181 Democratic Republic of the Congo 119 [2]
182 Burundi 107


[edit] Source
International Monetary Fund, World Economic Outlook Database, September 2006 [1]

Manto,

(The NASDAQ-listed company now has 270 employees and this year expects sales of $10 million. In April NetSol signed a $2.3 million deal with Toyota Motor Corp. (TM ) and hopes to expand into Europe. )

I suspect an Indian software co. of that size and getting that kind of order won`t merit much attention in any press, even if it was located in Patna, Bihar for instance.

Regards

and monto bhai....

your people started of about indian and pakistani companies. do not dilute the arguement by talking rubbish that since the tata`s have been around for a long time, this is hardly something we should be talking in public. I gave you guys an indian example fair and square. have the decency to admit facts.

if you want to talk about new companies, let me give you some names of indian companies that made it big after partition: Reliance group, Infosys, Wipro (if you talk about their vegetable oil business, then they are an old co., but if you talk only about their infotech business, they are a new company), TCS, Hindalco, Grasim, Bharti Airtel, HDFC Bank (this bank had won the award for being the soundest bank in asia a couple of years back), ICICI Bank, Ranbaxy, Cipla, Dr. Reddy`s Labs, etc etc etc.

Dude, I can go on and on and on. god knows how many company`s in the range of $ 100 mn and $ 500 mn have the above companies taken over in the west in the last few years.

and 1 more thing, don`t cry about the fact that since india is a big country so these guys get more opportunities to make it big etc etc etc. There are plently of countries smaller than india and pakistan that have bigger companies.

rgds,

devkant.

Re: # 140

Ziyada baray bol na bolo mian...

Most people in Patna and Bihar don`t have clean drinking water let alone such deals.

This - btw - was taken from an International magazine in 2005.

Re: # 141

Aww... did I hurt the poor baby...

I answered your question. You spoke of Nasdaq and Pakistani engineers in major US companies...

It is you who should have the decency of accepting the facts.

#138 by Yasser

Amazing logic ... coming from a call center employee.

Hey Yasser, what it means is that even a lowly ``call center employee`` would know better English than someone who claims to be educated at Rutgers (is there a Madarssah in New Jersey?) and is supposedly employed with ``one of the top law firms in Pakistan``. Just curious, how do they argue cases in Pakistan, in Urdu or Punjabi?

You don`t have to answer that question if it makes you touchy.