The Massacre at Bajaur

Urstruly:
Musharraf was following Mohammad by destroying the mosque of munafiqs. So, i think you should chill out a bit. Your tax dollars for hell-fire missile might have up your credit ratings in Heavens for facilitating sunnah e rasool.


hamidm:
the day these tribals/talibans will take over the areas of nwfp and northpunjab on their way to srinagar - i think you would still be cheering for your pathetic free-kashmir wet dreams.

Re: # 49

See, that is what I am arguing about; the war has crossed the moral borders already so that the life of the school children of the ``other`` has no value or meaning and you people still think that cats are dreaming chichray.

Re: # 48

The basic premis of your contention is wrong. Musharaf is NOT the President of Pakistan. He is a rogue general who was fired by an elected PM and he came into power by toppling an elected government. This criminal is installed on us by Washington and supported by a corrupt westernized class that oppresses Pakistan. He is doing exactly what he was installed to do.

#48 by bulleya on November 6, 2006 1:12pm PT


no one should be allowed to indiscriminately kill a citizen of pakistan, from the air or ground.........and then simply apologize afterwards


Umm..the US government hasn`t apologized..


reported the previous attack was done by a usa predator, disappeared for three months, and was then found dead.......


And there were reports about his family blaming the intel agencies..paki intel agencies..


..........you need to simply ask yourself the following question:...........would the usa bomb an apartment complex in michigan


Pakistan ain`t michigan..you have no choice or say in the matter..


...........the president of pakistan needs to do what the majority of pakistanis want him to do.........after all he is the president of pakistan.


yeah...elected with 98% in the referendum...

but then again, what the majority of Pakistanis want means squat..This is a direct result of your government encouraging islamic fundamentalism as a tool of the state..

hamidm2 # 38,

Hello! Hope you are doing fine.
``if they did what they are supposed to do``
I think they are doing what they are supposed to do, which is decided by outsiders.

``silly kashmir issue``
Either way, the LN Mittals and the Tatas and the Azim Premji would have continued to do what they wanted to whether kashmir was with india or not. The question is would pakistan have been different, or is kashmir just an excuse.

Adios

anil #25: .........you have asked too many difficult questions for me to answer.......my point was simply that pakistan should not allow the usa to kill its citizens........and that pakistan needs to stay out of us wars......it has gained nothing from being the frontline state for a country with which it has an 11 hour time difference........

..........as for the middle east.......i agree with you that iran is (potentially) a power.......i also agree that it is in the usa`s interests to have a good relationship with it........however, us middle east policy is heavily influenced by israel........and i don`t see how israel can tolerate a nuclear iran, with oil and influence in the middle east...........moreso the arab states (specifically sunni ones) will not tolerate a powerful iran.........

........so the only other course for the usa is to do what it is currently doing.......have excellent relations with saudi monarchy to get oil.........and have good relations with pakstan to ensure pipeline access to central asia..........while simultaneously isolating iran to appease isreal........and simultaneously supporting dictatorships of some sort in countries that border israel (egypt, jordan etc.)..........

...........as for pakistan, it should build a fence at the afghan border and isolate itself from afghanistan.........it should have excellent relations with iran as the two countries have a lot in common.........it should also have excellent relations with sri lanka and bangladesh........it should offer india free trade and open borders, with the pre-condition that india give kashmiris self-determination...........and most of all it should try to stay away from the foreign policy of a country, which is half way around the world.........

Re: # 49 raw

the old kashmir ghost is back and for some reason - has caste a spell over hamidm gopinath, of all people... he [and couple of other pakis] are back to chanting ``kashmir, kashmir``...

Why dp Pakis always move in circles?... vicious circles with no exit points... I mean - after daisy-cutter, hellfires and what not - you would think pakis have found an exit point from the stranglehold of vicious bedouin philosophy - but apparently not... HP is advocating ``controlling`` afaganistan by exporting islamic hordes... hamidm is advocating using mullahs in kashmir to take care of hinuds...

Basically - we back to square one.... millions of dollars ammunitions was burnt over these guys but all in vain... no lesson was ever learnt... :)

Re: # 46 HP
[...That is why I promote annexation of the Eastern Afghanistan and the Irani Balochistan by Pakistan. They are rightfully ours...]

sure, you got it... do you want fries with that... :)

pakis and your ever-expanding delusions... everything is ``rightfully`` yours ... I mean - you can`t even keep what you have right now[or got in 1947] and then you want eastern afgan, and balochi iran and even indian punjab...... :)

I mean - what are you going to with these l0sers...:)

``That is why I promote annexation of the Eastern Afghanistan and the Irani Balochistan by Pakistan. They are rightfully ours``

LOL. This sounds like a spiel making its way out of saddam`s famous information minister...

Re: # 57 raw

Yep - HP has got Baghdad Bob up his a88... LOL.

Urstruly:
You should`ve thanked me for my very highly extraordinary synthesis out of hellfires to heaven booty for your tax money. Instead, you are whining. Tsk. Look at it this way. Allah mian ocassionally also likes to kill school going children by an earthquake here and an aids epidemic there.
Infidels just cant compete being bloodsucking waste of human life that they are plus they are eternally damned already - you bet they love to plan and bomb little children in cold blood.

Re: # 59

And I presume you are a Pakistani; which proves that an amoral corrupt class does exist that oppresses Pakistan even if it has to be done through killing school children.

Re: # 27

Hamidm Sahib:

You might like check out 1948 scenario again. Pakistan Army`s British Chief, refused to take orders from the Commander-in-Chief, Jinnah once what is now Pakistan Kashmir was captured; till then Indian Commander-in-Chief and Governor General Mountbetton would not order Indian Army to do anything.

Together there is some truth that emotions have missed.

The best is for you to help empower girls in that area through education right now there is NATO militia to lend support. Over a generation may yield some sensible results.

Anil

Anil

#54 by bulleya on November 6, 2006 1:47pm PT


my point was simply that pakistan should not allow the usa to kill its citizens........and that pakistan needs to stay out of us wars



Capt: It`s not like mushy has a choice(or the paki army has the intestinal fortitude) to resist American demands..cue in bomb you back to the stone age threat from Armitage..


To be fair: Mushy doesn`t have a choice..he knows most Pakis dream of being great islamic fighters but the thought of an American bomb dropping on the Lahore dunkin donuts is enough to make them weak in the knees and bend over..

Re: # 54

Romair:

One thing good about Isarel is that its people are quite practical. Remember Jewish Arab cooperation in Spain.

Tolerating Iran, when its president on 60 minutes confirmed the question that it has 50,000 suicide bombers ready, that answered many many more questions than Nuclear weapon can. When Clinton made positive comments, a few years, ago after Iranian elections, yet more questions were answered. When Sistani (I believe it was him), gave a pro-democracy speech at OIC conference in Malaysia, many things were answered.

No doubt that Pakistan`s role is in what you have described, but where is the role for its military to stay in power? To settle this, there may be an internal struggle in Pakistan. If Iran gains its rightful positioin it will be at Pakistan`s cost. More muslims will listen to Iranians than Pakistani military. So what will military do to justify staying in power?

Anil

HP # 46

Thanks for another knowledgeable comment. Indeed, Bacha Khan performed a miracle in bringing people`s religion fully on board without letting it dominate collective secularism. Since that kind of nationalism-based secularism is what Indians would like to achieve one day, except that this will be nationalism on a far larger scale - Badshah Khan`s name should never be forgotten in India.

Did hamidm`s ``bashi bazouks`` ever amount to anything other than manhole-cover thievers and truck drivers? And was their leadership ever different from the one epitomized by Mullah Omar? Consider the case of Kanishka - among the best known names in ancient Indian history.

Kanishka`s vast empire stretched from amu darya in in Central Asia, to Afghanistan, all of today`s Pakistan, reaching all the way to Patna, Bihar in the east, including Kashmir in the north and upto Gujrat in the South.

Yet he is far more famous for his religious/spiritual heritage than for his impressive imperial achievements. His capital Purushpur (modern Peshawar) was a center of intense religious debates and disagreements. So when he got interested in Buddhism, he invited Buddhist scholars from all over to Kashmir so they could hammer out some agreement. After sitting through (some of) those probably Chowk-like debates in a Great Council, the king declared all 12 (or more?) traditions to be equally valid!

We learn from chinese travellers that the king respected religions other than his own. His official coins carry images of not only the Buddha, but also of Hindu, Zorastrian, and Greek gods and religious figures. (That might well be a unique achievement in the history of man - certainly a rare feat).

All that seems to suggest a time and a people very different from the one with Buddha-destroying Taliban mindset.