How Not to get Irritated with Hindi

#48 by VRV on December 4, 2006 7:20pm PT
Re: # 45

BJ,

Though I disagree with Hari on many issues here, I agree with him on language issue.

The Union govt is spending hundreds of crores of Rupees on teaching/spreading Hindi among non-Hindi speakers whereas there are crores of illiterates in BIMARU states, where Hindi is the mother tongue. How ridiculous!

What u call Hindi is not an Indian language in strictest sense but a language that was a super-hybrid implanted in India by Persian rulers who called themselves as Indians. What u call Hindi as Indian language is Indian in script but not in speech. Why we Indians of 100-odd crores ought to follow a language that was imposed by outsiders, knowing fully well that the protoganists of that pseudo-Persian language fell-out of us (i.e Pakistanis)?

(I know I am opening Pandora Box by raising the question of the lingua franca of India. English too fits the similar description I gave abt Hindi).

Re: # 45

BJ,

Though I disagree with Hari on many issues here, I agree with him on language issue.

The Union govt is spending hundreds of crores of Rupees on teaching/spreading Hindi among non-Hindi speakers whereas there are crores on illiterates in BIMARU states, where Hindi is the mother tongue of those people. How ridiculous!

What u call it Hindi is not an Indian language in strictest sense but a language that was a super-hybrid lingo implanted in India by Persian rulers who called themselves as Indians. What u call Hindi as Indian language is an Indian one in script but not in speech. Why we Indians of 100-odd crores follow a language that was imposed on us by outsiders, knowing fully well that the protoganists of that language fell-out of us?

(I know I am opening Pandora Box by raising the question of the lingua franca of India. English too fits the similar description I gave abt Hindi).

Ref bjkumar #45

[Ama dad, I think quite a few of those folks missed the escape velocity as far as the language is concerned. Most Tamils I know speak Hindi.]

Even I do. Just all the swear words so that I can abuse anyone who asks me why as an Indian I don`t speak the ``national`` language Hindi.

[You see, the gravitational pull of those Hindi movies is far stronger than anything a government could ever come up with! One can never accomplish the necessary escape velocity.

And there is no escape!]

Quite a few Hindi movies used to be made in Chennai. So we push out crap over which you Northies drool!

Re: #42 by bjkumar on December 2, 2006 11:33am PT

Message to the endless chowkwalies from beej

``Abhi to mein jawan hoon, abhi to mein jawan hon, abhi to mein jawan hoo, la la la la la la``

Beej, when are you growing. no no, how old are you? I`m officially droping a line.

Love,
RB

#44

[the smart ones figured out that if they could get a job with Tata Consulting Services, they could reach escape velocity and leave India and stupid Hindi behind forever. Though the numbers were very small then, it started growing by the mid-1980s. Right now, the commonest language spoken in Silicon Valley among Indians is not Hindi but Telugu and Tamil. ]

Ama dad, I think quite a few of those folks missed the escape velocity as far as the language is concerned. Most Tamils I know speak Hindi.

Or what THEY claim is Hindi, anyway.

But then that`s how the language evolves!

You see, the gravitational pull of those Hindi movies is far stronger than anything a government could ever come up with! One can never accomplish the necessary escape velocity.

And there is no escape!

Ref nb #22

[What i do find interesting,though, is that when I was at school there were significant anti-hindi movements all over the South and elsewhere as well. You don`t see them any more. I don`t think it`s entirely Hindi films either, but I think they may have played a role. It just shows everything really can be solved with money-people stopped caring when they had more money!]

Compulsory learning of Hindi was an issue when the stupid Indian government was practically a Communist government monopolizing all industries and having a say on how you lead your life. Exactly what use would Hindi be to an employee of, let us say, State Bank of India working in a remote coastal village in Bengal, Kerala or Andhra? Yet all government employees were supposed to learn and use Hindi in their official capacity.

What happened is that with the introduction of IT jobs, young folks saw an escape from the clutches of the government stranglehold on jobs. Even in the 1970s, the smart ones figured out that if they could get a job with Tata Consulting Services, they could reach escape velocity and leave India and stupid Hindi behind forever. Though the numbers were very small then, it started growing by the mid-1980s. Right now, the commonest language spoken in Silicon Valley among Indians is not Hindi but Telugu and Tamil.

I am glad the frikking North Indians imposed Hindi on the country and refused to learn English. It has truly separated the lazy bums of North India from the industrious Southies and has left the North Indians to the tender mercies of Lallu Prasad Yadav, Mayawati, Mulayam Singh Yadav and that female dog imported from Italy to improve the bloodlines of an Allahabad family.

Ref Inji-kari-kuzhambu #14

[Gopalakrishnan- sar, engaging read, but i`m not convinced that hindi has `blanketed` all of india. Most younger folks in madras know little or no hindi - they have no need for trashy hindi movies when they have their own unlimited supply of trashy tamil movies.]

Hey, I thought you were proud of Tamil culture! What happened to you? Your wife is no longer/never was the submissive type portrayed in Tamil movies?

Anyway, I had pegged you as one of all of 39 persons who has watched Doctor Artist Leader Chief Minister Fund of Compassion`s ``Kannamma`` or ``Mannin Maindhan``. Don`t tell me I was wrong. I would be heartbroken and so would be the ``teardrops``.....er, DMK members.

PS. How about translating a different song extolling Tamil culture? This one is: ``Thee pidikka thee pidikka muththam koduda``.

#41 Ama Gopal Sahib

(Note: You are truly hitting ``below the belt``!You have to be careful. Your allusion to my latest ``love`` will leave countless ladies of the chowk heart-broken. (And perhaps even more countless ladies of the chowk relieved!) Khair!)

Back in the sixties, there was an active attempt to more aggressively popularize the Hindi language in geographical areas of India where it was not generally used. There may have been a bit of opposition to this on the part of the general population – but as is typical, for the most of the population, the response was mostly apathy. However, it provided a good excuse for “regional” politicians (funny how quickly they trade that hat for a “national” one at the first opportunity of power!) to create local agitations. There were also agitations in the Hindi belt in support of Hindi.

The whole idea of imposing a language makes very little sense anyway – since language is a tool of communication and whatever works best for a particular setup should be used. Therefore, with technical subjects English makes sense (no need to translate technical text and having to invent (artificial) technical terms in the destination language), and in teaching about literature – the language it is specific to.

The central government took its lessons from the agitations – that the cost was not worth the benefit, and did not pursue it any more. (Compare that with the example across the border – of trying to impose Urdu over the Bengalis – and its results!)

But India continued to grow, and to evolve – and nationalism automatically overran the regionalism – which is the logical outcome when the nation reflects the aspiration of ALL its citizens and does not run rough-shod over them! Bollywood and other media have done their job and accomplished what would have been unthinkable forty years go.

But because the nation continues to evolve, the language of its people does so too – because it reflects those very people. Therefore, the changing syntax and the changing vocabulary, and the changing everything about Hindi is a GOOD thing. It shows that the country is thriving in other respects, too.

The language will come up with new words and different words because a healthy language of a healthy people must be able to accommodate new situations and different situations and a better tomorrow!

So, go celebrate the diversity!

Dear interactors,
I liked the comments so far, and I would pick Jay1 for enlightening me the most. He is really experienced as is evident and very knowledgeable.

bjkumar seems to have fallen in love with razia and that is something to worry for everybody.

By the way, do not imagine, readers, that I torment myself for ``not getting respect as an elder``. If you read a sad poem, do not assume that that poet is always sad! A writer`s art is in exaggerated focus on a momentary issue too, not necessarily momentous issue! Mumbaiyya Hindi torments me as much as the torment I suffer when I have to type out my inextricably jumbled password given to me by chowk editors that I cannot easily remember!
-V.S.Gopalakrishnan

Re: # 38

aw, that made me feel much better --and yep no trusting 30+ :)

In your post #36 on December 1, 2006 5:11pm PT
you said ``Ama Razia begum, ...``

That`s what i was refering to. But that`s cool now that you have apologized :)

Peace,
RB

Re: # 24

Thank you sir. I came back and re-read it thinking you maytake a dim view of the tone but glad to know my instincts were right :))

#37 by raziab9

My dear Razia, you are not bad with words yourself!

And one more thing – this one is rather private (so EVERYBODY else please look away!)Okay Razia, now come a bit closer – yup, that ear – bring it close to me – just about there! That’s right!

Psst, let me tell you this!

The reference “ma’m” is not a reference to age – it’s merely a term of respect I use for referring to ladies!

All right, you are hereby granted that precious commodity – the abhai-daan.

And just one more thing!

NEVER trust anyone over thirty.

No matter how they make you feel at ease!

Even the Beej!

Re: # 36 bjkumar

dear kumar I already love you --that`s why I have followed up with your posts so far.
And ha-ha for that feminism, that was mockery by me to someone else --the posts there were a dumbo. But u happened to use my ``rooaring`` example well :D G`job!

Wow, and your language is jumping roofs. Calm down. I know you`ve got a good vocab and language skills but let`s just use them properly.

PS. i`m yet under 20 so get the ``lady`` thing out of mind

luv,
RB

#35 RaziaB

Ama Razia begum, thanks!

Thank you for your good wishes! I am overwhelmed.

(Can we fall in love, now?!!)

You are a shining example to hold in front of the fair maidens (and the not so fair maidens (probably the majority)) of Pakistan!

YOU are exactly what the Qaid needs, has always needed, and shall forever need to get that country marching on the path to progress – toward the relentless pursuit of knowledge, prosperity, and everything else that constitutes happiness (other than a khaki cover)!

Let feminism roar!

A sense of humor comes handy! I am sure you have tonnes of it.

Let feminism roar through your voice!

Let your feminism roar – even as the great ladies of Pakistan – of the land of the Pure – keep their mouths shut tighter than a clam while getting raped by the khakis, the mullahs, and all the other lowly creatures of that great lund!

Re: # 32 by bjkumar

Man of letters + a dragger

See how far things have dragged?

Good for you,
RB

PS. if you`re up to taking anger mgmt classes then join rightaway --otherwise who knows how old you`ll get while refusing to grow.

If you don’t – I got bad news for you!

You are old, old, old…..!

Now, you have been told!

Re: # 33

Yeap, I`ve started to enjoy all the posts by now.

Goodday,
RB

RAZIA SULTANA,

Ur analysis is incorrect. When I addressed Mr. Gopalakrishnan in my first post I am not sure of his age but when doing it second time I became aware of his age, so I gave a respectful address, which I always do for elders.

I type caps (i did for ur name as well), I am giving emphasis.....nothing else.

Controlled anger is like cold fusion. I dont burst-off except on UP. Here on FP I tick-off people who resort to falsehoods, biases.

As for my DC friend BJ, he`s sarcastic and a man of letters. Enjoy his posts.

#30

Ama yaar, you make good point about anger management!

You make a good point - for a Pakistani, that is!

Folks like me should consider taking anger management classes.

Can we bring the vast hordes of Pakistani masses with us?!!

You know the type of masses, the darlings of Pakistan, who hit the streets protesting at the drop of a hat.

And at whose sight....

Ladies like you start running - for fear of getting molested! Leaving a trail of your liquid behind you.

Re: # 20 by VRV


Eventhough you addressed him with ``Sir``, your writing shows quiet disrespect. Let`s not even get to that. Your very first post addresses him with VG.

When you type in CAPS LOCK, it means you`re MAD!

:)

Re: # 19 by bjkumar

I`d recommend that you rather join a chatroom for anger managment too --Just as VRV needs to

Take good care,
RB

#26 Harish

[The poise, the grace and elegance that she possessed]

Yeah, but we all know what the REAL question is.

Or should have been!

Was she any good in bed?!!

#22 nb
[It`s not really Hindi that`s annoying you then, but the lack of respect people give you.]

Old man VG is certainly barking up the wrong tree!

Looking for RESPECT!

Around HERE!

I think he should go have a sob-session with the Gillster!

Perhaps apply for membership into the ``beaten to a pulp`` anonymous club.

Okay, who wants to go first?!!

Ass-whippers - get your ass into gear!

I used to find the way people in Bombay use the second person familiar annoying and rude. -- NB.

Bombay is no longer a cosmopolitan city. Thanks to Shiv Sena politics, they started believing in `thok shahi`.

Hindi, as VSG said, gained acceptability outside cow-belt, though there are limitations of that language as a functional lingo for education and tech advancement. Hindi became our official language by a wafer-thin majority (i.e one vote). It was supposed tp upstage English gradually. Instead, English took roots as an Indian language simulteneously.

People who know their India wud never argue that India shud be a one-language country. Instead we shud become a country with people speaking multiple languages (at least 3). Unfortunately, this 3-language formula is meant for non-Hindi speakers, it seems. I dont know of any Hindi speaking state that has this 3-lingo formula being implemented (Haryana may be an exception).

As for Bombayya Hindi, Munnabhai MBBS is a better namoona, I think.

#25 by nb

I miss Salma Sultan.What ever happened to her?

No idea! Haven`t tuned into DD for years now, but she was one of the finest newsreaders, wasn`t she? The poise, the grace and elegance that she possessed, I haven`t seen in anyone of the cable era.

Re: # 23
I miss Salma Sultan.What ever happened to her?

Re: # 21

Hi Burpinder,
You are great! That is terrific sense of humour!
-V.S.Gopalakrishnan

#22 by nb

What i do find interesting,though, is that when I was at school there were significant anti-hindi movements all over the South and elsewhere as well. You don`t see them any more. I don`t think it`s entirely Hindi films either, but I think they may have played a role. It just shows everything really can be solved with money-people stopped caring when they had more money!

I`ve been visiting relatives in Tamil Nadu on and off for the past few years and I`ve observed from close quarters the way Hindi is slowly gaining acceptance. Almost every kid now speaks at least passable Hindi, and the main reason for this seems to be cable TV. In the pre-cable days, every Hindi program beamed from Delhi (even the daily news capsule) used to be translated into Tamil. It used to be a funny sight with newsreaders like Salma Sultan speaking chaste Tamil :-) But now with almost 20-30 Hindi channels on offer blaring songs and movies 24/7, even oldies from the earlier generations do manage to pick up some of it.

It`s not really Hindi that`s annoying you then, but the lack of respect people give you. I used to find the way people in Bombay use the second person familiar annoying and rude.
What i do find interesting,though, is that when I was at school there were significant anti-hindi movements all over the South and elsewhere as well. You don`t see them any more. I don`t think it`s entirely Hindi films either, but I think they may have played a role. It just shows everything really can be solved with money-people stopped caring when they had more money!

You stoopid tambrahm, ``idhar aao`` is certainly not Bambaiyya Hindi. Plus, it is nothing to be offended by. The ``o`` ending is used with `aap` (respectful form of `you`) as well as ``tum`` (semi-respectful form). If the guy was being disrespectful, he`d say somethign like ``Abey buddhay, jaa na, kayko dimmag chaat rela hai``. Chamka?

Re: # 18

Razia Sultana,

India use to produce 1K films but they now came down, I dont know how many (dont know the exact number).

I dont know much abt u but u know abt me!

I am not an angry type. Since Mr. VSG is a buzurg I used an honourary `Sir` while replying to him.

Kamath,

I gave my reply to ur point & am waiting for urs as u made some uncharitable obsrvation abt me. I expect u to qualify that observation with some evidence or I take ur silence as consent to Freudian Slip.

#16 Razia B

Ama yaar, go easy on me, will ya?!!

Otherwise...

Otherwise, otherwise, otherwise....

Otherwise you won`t go easy on me!!

Easy now!

Re: # 8 by VRV

VRV --stop blabbing about ``600`` movies in India. I`m sure it`s graceful for india to make even a larger # but GOODNESS you`re loosing the point of the article. Even 600 would have quiet an impact.

I`d recommend that you rather join a chatroom for anger managment...

:) RB

Re: # 4 by vsgopal2000 (Varakur Gopalakrishnan)

Jee VG! Language many times shapes the culture.



Guys: if you don`t see the difference when someone says ``dijiyee`` or ``do`` then I could reasonably conclude that language, and even culture, means nothing to you. Goodluck to your reasoning...

RB

Re: # 2 by Bjkimar (BJ)

Hoping that chowk sometime will realize how sikin` tiring your biased shit is Mr/Mrs BJ

Seems like you`re never going to grow. Stop personally attacking indivs honey. You had lost respect for yourself since i read 2 posts of yours.

VS-ji,

You forgot to mention the stupefying Ministry of Hindi which is part of the Central Goverment. Their phone listings alone take up 4-5 pages of the delhi telephone book. Needless to say, these people havent done a single thing to actually promote hindi as a real language, they are only busy passing each other files on the subject.

Years ago, when I was looking for a few books to help non-indian members of my family learn hindi, I found that there wasnt a single resource available from these wastrels on the subject. Instead, I found that a few private sector publishers had created books and in addition a few americans had published some materials. Quite a story, huh?

So now you know where some of our govt funds are being wasted !!

Of course, bombay films have done an incredibly job transmitting a simple and somewhat urduized hindi throughout india. A good thing in my opinion, we need as many link languages as possible.

I still remember travelling to Shillong and NE tribal areas in the 70s. Everyone assurred me they hated india, indians and indian culture. After that they would take out their guitars and spend all evening singing every hindi song written since 1920! Others had memorized dialogs from movies like Don and Sholay end-to-end back-to-front.

Gopalakrishnan- sar, engaging read, but i`m not convinced that hindi has `blanketed` all of india. Most younger folks in madras know little or no hindi - they have no need for trashy hindi movies when they have their own unlimited supply of trashy tamil movies.

Gopalakrishnan:
You are irritated by the decline of mannerism. Hindi as a national issue does not have much to do with your troubles. Though those may be most important to you.

Infinitely more important is the narrow mindedness of Hindi speakers. They have tried to use Hindi as a tool for political power. More importantly they have proved to be incapable of adopting other Indian languages for enriching the melieu in Hindi as well as their own mental horizon.

Before someone thinks I am a rabid Bengali or Tamilian, I state that that I am a hindi speaking and loving person from Allahabad.

how languages beguile people..
in the middle east, one would think, ``muslim`` arabs would NEVER speak any sanskrit words..but hear the announcement on the mobile when the user at the other end is not reachable!
It ends with ``seema baad``.
This ``seema`` is the sanskrit word for marathi ``Veshi`` gujju ``seem`` meaning the village boundary or city limit.
Both words are always used in gujarat and maharashtra and all over india in same context.
Here in UAE people use it thinking it is an Arabic word!!

And we have subcontinental jahils worshipping urdu (yes even in pakistan) who use and never understand that many of the khadi boli components of urdu are just that! precise words from sanskrit that have become lease words in ``urdu``.
examples:-
1 ``ek`` or ``ik`` for 1 (Ekoham viprah bahudah vadanti! ``i am one, the wise refer to me by many names``).
2 - ``Aab`` as in Do-aab (fork in the river), ``panj ab`` 5 rivers, (Aap is one of the 5 elemental components of the physical world..prithvi, aap, tej, vayu and aakaash)
3 - regh (sand) sanskrit raja as in raja-kana grain of sand.
4 - all numeral names from ek to dus and onwards! The turkish-arab jahils around Bin Cassim`s time, could hardly count much, like their greco roman compatriots.

Their reaissance happened much later, during the times of ``andalusia`` in spain!
Jayen

#10..
Are baba ...that was why i enclosed urdu in quotes...
The jahils who just ``happened to be muslims`` either by conversion or choice..from central and southern india..(mostly from the less polished starta of society sadly)..often thought of the hindi spoken by incoming mughal troops (Not all mughal troops spoke chaste & paak urdu mind you, most spoke khadi boli only) ..mistook hindi as ``that ``nice`` ..just because it was non-hindu.. language and tried to ape it, lifting ``nakko`` for no, in the bargain!!

Listen to a hyderabadi speak ``his urdu`` when he does not suspect he is being watched by a suspicious paki! You will die laughing!

Likewise with our maharashtrian muslims! ``UF! TAUBA!!`` is all you will say as in their zeal & hate of marathi, their mother tongue, they become ``na ghar ke na ghat ke``!!

Southern muslims like ones from tamilnadu speak in their own tamil language and are quite at ease with it, which is VERY PRAISEWORTHY.

Lastly hope you realise that ``chaste urdu`` is actually nothing but a hotch-potch of ``khadi boli`` and Farsi & some Arabic words.
Its own name dreiving from the word in Turkish for ``cantonment``.

Regarding usage of ``aap`s`` for all and sundry including children, maharashtrian & even other indians would find that quite laughable.
Even english lacks proper words for usage in place of ``aap`` and ``hum`` when referring to one person only...Emperors referring to themselves as ``we, our`` etc. which appeared really strange!!

Yet urdu lovers will fall over each other in extolling english and belittling similar & indo-european (english is one, along with marathi) indian languages.

Bhai saab! Seekho aur samjho, bad mein bolo.
Jayen

Is Luknowi Hindi not Urdu? Excuse my ignorance i`m not from India so i dont know, but i thought Luknow was famous for its Urdu, is it also famous for Hindi?

Gopalakrishnan Sahib, i think you should make a trip to Pakistan. You would be pleasantly surprised. Most people dont talk to strangers or elders using the `tum` pronoun or any of its verb forms. I am also dissapointed to hear that that is the case in Mumbai.

Vaisey (not just because i am Pakistani) but i have always found Urdu to be much more flowing and more refined than Hindi. All you have to do is see the Hindi news on Star and then see the Urdu news on Geo. (Tho my fav Hindi speaker is Vajpayee - he speaks pure, and perfect Hindi)

The fact that many Hindi speakers (not becasue they cant, but cause they choose to) pronounce kh as a k and gh a g, makes them sound uneducated and unrefined in their speech.

Prime example Aishwarya in Umrao Jaan `kabar ayii hai` she ruined it by saying it like that, all it would have took was a little bit of exercise to get it correct and so much more credence would have been lent to the role she played.

From what little i know, in devanagri if you add a little dot under the letters kh and gh you get the required sounds for saying khabar and ghareeb correctly, so why don`t you guys use it?

Hi all..
I feel it is the ``mumbaiyya`` influence that has undone ``pristine hindi.
It started with the practice amongst ``mohammedan maharashtrian converts``, (and the hydrabadi variety)..to ``try and speak`` `urdu`..(read that as plain hindi), that they wrongly associated with ``superior northern`` ``asli muslims``!!


Hence you started to have the strange ``Nakko`` in hyderabadi, which is a straight marathi import into ``their urdu``. (old habit bien what they atre).

A hyderabadi saying ..``Aiyo! Kaisee baatein kartaan?`` ..is actually saying ``Are! Kahya goshtee kartos?`` in marathi that he never learned, but which his newly converted ancestors spoke before migrating to ``muslim dakkhan``!
The ``muslim locals`` then picked that up, and the latest variety has simply acquired that by ``cultural osmosis``!

``Khadela hai`` is a literal translation from marathi ``ubhe ahe / ubha ahe``..

This type of hindi was at first chiefly spoken by the unwahed classes of bombay..the chai walas, tapriwals..who needed to converse with non maharashtrians in some link language that ``they knew``.
It happened to be hindi picked up from films, and molded to the marathi roughness.
Mharashtrains habitually refer to people in singulars..like ``boss bolala`` (meaning boss said).
It lacks hindi ``polish`` where one would have said ``boss bole ki`` (in hindi bola significantly differs from bole, in degree of respect assigned to the word ``boss``).

This degree is lacking in conventionally spoken ``good marathi`` even.
hence ones near and dear ones like mom, sister, maternal uncle etc and other non related ones are often referred to in ``non-respectful`` (NOT DIS-RESPECTFUL) singular terms.

``Ai bolali, akka boalali, mama bolala`` etc
in hindi it would have become ``matahi boli, ji boli, mamaji bole etc.

By singular i really meant ``ekeri`` as signified in marathi for non-repectful term.

It appears the ``melting pot`` of mumbai and the fact that it churned out hindi movies from there, and the fact that a whole lot of non -maharashtrian who were also non-hindis, promoted a new variety of ``pop-hindi that was copied in films, which was actually ``marathi-hindi (anglo-hindi too to some extent).

The word mangta comes from them (which is used in place of chahiye).
That word for a strange reason came more easily to anglo-indians than marashtrians!
Even christian ladies in hindi films liek a nun / a moll named ``liliy`` etc would be mouthing ``mangta`` a dozen times in a couple of minutes!!


In gujarat (amongst gujju muslims) is a totally hilarious and new kind of hindi.
examples...``ubhela`` in place of khadela!

If bollywood had surat / bharuch as its base, we would have been deluged with that kind of hindi!!

But one must give more credit to gujju muslims.

they have remained more faithful to gujarati than maharashtrian muslims have remained to marathi!

The latter positively detest speaking marathi, and will go on in ``urdu`` instead!!
[which will take a stupefying effort on others present not to laugh]

Does any one agree?
Jayen

Re: # 6

Dear Kamath,

If u remember I gave full info abt the films on a Bollywood article by a Pakistani.

Again pl think abt the 600 films in Hindi! It`s meant that they release 2 films per day in Hindi????? Think abt it?

Re: # 5

VSG Sir,

This is incorrect. As an IAS breed u must be clearer abt facts.

>>And thanks mainly to the six hundred and odd Hindi movies ........ that emanate from Bollywood every year<<

(BJ: Cookie-cutter template;))

Hindi films made in Bollywood i.e Bombay are around 25% of the movies made in India but in the western press, National Geographic, Time and the like keep writing that ALL the films made in ALL languages in India are clubbed as Bollywood! The reality is Hindi films i.e Bollywood makes around 1/4th of movies in India. THAT`S THE HOLE In ur article. Therefore 600+ of Bollywood films is wrong.

Rest is good and readable.

Thanks & Regards.

Re: # 5

He (VRV, I mean!) does not have any facts!! He likes to say something opposite just make himself heard. Facts don`t count for him.
Kamath

Re: # 1
Dear VRV,
Where am I wrong and what is the fact that you have?
Thanks
-V.S.Gopalakrishnan

Re: # 2
Thanks for your comments. You are clever and poetic (e.g.,you are old, now you are told) but unfortunately dreamy and unrealistic. I did not want to use the word `utopian`.

I do understand the people around me and respect them if not ``love`` them in whatever sense you meant it. I am not haughty. When I talk to a vendor or a watchman I do not use the expressions like ``mujhe devo`` and ``isko pakdo`` etc. I use the infinitive and say ``mujhe dena```and ``usko pakadna`` etc. That is a fairly reasonable equal treatment to anyone.

You have heard of the expression ``mind your language``. Language is important. It is a denominator of culture.
-V.S.Gopalakrishnan

``I would however put Uma Bharati on a high pedestal – her flawless flow is a virtual deluge drawing you into a vortex of stupefied admiration.``(Gopalakrishnan)

Gopala -- are you sure if its her ``flawless flow`` or flawless flab that draws you into her vortex of stupified admiration...?

Ama yaar, if you love somebody – I mean, if you really, truly LOVE them, you should stop trying to impose on them and you should not be expecting them to behave in certain ways – especially and certainly not according to conformance with cookie-cutter templates.

Therefore, if you love the people you live amongst, you will love the way they eat, the way they drink, and the way they talk!

And you will continue to love them in spite of whatever way they speak a language and no matter how much different YOU would have spoken it.

It’s the people – it’s always about the people, people!

And what about those of you who don’t get this very simple fact?!

If you don’t – I got bad news for you!

You are old, old, old…..!

Now, you have been told!

VG,

>>>And thanks mainly to the six hundred and odd Hindi movies ........ that emanate from Bollywood every year.<<<

U are wrong on basic facts. Except this BIG HOLE in ur article everything is good., readable.