India-Pakistan talks: the endless cycle

Re: # 475


I do not know the exact literal meaning. Maybe I am wrong. But I have always thought of a Mufakkar as someone who has traits common to intellectuals and academics both, without falling completely in any of these categories. Kind of difficult to convey...

Re: # 470

Dear Okhla,

The word murfker is an offensive word to me (as I understood it).

I responded to the offesinve meaning it conveyed. No normal human being takes a word that demeans the status of mothers. Woman is the mother of this world. I dont want to hear such words that pulls down the status of mother.

If u think I did it (respond that way) intentionally, yes I admit I did it inorder to uphold a mother`s honour. If u think I am guilty, yes I am, for mother`s sake. Full Stop.

Again, I need to know the meaning of this word. Since u wrote it, I want the meaning of that word from u.

Thanks.

#473 by zeemax

Thank you for proving my point. It was a Lady Police Officer assigned to oversee women`s protests. Not some swarthy darogas assigned to manhandle college girls and aim for their `buxom bums`.

Oh come on now! Will you now say a lady police officer tearing off a woman`s clothing is better than a policeman hitting a woman with a lathi? And are you arguing that there are no Paki policemen who hit women? If it is so, I have nothing more to argue with you.

#471 by harish_hyd

Thank you for proving my point. It was a Lady Police Officer assigned to oversee women`s protests. Not some swarthy darogas assigned to manhandle college girls and aim for their `buxom bums`.

And you may ask Asma Jehangir how many lady police officers she hit since you`re at it. She`s kind of famous for doing that and provoking altercations for good copy.

#462/463 by subhashjoshi

Mr. Joshi, you need to straighten-up on your facts before you start to twist them....

1) And think of those sisters who died in Bajaur bombing.

Did any woman die in the Bajaur bombing? Perhaps according to your sources though not mine. Besides, your friends are crying hoarse it was the Americans who did it to Pak.

2) Your police doesn`t raise its precious finger anywhere. Not when Mukhtar Mai is punished by ancient Jirga.

Yes they did. All were arrested and jailed, then bailed out by High Court, then jailed again by no less than the Supreme Court through direct intervention in the case.

3) LAW demanding FOUR MALE WITNESSES

What law? It doesn`t exist anymore. Do you read the news? It has been amended NOT to require any such thing. Besides whatever excuse for a law it was, it was neither voted in by representatives of the people, nor debated in the country. It was an ordinance by a sole person i.e. the military dictator appropriately named Zina(bil jabr)-ul-Haq.

4) Where is my hanky, please?

Here it is ... do wipe off the tears of your ignorance ...

#459 by zeemax

And yes, female students do protest on the streets all the time in Pak (e.g. the protests outside Governor House in Lahore over hostel facilities this year which shut down not only Governor House but the entire Mall Road as well), but the police dare not raise a finger against our sisters. No police may dare strike a woman on the street in Pakistan.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_15-5-2005_pg7_14

Excerpt:

``The police targeted my clothes. A lady police officer told me they had orders to be strict and to tear off the participant’s clothes,” said Jahangir, adding that she would lodge a complaint against the police officials who tore her clothes and hit her.``

Re: # 469


Very very VRV,

Once again you have been caught with your pants down. Reacting irrationally because you ``had to``. Remember your ``perforce`` post a few days back? Why do you just ``have to`` spew venom without any rational basis???? Some introspection is required. Is it not ??

To me VRV & Behram represent identical mindsets (full of animosity and hatred towards each other). They will lose no opportunity to grab each others throat on the slightest (and often false) pretences. Our subcontinent has suffered, continues to suffer because of these bigoted mindsets.

If educated Indians and Pakistanis cannot engage in civilised debate, should we really expect our politicians, militaries or Mullahs/ RSS to do any better???

Re: # 468

Dear Okhla,

I dont know the meaning if the word is a Urdu/Persian one. It sounded sooooo offensive and I had to respond the way I did.

I need to know its meaning.



CHOWK STAFF:

PL DO DELETE MY POSTS 466 & 467

Thanks.

Little knowledge is a dangerous thing indeed.

As advised by Mark Twain `` Before you proceed to twist & distort your facts, please get them straight.``


Very very VRV-- please google ``mufakkar``. Before you start spouting senseless invective like Behram.

Re: # 466 (REVISED)

Re: # 465

Okhla/Zeemax,

I am very clear by now abt u and religion and/or ur upbringing. If Okhla is the nick-name of Zeemax then this`s my last post that wud contain the names of Okhla or Zeemax. (I am however reserving the right to batter u guys without naming u as and when the opportunity is given).

Any normal person with a normal upbringing - irrespective of religious affiliation - wud not even think of such a word murfker. We see swines actually performing murfking .....not human beings.

Okhla/Zeemax, if u grew up doing that murfking, then u are a pariah to me. If ur Prophet is a murfker & u think that murfking is a normal thing then u and ur Prophet are beneath contempt to me. Btw, I know that ur last Prophet is the child molestor and rapist. Ur UnHoly Book had the record of his waywardness. If it`s a normal thing in Pakistan, then Pakistan`d die it`s natural death for nurturing such thoughts on mothers.

THINKING THAT MATING MOTHER IS A NORAML THING, U...OKHLA/ZEEMAX, THEN UR WIFE MUST BE UR MOTHER.

U AND UR COUNTRY....THOOOOOO...

Re: # 465

Okhla/Zeemax,

I am very clear by now abt u and religion and/or ur upbringing. If this name a nick of Zeemax then this`s my last post that wud contain the names of Okhla and Zeemax. I am however reserving the right to batter u guys without naming u as and when the opportunity is given u.

Any normal person with a normal upbringing - irrespective of religious affiliation - wud not even think of such a word murfker. We see swines doing it.....no human beings.

Okhla/Zeemax, if u grew up doing that murfking, then u are a pariah. If ur Prophet is a murfker & u think that murfking is a normal thing then u and ur Prophet are beneath contempt to me. Btw, I know that ur last Prophet is the child molestor and rapist. Ur UnHoly Book had the record of his waywardness. If it`s a normal thing in Pakistan, then Pakistan`d die it`s natural death for nurturing such thoughts on mothers.

THINKING THAT MATING MOTHER IS A NORAML THING, U...OKHLA, THEN UR WIFE MUST BE UR MOTHER. U AND UR COUNTRY....THOOOOOO...

Re: # 461

Respected murfker VRV,

Both countries have their own set of a$$holes. Both countries also have a huge bunch of decent people, perfectly capable of living peacefully & joyfully together

Pakistan 2020 will be rocking. So will India 2020.

Inspite of Behram or harimau or Krishna.

Re: # 458
Respected murfker VRV

I do not need any certificates from you or Behram. I will speak my mind. Sometimes
you will feel I am biased. Sometimes you would agree with me.

But , please believe me, I am not playing to any gallery. I sincerely believe that both India and Pakistan should get their act together and beat the crap out of the ills that plague both countries. Simple economic progress is the solution.
And most love-days like Krishna & Behram (and even you at times) are best ignored.

Johny Walker and I wish you the best...

Re: # 459 Zeemax

Zeemax saheb, unfortunately I don`t have any photograph of your LAW demanding FOUR MALE WITNESSES for valiantly protecting the honour of your womenfolk. But then do you really need a photograph?

And I am not disgusted at you. I know, being a Pakistani, prevarication and hypocricy is second nature to you.

Re: # 459 Zeemax


I didn`t know I will be in for such a long homily when I come back this evening.

Zee bhai, let me first tell you, any police ahalkaar, worth his salt, will not hold his lathi in this manner, if he were going to do pitai of anybody in earnest. This is #1.

Now #2. Do you know what exactly those students were doing at that time. Protesting, but how? Suppose your or my sister is travelling in a bus or train and an angry mob tries to set it on fire. Or pelt stones on windows. Then? Think of that.

Last, but not least, #3 : Police didn`t open fire on them. So don`t get too emotional. And think of those sisters who died in Bajaur bombing. Where is my hanky, please?

Please post some more photos that you preserved because they tear your heart and not to attack Indians. Gujarat riots, for instance.


``.....but the police dare not raise a finger against our sisters. No police may dare strike a woman on the street in Pakistan.``

Your police doesn`t raise its precious finger anywhere. Not when Mukhtar Mai is punished by ancient Jirga, not when a girl is killed for family honour. So please stop singing mother/sister song.

Dear Zee,

Why dont tu drill some of the wisdom u wrote in the last two posts into the stone-head of bH??

Rgds,