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#440 by behram-baba (P.E.)

[Nevertheless, the refuge was granted not because of some goodness of Raja`s heart. The refuge was achieved due to the enormous wealth the fleeing Persians had. Throughout history in cases of war only the rich can afford to be refugees in some other land. They came by boats to Sanjan, and only the rich would be able to afford such expeditions. ]

The hated Hindoos of Hindooland should note that other than being a professional septic-tank cleaning contractor, behram-baba (P.E.) is also an amateur historian.

Yes, it may be true that behram-baba has absolutely no proof that the desperate and miserable refugees who fled their homeland to preserve their faith from the hands of the ever-tolerant Mooslums had no little pieces of gold, silver or diamonds in their miserable bags and baggages (India had the biggest diamond mines of those times) that the Indian king fell for. But behram-baba (P.E.) has used his brain (stuffed with septic-tank residues) to apply some P.E.-grade logic. I mean, look around you. Filthily rich refugees froim Bangladesh pouring into the erstwhile hated Hindooland. Refugees from other Mooslum-countries like North Africa pouring into countries like France with gold bullions and pigeon-egg-sized diamonds bursting out of their pockets.

Everywhere in the world, whenever you see refugees, think ``mucho dinero``!

It is not for nothing that behram-baba is a honorary member of the Mentally Disadvantaged Society in Austin, Texas. Hindoos from Hindooland have got NOTHING on behram-baba. Why, only the other day in midtown Austin, behram-baba (P.E.) was doing a Paki version of ``You can`t touch this`` along with the rest of his septic-tank cleaning crew.

Abbey Hindoos from Hindooland! You think you can touch this? Eh?

Re: # 438 by swarrier on November 23, 2006 2:26pm PT

Swarrier, you could use some clarifications.

Parsees got prominence in Mughal King Akbar`s rule, and had the High Priest as a member of his darba. They achieved their industries near present day Bengal. Actually, Tata Steel Mill is in Jamshedpur, which is closer to Bengal than to Gujrat.

Re: # 438 by harimau on November 23, 2006 5:02pm PT

{When they met the local raja and asked for permission to live amongst his subjects, the raja is supposed to have shown them a full glass of milk, meaning there wasn`t space for any more people. The Parsis replied by putting sugar in the milk indicating they would mingle with the locals and add sweetness. That is how they won the raja`s permission to stay on in his lands.}

And how far and vast this raja`s lands were supposed to be? Being a local raja of Sanjan is one thing, but taking on the role of being a raja all of Hindoo Land is a bit too far fetched.

All of this is good for the Parsee, and they can continue to pay their homage to the Hindoo Land, but can this view be applied to those Zoroastrians who were never a refugee to the Hindoo Land?

Nevertheless, the refuge was granted not because of some goodness of Raja`s heart. The refuge was achieved due to the enormous wealth the fleeing Persians had. Throughout history in cases of war only the rich can afford to be refugees in some other land. They came by boats to Sanjan, and only the rich would be able to afford such expeditions.

Ref zeemax #436

[... ``allowed them to set foot on India`` ? Are you kidding? You should remember India was little more than a big dog with a lot of fleas on its back a thousand years ago, and the zoroastrians same as others were just another flea on its back after fall of the sassanids.]

The Zorastrians may have been yet another flea but they nevertheless had to seek permission from the local raja to live in his lands.

When they met the local raja and asked for permission to live amongst his subjects, the raja is supposed to have shown them a full glass of milk, meaning there wasn`t space for any more people. The Parsis replied by putting sugar in the milk indicating they would mingle with the locals and add sweetness. That is how they won the raja`s permission to stay on in his lands.

When you go back to 279 AD when the first jews landed near Cochin, they approached the local raja for permission to live as his subjects. They were permitted to do so and the leader of that group was given special privileges such as the right to carry a ceremonial umbrella. This grant was engraved on copper plates and is still preserved by Cochin`s Jewish community.

At all times, those who sought refuge in India asked for and received permission. They didn`t show up one day and live amongst the locals without getting protection from the local raja.

Re: # 436
Zeemax
A few clarifications. The Parsis/Zoroastrians gained prominence under the English and not the Mughals. They were mostly farming communities until they moved back to Surat and started working with the British in their factories and workshops. They remained loyal to the British which is why they were offered responsible positions in Bombay.

Let us say euphemistically that they were trusted by the British unlike other Indians who were seen as guileful because they didn`t quite see eye to eye with the British.

All that notwithstanding they certainly sought refuge in India and it was granted to them. And they have done a lot in India in turn.

It seems mitochondrial DNA analysis shows that the Parsis are genetically closer to Gujaratis than they are to the modern Iranians/Persians. So there must definitely have been some intermarrying with the local populace.

Taking the time off a busy thanksgiving schedule to bring this thread back to the topic.
I am glad that some Pakistanis are already learning a few good things in India. Jairamji ki. I think this is the positive side of Indian culture that we should learn about. At least I know I will be safe when I go to Pakistan and have little fun on the side:)


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4119982.stm

Pakistani sex workers visit India




A group of Pakistani sex workers have visited the red light district in the Indian city of Calcutta to discuss safe sex practices and combating Aids.

It is the first ever visit by Pakistani sex workers to any red light district in India.
The BBC`s Subir Bhaumik in Calcutta says over the last decade, sex workers there have formed a powerful organisation to protect their rights.
The have successfully improved their health standards.
They have also organised campaigns to raise awareness on preventing HIV/Aids.
The group of sex workers from the Pakistani city of Hyderabad visited Sonagachi - a sprawling red light district in north Calcutta.
``They have come to the right place because we are the most organised group of sex workers anywhere in Asia,`` Swapna Gayen, who heads the Calcutta sex workers` association, told the BBC.
Safe sex
They were briefed by local sex workers on how they have managed to combat sexually transmitted diseases and HIV.

``It was unbelievable to the delegation that Sonagachi`s sex workers refuse sex without a condom even in the face of physical torture,`` Majid Rani, who led the Pakistani team, is quoted as saying by AFP.
She said this was unthinkable in Pakistan and sex workers there would often be forced to have sex without condoms.
The visiting Pakistani women also visited a crèche for the children of sex workers and a consumer cooperative.
But Ms Gayen said they were particularly interested in brothel management and anti-Aids programmes.
Pakistan has 2,300 HIV-positive people, according to official figures.
But the World Health Organisation estimates that the figure could be closer to 80,000.

Jai ramji ki....

#433 by muqaddam re Behram

....should remember that India is the country which gave refuge to his forefathers, who were running from tyranny in Iran and allowed them to set foot on India and treat it as their own motherland. `ehsaan faramosh` or `namak haraam`.

... ``allowed them to set foot on India`` ? Are you kidding? You should remember India was little more than a big dog with a lot of fleas on its back a thousand years ago, and the zoroastrians same as others were just another flea on its back after fall of the sassanids. They gained prominence as merchants only during the Muslim Mughal rule sometime in 17th century when the Bombay Presidency was established, while hinuds continued to swing around trees. It was the Parsis who established the stock exchanges, the steel mills, the large scale industries and so forth. So who is `ehsaan faramosh` or `namak haraam`?

Hinuds never owned macacia. All the fleas owned the dog.

#433 by muqaddam on November 22, 2006 12:38pm PT
``All in all it appears that he has to outdo the Pakistanis in hating India and all things Indian because that is the only way he can show that he is a true Pakistani. ``

talk about stealing words from someone`s mouth.

however, let me also add that given all the venom he is spewing here on indians, i am 110% sure that in reality this guy may be the opposite of what he is trying to project himself here.

rgds,

devkant.

Only if in exchange, the Hinjras and the khusralsa be allowed to admit in the madrasas....

Be-haram(i) is again throwing a lot of stink. Here`s an old post.


Janab Tatti( due to his obsession with shitters by the railroad, if he is so enamoured by the sight, why not build himself a hut by the railroad and enjoy all the shitting scenes closely)) a.k.a. Mr `Lump of Shit` alias Behram 1 who( I now learn) is a Parsee, belongs to that clan of Iranians who thought it more dignified in seeking refuge in India than submitting to thoee marauding hordes who were laying waste to that beautiful land of Iran so that they could keep their faith from extinction.
Looking at his pedigree, why Janab Tatti`s posts are so venomously anti India is hard to understand.
He was born in Pakistan but speaks Gujarati at home like all Parsees, goes to the Agiary(Fire Temple) and when he dies his remains will be fed to vultures on a tower of silence. Most of his relatives are probably in India and thriving in a society that respects all religions, while he or may be his parents decided to stay on in Pakistan, out of compulsion obviously, because there is not a single Parsee who would have voluntarily opted for Pakistan after partition and moved to that part of the country.
All in all it appears that he has to outdo the Pakistanis in hating India and all things Indian because that is the only way he can show that he is a true Pakistani.

Mr Lump of should remember that India is the country which gave refuge to his forefathers, who were running from tyranny in Iran and allowed them to set foot on India and treat it as their own motherland. It is sad that while most Parsees have excelled in all fields and done their adopted motherland proud, we have here an ungrateful descendent of this great race who has nothing but hate for the land of his forefathers` adoption. He can only be described as a blot on the legacy of his clan and the only word to describe such people is `ehsaan faramosh` or `namak haraam`.

Godspeed to him.

Re: # 431

Yes, but there were two ways to handle the beast - there always are more than one way to address the problem. Americans, even though they understood the nature of beast very well, chose to destroy the beast - the very act that caused the beast to come into existence in the first place. The beast has proven itself to be industructible.

#426 amrikans were naiively happy to leave afganistan to taliban/pakistan as CAR pipeline sentrys..but the keeda of embassy-bombings, USS-Cole followed by 9-11 made them see the true nature of the beast.

Urstuly: You make some plausible points. But they are nowhere close to the whole truth, and as such are misleading.

1. Mining as a source of wealth creation: Scandinavian metals would have been useless without the Industrial Revolution where UK led the way, since that revolution created the demand for such metals. Similarly, Saudi oil would be useless without demand for it created by industry, since camels dont drink oil. And without wealth, there is no welfare state.

2. Taliban as a source of political stability: First your facts are wrong - post-Soviet Afghanistan was hardly a paradise of political stability, since there was a civil war going on. Second, even if there had been political stability and economic progress (which was definitely not the case), the taliban system was an undemocratic one. Regardless of what you think, Allah did not make maulvis his spokesmen on earth and in a civilized society one group of individuals does not claim an inherent right to impose its views on others.

#426 by Urstruly

My friend, how many people will see what you`re saying through the opaque goggles of their prejudice?

Wonderful post. Thanks.

Re: # 407
Stuka
Thanks for setting things right. I remembered the college in Dadar and I totally missed SNDT. I had a friend who attended the college at Dadar , she used to try out her concoctions on us.
I have no beef with steaks, I like them. Washed down with a bit of St.Emilion. We always offer the first toast to the gods, they liked their tipple too. -)

Re: # 344

Placement committee will provide their grandmother`s a$$ if it means getting the big companies on Day 1. Please don`t patronise me, I am basing this on first-hand accounts.