Musharraf Stirring the Pot in the Tribal Area—Why?

Question- did Musharraf succeed in using the WPB to break the ARD and separate WPB supporter Benazir Bhutto from mulla-nawaz -- Nawaz Sharif? -- Nah.

WPB is Musharraf`s one decent act in the entire 7 years of his illegal rule -- if he does not stop here -- goes further to abolish the Hudood laws and EVEN the Sharia Court -- he will make up for most of his mortal sins.

one cannot help but commend that cowardly LION Shujaat Hussain for getting enough courage to steer the bill thru both NA and Senate successfully -- despite his MMA-induced irrational fears of divine retribution.

but why those Mother-hating MMAs of Mullah Mule Association start braying -- naa-heeN -- naa-heeN -- in unison -- at the very first glimpse of the women`s rights bill. They look like a bunch of rabies patients who choke at the very sight of shimmering water.

For the implementation of the WPB in Balochistan and NWFP -- I have only one word for Shaukat Aziz for putting his foot down -- BRAVO!

Like Iran and Syria -- Musharraf no longer should be afraid of this morally bankrupt mortally wounded US presidency.....``chand roze aur meri jaan faqat chand hee roze``

Ref taikonaut #42

[..I hope one day the Southern Hindustanis (no hope for Northies) realize that Kashmir issue is hurting their chances to compete with China, and they will let it go.]

The South Indians are the ones building The Bomb and the missiles. Primarily aimed at China.

Tells you what the Southies think of China.

By the way, China comes calling to Bangalore to get Indian IT companies to invest in China.

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By the way, China comes calling to Bangalore to get Indian IT companies to invest in China.

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Sure! China imports $10 million worth of IT, and dumps $10 billion worth of pots and pans. Net gain for China = $9.99 billion.

China has same population as Hindustan, but 3 times larger economy and 4 times larger budget. Sure China needs a lot of investments from its poor neighbor. hahah.

What Hindustanis can do best is to take pot shots at Pakistan (1/10th of country`s size).

taikonaut #42

`` I hope one day the Southern Hindustanis (no hope for Northies) realize that Kashmir issue is hurting their chances to compete with China, and they will let it go. ``

Kashmir has no bearing upon India`s ability to compete with China. Work ethic, infrastructure and education do.

`` China had similar (nay bigger) territorial issues in Hong Kong, Macao, and Taiwan. However they remained cool headed and let these regions enjoy independent status.

The result? HUGE prosperity for the whole of China. ``

Hong Kong and Macao would have been part of China a long time ago if China had not been communist. It is comparable to Pondicherry (India acquired it in 1954) and Goa (India used force to seize it in 1961).

China is prosperous because of its people, Deng`s reforms and access to the US market.

taikonaut #25

`` Abraham Lincoln didn`t give ``autonomy`` to the South, nor is SriLanka giving independence to its Tamil region. Look what Tajik and Uzbek Generals did to Afghan Pashtuns. 1000`s of Pashtoons were killed in overstuffed containers. Still Afghanistan is a country. ``

Lincoln fought the South. 75% of Americans were loyal to the Union. He had industrial base. He had morality on his side. America was a continent away from its neighbors.

What were those Pashtoons doing in those overstuffed containers in the first place ?
Last time I checked Mazar-e-Sharif was not a Pashtoon town.

`` Countries whether democratic or autocratic usually are not in the business of handing out autonomies. Hello! That is why they are called countries and not UNO. ``

India has a working not perfect federal system to devolve power to various groups. Switzerland has cantons to devolve power. USA has a decent federal system with checks and balances.

`` Just ask your chaha Nehru as to why he was so constipated about Kashmir. Every piece of a country be it next door or next mile, is atoot ang. UK didn`t let Faukland go out of its hand, nor do Russians treat Chechnians ``autonomically`` (my word). ``

UK let most of its empire go - India, Burma, Kenya, Ghana etc.

`` East Pakistan was an internationally recognized region with specific borders and demarcation. Pakistan tried to hang on to it as long as it could, while Hindustan sent in 60,000 guerrillas to help improve ``peace and harmony`` in East Bengal. Just read the what Manikshaw had to say about Indira`s black role in perpetrating atrocities during the dark days of 1971. Moreover India could not have been able to digest it. The price would have been too big. ``

Why don`t you admit that Pakistanis are incapable of running a large multi-ethnic state ?

`` The bottom line is that Sh. Mujib was a leader (sometimes in jail but still in good health and ``alive``). While the same Sh. Mujib, his boys, his girls, his uncles, and aunts everyone was turned into a pile of minced meat right in the middle of BDesh. Only Husina survived. Who are you going to blame the total annihilation of Sh. Mujib and his family. I am sure you would blame Hindustan for that. ``

Did anything stop Pakistan from hanging Mujib ?

`` You can smirk about 3 million dead. However you won`t be able to produce a single gas chamber, even a tiny concentration camp, or Hutu-Tutsi style floating corpses. Bengalis who died in those days mostly died in Hindustani camps. So the blame goes to whomever was controlling those camps. ``

I do not know about 3 million. Reading the 1971 newspaper archives I can conclude safely that the Pakistani army killed 100,000 to 300,000 civillians in a few months. Most of the killings were pre-meditated. This would exclude deaths in military operations and killings by Razakars.

`` Pakistani and Hindustani armies come from the same stock and they are known for their discipline the world over. There may be one bad apple in Kashmir, or Sierra Leon, or may be BDesh. However no one can accuse Pakistani or Indian army for genocide and rapes. ``

Indian army has never mounted a coup like the Pakistani army.

`` So let these lectures reserved for your own oppressed people from Nagaland to Kashmir. And please let us sort out issues on our side of the border. Thank you. ``

The basic difference between Kashmir and East Pakistan is the following:
East Pakistanis = 56% of Pakistan`s population
Kashmiri Muslims = 0.7% of India`s population

Any amount of propaganda does not convert a mole hill to a mountain

Taiko,

The bilateral trade is around US$20 bn and the trade gap is not very large. But you are right China is very ahead of India in most areas and India would be well-advised to close the gap.

And yes, even though India may be poorer/backward than China in most areas, there would be areas in which China could (and in fact does) encourage investments from India, IT being one. Incidentally Indians are also investing in China for manufacturing both for Indian, Chinese and overseas markets (just as China is doing the same in India).

Regards

#52 by taikonaut

Sure! China imports $10 million worth of IT, and dumps $10 billion worth of pots and pans. Net gain for China = $9.99 billion.

Arey yaar, at least know your facts before you argue. Till last year, India had a trade surplus of almost $ 4 billion. I`m not aware of this year`s figures, but should be somewhat similar.

What Hindustanis can do best is to take pot shots at Pakistan (1/10th of country`s size).

On the one hand, you guys whine when countries like US and UK do not mention India and Pakistan in the same breath, but when the comparison is in favor of India, you whine saying that Pakistan, after all is just 1/10th (actually it is 1/7th) of India.

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I do not know about 3 million. Reading the 1971 newspaper archives I can conclude safely that the Pakistani army killed 100,000 to 300,000 civillians in a few months. Most of the killings were pre-meditated. This would exclude deaths in military operations and killings by Razakars.

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Well you are challenging Sh. Mujib`s statements. He said 3 million and you are contradicting your deity. Strange!

While you are doing this interesting ``reading of the 1971 papers``, figure this out! How many of E. Bengalis died in Hindustan vs. how many died in E. Pakistan.

Also while we are at it, do some DNA analysis on BDeshis. We need to figure out all the kids resulting from those Hindi media reported millions of rapes.

BTW if Indira Gandhi had done all this ``reading the 1971 papers``, she would have conducted trials against Pakistanis. Heck she had 40,000 army men from Gen. to soldiers. They would have happily provided their ``samples`` to Indira for paternity tests for BDeshi and Bihari kids.

Thank you for your hard work.

taikonaut #57

`` Well you are challenging Sh. Mujib`s statements. He said 3 million and you are contradicting your deity. Strange! ``

He is not my deity. Mujib was in prison in West Pakistan while Pakistani army was on its orgy in East Pakistan. How would he know ?

`` While you are doing this interesting ``reading of the 1971 papers``, figure this out! How many of E. Bengalis died in Hindustan vs. how many died in E. Pakistan. ``

Of course refugees die of starvation and disease. It is not like Indian army was hunting down any refugees. India in 1970 was in no position to feed 10-15 million refugees.

`` Also while we are at it, do some DNA analysis on BDeshis. We need to figure out all the kids resulting from those Hindi media reported millions of rapes. ``

why do i care ?

`` BTW if Indira Gandhi had done all this ``reading the 1971 papers``, she would have conducted trials against Pakistanis. Heck she had 40,000 army men from Gen. to soldiers. They would have happily provided their ``samples`` to Indira for paternity tests for BDeshi and Bihari kids. ``

Be happy that CNN and DNA analysis was not around in 1971.

Re: # 58 babu raam furmatay hain

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`` BTW if Indira Gandhi had done all this ``reading the 1971 papers``, she would have conducted trials against Pakistanis. Heck she had 40,000 army men from Gen. to soldiers. They would have happily provided their ``samples`` to Indira for paternity tests for BDeshi and Bihari kids. ``

Be happy that CNN and DNA analysis was not around in 1971.

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hahah! So Indira Gandhi had 40,000 POWs and she needed CNN to prove the war crimes? Man you put all those HI-HI-T graduates to shame.

Bunch of yem yen boys trying to be men. Shameless indeed.

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If CNN was around in 1971 you would not have Pakistanis braying about Islam.

#60 by bbabu on December 6, 2006 7:22pm PT

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If CNN was around in 1971 you would not have Pakistanis braying about Islam.

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Yeah Indira Gandhi needed CNN to bray about Hindooi Fundoois.