Understanding Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto

You know it is just damn right disappointing to return to chowk after an absence and find BJKumar, the Hindu equivalent akin to the fat Nazi from American History X, still trying to impose on chowk populace his regurgitation of Gandhian defaecation.

I suppose when you are the follower of the Exclusivist Racist Casteist Hindu fascist bigot Gandhi ... that truly bigoted little Hindu fanatic who believed that black people were subhuman and caste system was the true expression of humanity.... you need to repeat your hogwash again and again.

Somethings will never change.

#93 by taikonaut

No wonder these vermin deserve the likes of Lallu Parsad, Rabri mata, and the abject poverty + hunger.

Arey yaar, at least the vermin have the choice and consciously and democratically elected these leaders unlike you guys, who`re destined to remain under the jackboots forever. So while we have a Laloo, we also have Manmohan, Abdul Kalam, Vajpayee, who are any day better than both Paki leaders and dictators.

In grief I write:

Sad demise of Anwar Shaikh, illustrious son of Akhand Bharat

We learn with great regret and grief of the tragic death of one of 20th century’s greatest authority on reality about Islam, Dr. Anwar Shaikh, in Wales, Great Britain on November 25, 2006. He will be mourned by millions who read his books and articles over several decades. Anwar, was ailing and in considerable pain for some time. Because of threats from Islamic fundamentalists, he was living in a high security home in Cardiff, Wales. Those privileged to know him personally or through his writings admired him for his originality and courage of conviction.

His death has taken away an intellectual giant from our midst. He stood for an era, for a century. His greatest achievement was to demolish Islam with the sword of logic and reason. He exposed it as the cult of brutal conquerors and the destroyer of civilisations.

His legacy is all the books and articles that he wrote and published. He will live through his word.

Anwar Shaikh (Converted to Hinduism called Aniruddha Gyan Shikha). After his conversion to Hinduism, he wrote many books to expose Islam as religion. His death is mourned across the whole world, especially in Bharat.

Hun mera Jyesth Bhrata (Vadda Prah) Zeemax jida nawan naa Jeet Singh Max Sikhi hai, Aniruddha Gyan Shikha da avtar banuga aur jang jari rakhuga

Sanatani

Re: # 95

Stuke Mraaj,

You may find it irritating my prefixing all these terms like Maharajadhiraj, Navameshwar, Guru Shiromani, Shrimant etc but I think it is a vast improvement in terms of using suffixes` lik SAW, PbUH, Wali Wassallam.

Ke kende ho
Parnam
Snatni
Like a true blue Panjoo I have cut the a`s

Re: # 92

Zee bhaiya,

Jai Shri Ram. Of course they did. But then you know their favourite sports was bride hunting. Taking an innovation from the Yahoods (``500 rupye main yahoodi nahin bikta tum musalman ko kharid rahe ho``) we hereby declare that every child born to a Hindu Women and a non Hindu father is a Hindu so by that all their descendants are Hindus. Next we will take an innovation from the Muslims that ``era of tolerance is over and.... you know what``.

See pls tell takanot that while I may not be secular (``la diniyat lahaul villakhawat``) at least I am syncretic 1 from Yahood 1 from Musla.

So Bade Bhaiya yeh bataaye aap ghar vapsi kab kar rahe hai. (And please I am not baiting or ridiculing you it is a genuine sentiment to getting back you and the rest of the bretheren back to the fold). And brother a majority of the Panjabi Muslims are Rajput, Jat and Gujjar and there is a high probability you are one of the 3 now compare these castes in their behaviour with Bedous, Turks and Central Asians and I am sure you will decide what is the right choice for you meaning to say `` ki mai kiski aulad hu``.

Regards
Brotherly Love
Encomiums
Salutations
Best Wishes

Ghar Vapas aa jao
Aapka Anuj (Younger Brother)
Sanatani

Re: # 95

Stuke mere prah,

Tusan aakhar H shabd keh hi ditta. Lakh lakh vadhaiyan. Parnam de nal mai tvanu Paire Paana karda aa.

See I have been impressed by your knowledge and writings (not to mean I agree with what you write), so I baited you initially hoping for an intellectual response but got abuse in return (and vile abuse at that). My aim was never to insult you or demean you just to change your views (It hurts when intelligent and astute people like you refuse to see and read the writing on the wall).

In another post you had written that Punjabi Hindus had traded their Punjabi identity for a Hindu one this is the charge my Khalsa friends also make. I only ask you one thing why dont the Khalsa have a Hindu identity any more. According to me without being a Hindu one cant be a Sikh and without a Sikh not a Khalsa. I illustrate this with a story.

Guru Gobind Singhji of Bihar was born in Patna when his illustrious father was assisting Mirza Raja Ram Singh on an expidition to Asom. The valiant Asomiyas under Maharajadhiraj Lachit Barkhupan inflicted a stinging defeat on them, following which Navameshwar Guru Shiromani Shri Tegh Bahadurji brokered a peace between them. As soon as the peace was brokered Maharaj Lachit taunted the Mirza Raja that why despite being a Hindu he was allied with the turks and instead of Maharaj whya was he Mirza Raja. Hearing this Shiromani gently told Maharaj Lachit that since he had brokered the peace an insult to the Mirza Raja was an insult to him. Maharaj fell on the Guru`s feet begged forgiveness said that he could not even dream of insulting such a Saint of our Dharam and offered his head in penance which the Guru declined and embraced him. My question to those Khalsa who deny their Hinduness is the Dharam mentioned here is what and where does any of the Gurus` repudiate that he is a Hindu indeed Dashameshwar Guru Shiromani Maharaj Gobind Singh ji has said This is confirmed by one of the following lines in Govind’s poem about his father’s martyrdom: “He suffered martyrdom for the sake of his faith.” Punjabi is our identity no doubt but this comes after our Hindu and Bhartiya identities.

Anyway welcome back (I know I am being presumptiousness and sanctimonious here but let it be allow me a small victory). Look forward to welcoming back a lot of the Khalsa`s to the Hindu fold heres wishing that you the following words become a part of your life ``Let the path of the pure [khâlsâ panth] prevail all over the world, let the Hindu dharma dawn and all delusion disappear. (…) May I spread dharma and prestige of the Veda in the world and erase from it the sin of cow-slaughter.”

Warm Regards and Best Wishes
Salutations
Sanatani

Re: # 87

Beej Bhai,

Kai baar main aapko katu vachan bolto hu is ke liye Kshama. But since I see you have the shades of a patriot (what shades aaap Desh Bhakt ho) but not complete, since that is why I try to convert you unlike the Mehul Kamdar and other commie types.

Let me digress in kamdars article manto with whom some time ago I was in agreement with on many issues (I like him and even respect him and would do Pranam to him because he is genuinely concerned over the plight of Pakistani Hindus {and were he is a position of power he would help them and I am sure in his own small ways wherever and whenever he can he helps our brother Pakistani Hindus} which a lot of my own countrymen bastards are not) insulted me and called me names of the worst kind. First I was very angry (angry enough that if I could have ordered a hit on him in Lahore I would have) but then I thought Manto se agar mein jeetu bhi to meri haar hai matalab usse jeetna vyarth hai. Parr apse jeetna avashyak. I will state the reason later.

You say ``The problem with many Pakistanis is they think that repeating untruths endlessly will transform those into truths``. Let us dissect the word Pakistani. If you say Pakistani who are you referring to all Pakis Muslims, Xtians, Hindus, Parsis etc. Also since all the others are not hindus and we have not come across any Paki Hindus we take it to mean Pakis minus Paki Hindus. Now dissect the Pakis futhers Punjabi`s, Muhajirs (we will use the term Bhaiyas for them), Sindhi`s, Pathans and Balochis. There is a hindu equivalent of 4 of these 5 i.e. there are not Pathan Hindus. Pathans are 8% of Paks population so in case you are accusing the Pakistanis of being Liars and Obfuscators you are including their Hindu equivalent also (including me) WHICH is most certainly not the case. If anything is the case it is the opposite the Hindus try to whitewash the sins of the mozzies due to their mental dhimmitude. This trait of lying and obfucation has kuranic and mohhamedic sanction and is called Takiyah and you see these scum indulge in takiyah all the time including that queen of this trait called farzana warsi (she spells it versey so that some dhimmi hindus might think she is well versed) another trait of takiyah.

Fact is even if we include Xtians Bharat Mata ka vibhajan mussalman aur gair mussalman bhagon mein hua tha to tub agar Bharat desh ko secular hona hai to mussalmano ko is secularism ka bhag hone ka koi hak nahin hai. The way Hindus were cleansed from Pakistan and those who stayed have become 3rd class citizens the same must apply to India for it is the muslims of truncated India who were in the forefront of this demand

Beej Bhai tell me why should we be secular (as the dictionary defines the word). If anything the muslims should be forced to adopt secularism and at least moderate to some extent the wrethced behaiour they exhibit as members of this murderous cult. Why should we give up Dharma as how conduct should be defined in society it is because of our Dharma that Jew, Christians (yes those some murderous snakes before Constantine become Holy Roman emperor) Parsis and Tibetans have got Sharan from persecution and freedom to practise their faith under Sanatan Dharam, Bharat Mata and the Bhagwa Dhwaj. (BTW Hindu Hriday Samrat Shri Balasaheb Thackreyji`s Father had led a delegation to Babasaheb with that revered flag and requested him to lead a movement for making the Bhagwa Dhwaj the national flag as reccomended by the Congress flag commitee under the able leadership of Master Tara Singhji. Babasaheb thanked Shri Prabhodankarji Thackrey for bestowing this honour on him but declined due to his pre-occupation with writing the constitution) Sorry for the digression.

To Beej bhai when you say that you wish to that you do not wish to tar the whole community with one brush then you are being economical with the truth. Fact is if the whole f***ing community was not supporting the same how could a few people do it. It is not for nothing that Behenji (Behen Mayawati) said that Muslims support kattarpanthis.

To paraphrase a great son of America (Shri Stuka you have to name this person) ``Extremism in the pursuit of Truth, Libery and Justice is not a vice, Moderation in the pursuit of the same no virtue``. So Beej bhai jo main takanoteya nu aaakhyae ohi tvanu aakhda aa Satyamev Jayte.

Regards
Truly
Sanatani

In addition to my previous post, I am one of those ``secularsits`` who people like Sanatani despises. Inspite of that, I am clear about my primary identity of being a Hindu. That does not take away from being a Punjabi.

``OK OK, If you are a true Punjabi, here is a test for you!
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Punjabi is an ethnicity, not a state of mind or an ideology or a religion. All of us born of Punjabi ethnicity are Punjabis. You are not some daddyji of Punjabis that u will go around gfiving certificates of Punjabiyat.

Punjabi as a primary identiy died on August 14, 1947. We are now Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs first, Punjabis second.

#91 by sanatani on December 5, 2006 7:43am PT

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I support the right of the Hindus and Sikhs to reclaim their property in the West Punjab

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No brainer!

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but the Muslims coming to East should be allowed if and only if they revert back to either of the true religions (I`ll be generous well allow you two more religions Jains and Baudh to reconvert two. Also if you become Hindu argh<<<.... we will also not dissuade you from following the Arya Samaji branch of Hindusim

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One word for you! FUNDOO.

See these illegitimate Hindooi Bindooi kids do not understand Pakistan. These shudras from Putna never learn to respect others.

No wonder these vermin deserve the likes of Lallu Parsad, Rabri mata, and the abject poverty + hunger.

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I`ll be generous

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Hahahah! see the generosity of a hindooi fundooi.

O! you the symbol of fairness and generosity!
O! you who mock other people`s ancestors. What was the religion of your forefathers. Oh these Hindooi fundoois never had forefathers. They just drop from the trees. Head first!

sanatani,

It appears your argument is based upon the entire Muslim populations of Pakistan/India being originally Hindu, and either forcefully converted or converted voluntarily for prudential reasons during Muslim rule.

Do you believe that the successive hoardes of Muslim Arab, Afghan, Central Asian or Persian invaders in a thousand years never procreated or multiplied?

Re: # 90

I support the right of the Hindus and Sikhs to reclaim their property in the West Punjab but the Muslims coming to East should be allowed if and only if they revert back to either of the true religions (I`ll be generous well allow you two more religions Jains and Baudh to reconvert two. Also if you become Hindu argh<<<.... we will also not dissuade you from following the Arya Samaji branch of Hindusim and futhermore if you choose to be Sikh we shall not allow any diffrentiation between Sehajdhari and Keshdhari, SImilarly Digambar and Shwetambar for Jains and Hinayana and Mahayana for Buddhists absolutely equal).

Also Hindus and Sikhs of West Punjab will have unfetterred right to reconvert the muslas back to the parent faith 4 options with 2 variations each. However a slight thing he will have to do before the formal or informal (as the case may be) conversion he/she will have to read the reverse/anti kalma. After reconversion you can choose various other options e,g, Dhirmalias and Bidhi Chandi`s in case of the Sikhs and so on hope you get the picture.

Later we will have our own version of Mo`s actions against the unbelievers (here muslims) by ending the era of tolerance i.e. conversion, expulsion or death.

BTW any choice you make is OK as you can freely move about these true faiths whenever and wherever you want.

Here`s wishing you all the best for making the correct choice. Arise takanot become Crore take se bhe adhik (zyada). Leave the path of asatya (untruth) walk on any of the paths of Satya (truth)
Regards
Sanatani

Post 89 da hor koi juab nain milya tenu

#89 by sanatani on December 5, 2006 5:59am PT

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You have used the word `furmaatay` Are a true blue blooded tight ayse Panjabi using `furmaatay` what about Kehnde, Dasde, Akhde

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OK OK, If you are a true Punjabi, here is a test for you!

Do you support the ``right to return`` of E. Punjabi Muslims and W. Punjabi non-Muslims back to their ancestral lands?

No ifs no buts. Simple yes or no would do.

Re: # 88

You are even more foolish than I thought. You say:

``Re: # 86 Sanatani sahib furmaatay hain

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If you read my post clearly here and elsewher on chowk you will find that I am from the west Punjab. For the record my family belongs to Mandi Bhauddin, Pind Dadan Khan, Sialkot, Bhera, Lahore, Icchhra and Emnabad,

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Sure you are! hahah!

Wonder why every Hindi Bindi on this board wants to be a Punjabi, Sindhi, or Khan etc.
But nobody wants to be even remotely connected to Bihari-Jannat or the UP-their-heaven.

Remember, if it quacks like a Bihari, $hites in public like a Bihari, walks like a Bihari, then it is a Punjabi-wanna-be i.e. Bihari.``

You have used the word `furmaatay` Are a true blue blooded tight ayse Panjabi using `furmaatay` what about Kehnde, Dasde, Akhde or are you liked those `Kashmiris` shown to the world in PoK who say ``enna zullom hoiya ke asi pasha hi pul gaye`` (we were so cruelly treated that we forgot our language) for the record these are Kami Panjoos taken to be settled in PoK for show and altering the demographics hint Shia Sunni again. Pakis are masters at this demographic change ethnic cleansing etc There is a lesson here for us.

Futher this liar has written, ``The RSS was born in 1925 (but)

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You know we have our Wahhabi terrorist outfits who change names on daily basis. Like one day it is lashkare-jhngvi, then LeT, and then Dawa.
The same thing is true with Hindu terrorists as well. Fundoo Hedgewar was right hand man of another fundoo Savarkar. Since the early 1900s they all got rupia from same fundoo textile mill owners. The same mill owners fired Tilak and hired + funded Gandhi. As the money came from the same fundoo pot, they all had Hindu religion totally enmeshed with politics. It is the lack of separation of Mundir and politics that destroyed unity of British-India.``

My god Accusing Doctorji to be an acolyte of Veer Savarkar. No see how easily much of liar is he. Savarkar was not Anti Muslim to begin with. In fact in 1907 he had written a book and was the First man to Call the 1857 uprising the first war of Independence and not use mutiny or ghadar (which even Indians used) and celebrate it as a glorious chapter of Hindu Muslim unity of 2 sons of the same mother fighting an alien ususrper of their motherland (a point I emphatically disagree with as brought about so well by william darlymple in his latest book). Savarkar was in England that time and thrashed by the Indian Students League for being the only person to dissent in condemning the murder of Curzon Wylie (I hope I have the name right) by Shrimant Madan Lal Dhingra. Savarkar was later arrested and sent to stand trial in India he escaped from his ship in Marsielle stood for trial and was sentenced to 50 years hard labour in Kala pani it is here he said the famous and patriotic words do you think British rule will last in India for 50 years. It is in Kala pani that he developed his anti Muslim bias due to three reasons:

1) The attitude of the Pathan Jailors. Who were brutal, cruel and sodomistic towards the Hindus. They were guided in this by their Imams.

2) This attitude was forcing conversion to Islam and to ensure this was not nominal the converts had to be brutal towrds the Hindus and eat beef. Savarkar through his efforts got this to stop and reconverted many back to the Dharam. Due to the rigidity of the Hindus they were not fully acepeted and were subject to some amount of abuse and ridicule but it to Veer`s credit that the promises he had extracted from them that they did not reconvert.

3) The attitude of the Muslims during Khilafat and the large scale murder and other henious crimes against Hindus by muslims post Khilafat.

It was the crimes committed against Hindus that prompted Doctorji to set up the RSS. He reasoned that the Muslims worshipped communally and after coming out of the mosque attacked Hindus killed some injured many looted and burnt from still more and by the time the police came the vast majority dispersed (this he was talking about mind you Hindu majority areas) and while the police did arrest and shoot a few and the Hindus took sporadic revenge the fact was due to their disorganisation they were soft targets. Those muslims who were jailed got support from the rest of the community (primarily by providing them a portion of the funds/goods looted from Hindus) and those who were hanged hailed as Ghazis.

Coming back to Doctorji. Despite being a Maratha Brahmin he had studied medicine in Kolkatta and his chief source of inspiration was the Bengali revolutionaries and he was most greatly influenced by Shri Aurobindo. This was the time when the Bengali revolutionaries primary source of motivation was the Bhagvad Gita and Maa Mahakali and indeed all those who went o to the gallows did so cheerfully carrying a copy of that great and holy book. Doctorji was also inspired by Shrimant Madan Lal Dhingra and Veer. Inspired as he had read their acolytes but never met them. Doctorji just evaded arrest many times and after the outbreak of WWI returned to Nagpur and became a medical practioner no doubt a bit disillusioned by the overwhelming Indian response to the British cause in 1914.

Lets come to lie number (whatever but plain lies) that ``Since the early 1900s they all got rupia from same fundoo textile mill owners. The same mill owners fired Tilak and hired + funded Gandhi. As the money came from the same fundoo pot, they all had Hindu religion totally enmeshed with politics. It is the lack of separation of Mundir and politics that destroyed unity of British-India``. The mill owners were if anything pro British. Indeed one of Veer`s contemproaries was Shyamji Krishan Verma a Gujarati Scion of a rich textile baron family who was disowned by his family for his pro revolutionary and anti British views, (Shyamji was such a patriot that he said that his ashes were to be brought only to a free India and since he was not a Nehru Gandhi nobody bothered with the same till Shrimant Narendrabhai Modi got them back in 2003).

Coming back to Lokmanya and Madar Das. When madar das came back to India it was on the request of one Gopal Krishan Gokhale an arch rival of Shri Tilak (some say even enemy) who possibly saw in Gandhi a person who could counter the fieriness and to an extent the Hindutva rheotric (not my words but used by commies in reference to the great Lokmanya) and actions of his (remember it was the Lokmanya who revived the Ganpati festival in Pune after a gap of almost 70-80 years). The greatest disciple of Gokhale was one Shri Mohammed Ali Jinnah who was curious and even excited (though so unemotional and disciplined a person was Shri J that one hesitates to use this adjective for him) about the person his leader had asked to come from Saouth Africa to India. That madar das with his antics (to be charitable to the f**kr they COULD and a big could at that it could have been unintentional or corrupt and power hungry bastAAAArd he was he recognised in J the iron will and discipline which he lacked and true qualities of leadership). Even after madar das returned the Lokmanya was the undisputed boss of the congress till his death in 1917. A measure of his power was the reunification of the Congress under his tutelage and leadership entirely at his terms with a few crumbs thrown to Gokhale and the moderates to give them straws to clutch on. What is interesting is that at that time madar das was behaving as a recruiting sargeant of the British army and was on Bharat darshan to in his own words get to know the country better and was very peripherally involved in all this. Shri J despite being a Gokhale follower was at that time in a much more powerful position and amongst those who facilitated this reunification as he was on excellent terms with the Lokmanya (in fact he had defended the Lokmanya during his trial and subsequent incarceration in Kala pani the same incarceration that broke his health and prematurely caused his death in 1917). Indeed Shri J`s eloquent arguements and logical thinking swayed Gokhale to come about and Gokhale like a true Guru accepeted the greatness of his disciple and the fact that the Shishya had outdone the Guru. Mind you even Tilak while talking of Swarajya was not talking of gandhugiri but a constituional movement to achieve the goals. Indeed when he had clasehd with Shri J in the CLA over the Sarda act he told him Mohammed Ali after we get Swarajy pilot this bill and I will have it passed unanimously. It was only in post WWI environment when expecting more powers to Indians and instead getting Rowlatt that they turned to Gandhi which lead to the disastrous thing called Khilafat and subsequently partition. But a caveat must be added Gandhi was just the catalyst this pernicious and hateful philosophy which led to among other things the killing of 3,000 Hindus in the Malabar was being perfected in Deoband since the 1860’s by the same scumbags who are today called ‘nationalist’ and ‘patriotic’ Muslims by the secularists and the media. Gandhi did what he did (probably) to get more muslims into the freedom struggle, by getting involved in an issue though purely religious and of the muslims he hoped to counter the anti-congress propaganda of people like Sayyad Ahmad Khan who though dead had sown the seed of muslim separatism, checkmate people like Shri J and become the undisputed leader of the Indians both Hindu and Muslim.

Taka not (a very true name since he is not even worth ek taka you have to hand it to him his foundation that is his name is true but the building he has made false) further says “As the money came from the same fundoo pot, they all had Hindu religion totally enmeshed with politics. It is the lack of separation of Mundir and politics that destroyed unity of British-India” but this time I am lying since Khilafat was a Hindu issue and not a muslim one. No muslim ever felt for turkey and the khalia it is the Hindus who did. Also the area of concern of Muslims was cow slaughter since the muslims strongly opposed cow slaughter but since madar das dealt with only Hindu issues and sentiments he failed to appease the muslims on the issue of cow slaughter. So enraged were the muslims by cow slaughter that they wreaked vengeance on the Hindus all over India and that lead to partition.

Lies continued but we will make them truth “So Hindu fundoos hire and fund Muslim fundoos. Then the Hindu fundoos turn around and blame secular Muslims. What else is new in the La La land of Lala Ji?” So Shri J’s namesake Mohamed Ali Chotani was a Hindu and the principle funder of the congress indeed the first merchant or industrialist of any standing who funded the congress (congress membership till madar das made it 4 annas was 10 rupees a substantial amount in those days and was entirely self supporting). So this Hindu fundoo named Mohammed as in Mohamed Ali Chotani hired the Muslim fundoo also named Mohammed as in Maulana Mohamed Ali and then I a mere Hindu a kaffir have the guts to blame secular Muslims. Shri J was secular no doubt but so were his Barelvi, Shia and Ahmadi supporters. In fact the Shias and Barelvis strongly resisted any effort by the Deobandis led by Maudoodi to have the Ahmadi’s declared non muslims but could not prevail in the end as Shri Bhutto (about whom this article is) was a Deobandi. Also all subsequent rulers have been deobandi so that is why they have not been able to revert to Muslim status despite the herpic efforts of Shias and Barelvis. Oh in this I have forgotten the other secular luminaries like the founder of that paragon of secularism the Muslim league the Aga Khan and his Ismailis and the other secular muslims like Bohras and Khojas who funded the Muslim league in its pursuit of secularism and Pakistan oops sorry I mean Secularistan.

“True that Jinnah and other secular Muslims condemned lifafa movement. However it was not the first time that Jinnah challenged Mullahs/Hindus not to mix Masjid/Mundir and politics.

Muslims leaders like Ch. Fazal Hussain and Jinnah tried to stop Hindu fundoos before this lifafa (khilafa) movement was being midwifed by fundoo gandhi and other Muslim fundoos like Johars.

So beta Ji read first instead of showing your ignorance on the chowk”.

The other secular muslims are presumably those like the Barelvis et all discussed earlier. It matters little that Jinnah never used the Mandir word at any time while condemning the Khilafat movement (since these people having forever being putting words in that great mans mouth and denying some of his unIslamic sorry unsecular habbits like eating pork drinking whisky and collecting interest) and the fact that J was critical and accused madar das of the foisting a mullahocracy on the Muslims never said anything about a panditocarcy or a mandirocracy matter little to them. Even on the vexed issue of cow slaughter he advised to sort the issue by mutual resolve unlike his secular allies the Barelvis who led by the redoubtable Ahmed Riza Khan called cow slaughter a great Islamic Institution in India. Later while calling the congress a Hindu party he did accuse them of attempting to foster Hindu Raj but never a hindu theocracy. Again takanot has used a UP/Bihari word Betaji to show my ignorance instead of the Punjabi Puttar or Putra.

of course Shri Jinnah was head and shoulders above everyone else save Sardar, Bababasaheb and Veer.


A true Hindian would never put a secular Jinnah in the same sentence as Hindu fundoos. Yes of course Jinnah was secular and Pak sorry Secularistan movement was secular so what if Pakistan is an Islamic Republic and was made one by its founders hand picked successor two of the three Sardar, Bababasaheb and Veer despite never having advocated a Hindu Rashtra are Hindu Fundoos well because all Hindus are Fundoos and India is not secular because it is NOT an Islamic republic.

“Make sure you tell every Hindian that Jinnah helped reduce tension and brought the warring parties together. This is all the while Gandhi`s right-hand Muslim fundoos were flaming the sectarian fires.” Yes in 1935 J helped reduce the tension between Sikhs and Muslims but how was madar das fanning the flames. Well at this time the muslim fundoos were against Gandhi however to assuage their feelings and forever willing to sacrifice the interests of Hindus (Sikhs were considered a part of us despite stray voices to the contrary) told them to give up his claim. Oops but your so called secular neta Mian (not Ch which I take as an abbreviation of Chaudhury) Fazl-e-Hussain warned the Sikhs and Hindus of dire consequences including invasion by Afghans till any angry look by the British turned this paper tiger into a mouse. (This is the Islamic version of secularism we will have peace with other communities where we are in a majority we will give them the eternal peace of the graveyard)

And finally “And here comes the gem! drum roll please. Sanatani sahib furmatay [Again notice the use of UP Bihari language instead of Panjabi akhde/dasde etc] hain

A Hindu cannot be a fundamentalist.

hahaha! Man did you come out of a cave or something? Your retort is the same as this Mullah Bakri (goat bearded) who says ``A Muslim cannot be fundamentalist``. What is with you all fundoos? Be proud and honest of who you are! FUNDOOS. Off course fundoo and honesty are two things that are poles apart.

So learn about your history Mr. Santani. Don`t be a kana Raja sahib among history-blind (my word) Hindians.”

Ok takanot tell us how can a Hindu be a fundamentalist when there are no fundamentals he has to follow. It just cannot go into that One book to end all books abrahamic faith following brain of your that a fundamentalist one who sticks to fundamentals (in this case of religion) pray let us know which are these fundamentals which a Hindu must follow and in which book are they to be found and while you are at it also let us know in case one violates these fundamentals how one is accused of the Hindu equivalent of Shirk or Ladiniyat and how he becomes a bounty to be claimed by every Hindu by becoming the Hindu equivalent of Wajib ul Qatal. While at it also let us know the Hindu equivalents of the terms Bidat, Munafiq, Kaffir, Najas etc so eloquently described in the book to end all books of people who do not strictly follow it.

To the last well Andhon mein kaan Raja is a compliment albeit a back handed one so takanoteya (that how one would call you in Panjabi) I take it you are sufficiently impressed by me that you are giving me one. I do not blame you I doubt whether you have met (or there is anyone in that islamist hell hole of a country of yours) to match my intelligence.

In one of my previous posts I had described how we used to have issues with the local RSS leaders some of them used to say send Muslims to Pakistan or Kabristan and I used to say not to Kabristan it is too good for them send them to that Islamic hell hole called Pakistan so that they realize that there are but two tragedies in life one is not to get ones desire in life the other is to get it and also to make them realise how great Bharat Mata is and it is because of the Hindus.

Tere Phatte Chak Daye main oye Choothe bande

Sanatani

To all Hindu bretheren Mother India is good to these desh drohis but not to our own Hindu brothers whom we derisively call Dalits let us pray and start a movement that no Hindu has to call himself a Dalit (except for reasons to get reservations)

Another Post Scipt I am adin here Doctorji met Veer Savarkar for the first time in 1929 on Shri Savarkar`s release from Prison and also offerred him its leadership but there were were fundamental differences amongst the two on how this movement should go forward so Veer declined and joined the Hindu Mahasabha and once derisively said `` a person was born, joined the RSS and then he died....`` I`ll let some mis informed critic of the RSS complete this

Re: # 86 Sanatani sahib furmaatay hain

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If you read my post clearly here and elsewher on chowk you will find that I am from the west Punjab. For the record my family belongs to Mandi Bhauddin, Pind Dadan Khan, Sialkot, Bhera, Lahore, Icchhra and Emnabad,

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Sure you are! hahah!

Wonder why every Hindi Bindi on this board wants to be a Punjabi, Sindhi, or Khan etc.
But nobody wants to be even remotely connected to Bihari-Jannat or the UP-their-heaven.

Remember, if it quacks like a Bihari, $hites in public like a Bihari, walks like a Bihari, then it is a Punjabi-wanna-be i.e. Bihari.

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The RSS was born in 1925

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You know we have our Wahhabi terrorist outfits who change names on daily basis. Like one day it is lashkare-jhngvi, then LeT, and then Dawa.

The same thing is true with Hindu terrorists as well. Fundoo Hedgewar was right hand man of another fundoo Savarkar. Since the early 1900s they all got rupia from same fundoo textile mill owners. The same mill owners fired Tilak and hired + funded Gandhi. As the money came from the same fundoo pot, they all had Hindu religion totally enmeshed with politics. It is the lack of separation of Mundir and politics that destroyed unity of British-India.

Off course Hindu fundoos deny their connection to the fanatic textile mill-owners,
just like today
Wahabi fundoos deny their Ben-Ladin connection or
Shia fundoos deny their Ayatullah connection.

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[ R$$hite started ] as a reaction to the wanton killing of Hindus by Muslims post Khilafat which was condemned by everybody save Gandhi and Nehru (Moti Lal) and their Khilafatist allies like the Ali brothers and various other Maulanas.

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So Hindu fundoos hire and fund Muslim fundoos. Then the Hindu fundoos turn around and blame secular Muslims. What else is new in the La La land of Lala Ji?

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Dr Ansari and Jinnah rotundly condemned the Muslim behaviour probably the only time a leading congress muslim ever did that

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True that Jinnah and other secular Muslims condemned lifafa movement. However it was not the first time that Jinnah challenged Mullahs/Hindus not to mix Masjid/Mundir and politics.

Muslims leaders like Ch. Fazal Hussain and Jinnah tried to stop Hindu fundoos before this lifafa (khilafa) movement was being midwifed by fundoo gandhi and other Muslim fundoos like Johars.

So beta Ji read first instead of showing your ignorance on the chowk.

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of course Shri Jinnah was head and shoulders above everyone else save Sardar, Bababasahed and Veer.

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A true Hindian would never put a secular Jinnah in the same sentence as Hindu fundoos.

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Pre partition is Shahidganj Masjid and I have already commended Shri Jinnah`s role in the same.

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Make sure you tell every Hindian that Jinnah helped reduce tension and brought the warring parties together. This is all the while Gandhi`s right-hand Muslim fundoos were flaming the sectarian fires.


And here comes the gem! drum roll please. Sanatani sahib furmatay hain

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A Hindu cannot be a fundamentalist.

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hahaha! Man did you come out of a cave or something? Your retort is the same as this Mullah Bakri (goat bearded) who says ``A Muslim cannot be fundamentalist``. What is with you all fundoos? Be proud and honest of who you are! FUNDOOS. Offcourse fundoo and honesty are two things that are poles apart.

So learn about your history Mr. Santani. Don`t be a kana Raja sahib among history-blind (my word) Hindians.

#86 Sanatani

Ama yaar, clearly we disagree on a few significant issues - especially regarding the secular vision for India. However, let me digress from those issues for a minute and thank you profusely for exposing this Taiko character`s bald-faced lies!

The problem with many Pakistanis is they think that repeating untruths endlessly will transform those into truths.

And for some Pakistanis - mostly well-meaning - the thought process involves looking away from harsh realities of their land and those untruths - as if feigning innocence of the same will make those realities scram! They think - ``let me close my eyes and when I open them the next time, presto!``

It never shall.