Stagnating Pakistan-Iran Relations

#121 by behram1 on December 3, 2006 7:17pm PT

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If your intent is to defame Iran based on religious discrimination then you could have identified the Bahais.

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hahah! defame Iran? moi?

Look! Ayatullahs and their little pipsqueak midget is doing mighty good job in this department of defaming Iran. A minor discussion in chowk.com can never do in 100 years what bay-nijat can do in 30 seconds. So rest easy my chowki associate! Rest easy!

BTW thanks for adding Bahais to the list of minorities persecuted by Ayatullahtic regime. That simply proves my point, that Iranian leadership are simply nutcases to the core. As long as the current regime is ruling Iran, we can never be their friends.

And yes we need to nip the Wahabi evil with full force. The last thing we need to see is these evil people harassing minorities in Pakistan.

#117 by tahmed32 on December 3, 2006 1:50pm PT

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behram: I think you make an important point about parsis setting an example of basically not getting into religious politics. This is certainly very true.

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Aahhmm! T sahib, it was me suggesting that other minorities should follow Parsi example. Nobody bothers you, and you contributes to your society.

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While I have a lot of sympathy for ahmedis and shias who have been hounded by the mullah scum - the fact is that both groups were quite aggressive in trying to spread their belief and/or influence,

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Yeap! anyone supporting ayatullahs today should remember this. Sunnis in Iran will be crushed the next day if they ever start ``Tehrike- Nifaze- Fiqah - Wahabia`` (mirror image of Tehrike Nifaze fiqah Jafria``)

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#116 by tahmed32 on December 3, 2006 1:45pm PT
taikanout bro: I am glad you admired the math I put together. Thanks.

PS: As you will notice from the above, I am a simple-minded fellow and sarcasm is therefore lost on me. :-)

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T sahib, no sarchasm. You definitely left out Ayatullahs out of that equation. Other than than your model was pretty good representation.

behram: I think you make an important point about parsis setting an example of basically not getting into religious politics. This is certainly very true.

While I have a lot of sympathy for ahmedis and shias who have been hounded by the mullah scum - the fact is that both groups were quite aggressive in trying to spread their belief and/or influence, and so ran head-on to the sunni mullahs trying to do the same thing.

taikanout bro: I am glad you admired the math I put together. Thanks.

PS: As you will notice from the above, I am a simple-minded fellow and sarcasm is therefore lost on me. :-)

but seriously - aside from your sarcasm and anger at poor lil general Zia being held responsible for mullahism in pakistan (imagine!!), I dont see you saying anything much of substance. If you do, please state succinctly. Thank you in advance for your consideration.

#109 by taikonaut on December 3, 2006 12:38pm PT

yes..India was socialist for 50+ years..but 15 years of somewhat freemarket system and India already has more major companies and billionaires than you can shake a paki stick at...what does the land of the pure have? not one major company like infosys or reliance and not one billionaire...all you have are the mega-agriculturists growing whatever you`re smoking...

#108 by behram-islamist-baba

[Yes, it is the Iranian culture that you must never forget. And you must never forget who you are as a people, regardless of the rulers of Iran. ]

Yes. How can you forget Iranian culture, eh? Iran gave the following great things to the world:

1) Cuisine: Boiled rice and burnt tomatoes as persian cuisine.

2) Music: Ghazals for romancing little boys in order to bugger them later.

3) Science and Technology: Um... er... nothing....

4) Religion: Ayatollahs....

Re: # 114 by krishna_abcd on December 3, 2006 1:37pm PT

Lord Krishna:

If you insist to be acknowledged with your presence in these discussions about the Persians, you could just remember that the Persian blood line is in those Hindoo Brahmins as well, who revolve around fire several times to get some stupid hindoo women married, who will more likely be burnt for non-payment of expected dowry, once this Hindoo meritocrat enjoys the first few nights of brand new sexual escapades with an unsuspecting Hindoo virgin, huh!

At 77 minutes per hindoo women being burnt in Hindoo Land, or tomatoes being burnt in Iranian cuisine, do you have any idea which one would the civilized world prefer?

#110 by behram1 on December 3, 2006 12:45pm PT

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The jews were never kicked out of Iran

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Ayatullahs kicked out hundreds (if not thousands) of Jews. Some of them stayed in Pakistan for many years before moving on to Australia, UK, and USA.

There are family pictures pictures in hour household with some of those families. These pictures along with first hand account clearly shows that Jews were persecuted and kicked out by Ayatullahs.

There is no denying there are still Jews living in Iran. But the same holds for Nazi Germany. There were some Jews left in Germany even after their persecution by Hitler`s.

Re: # 113 by taikonaut on December 3, 2006 1:11pm PT

You are bogus and erroneous on a major count. If your intent is to defame Iran based on religious discrimination then you could have identified the Bahais. Since, you did not; it just shows that you are some Wahhabi implant in these discussions. You should also be knowing that sunnism is far from Wahhabi`s, at least most of my muslim friends tell me so. Hiding inside the cloak of sunnism does not bode well for the modern day wallabies of Islamic Brotherhood. Only wahabis would make a show and tell about how pious their belief system is. Most of my Pakistani sunni friends have nothing to do with these sorts of gamesmanship.

Only Islamic Brotherhood people would tell my muslim friend who greeted him with an Assam-alaikum in a bathroom that it is ``impure (najes) `` to wish salaam to a muslim in a rest room.

When I heard such a ridiculous comment, I asked my muslim friend to ask that idiot from Islamic Brotherhood where does he conduct his wazoo before prayers. Is that lavatory not inside some rest room?

pakis

Don`t worry too much about iran... the way iranians are hurtling towards the confrontation with great satan - soon there won`t be much of iran left to worry about... great satan is already planing for the rediation treatment... :)

[Your assertion fails on many examples. Why were the Iranian Jews kicked out by Ayatullahs even when the Jews do not proselytize?]

The jews were never kicked out of Iran or for that matter from Pakistan. There are still many jews left in Iran. Discrimination against the minorities is ingrained in those societies, regardless who the mojorities are. Muslims definitely continue to discriminate against the minorities, and that must be addressed.

#95 by Naqshbandi on December 3, 2006 8:14am PT


Mr. Zia al Haq and billions of Saudi petro-dollars.


and for the record, the vast majority of pakis were for Zia`s policy in afghanistan..the whole idea of indoctrination of the paki population to produce islamic jihadis...

most pakis were down with it when the policy was bringing them american aid and saudi $$...

now, for the pakis, the afghan policy is like bellbottoms...people who wore them in the 70s completely deny wearing them because it looks ridiculous now...

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[now, for the pakis, the afghan policy is like bellbottoms...people who wore them in the 70s completely deny wearing them because it looks ridiculous now...]

No, you are wrong as usual. Actually, I bought one the other day and I have never denied wearing them in the 70s. Your autism is taking a huge toll on your myopic view of the world.

Did you forget to take your prescription drugs, again?

Re: # 106 Arjun spouts

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he vast majority of pakis were for Zia`s policy in afghanistan..the whole idea of indoctrination of the paki population to produce islamic jihadis...

most pakis were down with it when the policy was bringing them american aid and saudi $$...

now, for the pakis, the afghan policy is like bellbottoms...people who wore them in the 70s completely deny wearing them because it looks ridiculous now...

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Look who is talking. These Bihari commie-suckers were selling their mata Ji to Ruskies for 50 years. Now that Ruski rubel is gone, they are desparately trying to be Sam-suckers and be proud of it.

Talk about ideals. Commies turned capitalist as soon as Rubel stopped. Then these Bihari BIMAROU bindi pipsqueaks make monkey faces to Pakistanis. hahahha.

[However we should never ignore the fact that our tiny minorities like Parsis have survived and even thrived in the same environment.]

The main reason Parsees survive is because they do not convert people in to their faith. This is very smart politically. Proselytizing one`s faith has been the major reason of fights and arguments between faiths that go out of their way in proselitization.

Re: #104 by behram1 on December 3, 2006 12:14pm PT

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The main reason Parsees survive is because they do not convert people in to their faith. This is very smart politically. Proselytizing one`s faith has been the major reason of fights and arguments between faiths that go out of their way in proselitization.

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Conversion plays a role towards inflaming the majority for sure. However there are many other factors.

Your assertion fails on many examples. Why were the Iranian Jews kicked out by Ayatullahs even when the Jews do not proselytize?

Being secular, apolitical, and business oriented are all those factors that help a minority thrive in an alien region.

Shias should have been at the forefront of secularist trends in Pakistan. Unfortunately many of them chose to be the Ayatullah-lackeys. They received money and arms from Iran. Parsis on the other hand do not bring any such ills to Pakistan and that is why they are largely spared.

p.s. Off course many Sunnis chose to be lackeys of Saudi Wahabis. Even now our FATA area is in trouble because many Sunnis there want to align themselves with wahabis.