Stagnating Pakistan-Iran Relations

#110 by behram1 on December 3, 2006 12:45pm PT

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The jews were never kicked out of Iran

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Ayatullahs kicked out hundreds (if not thousands) of Jews. Some of them stayed in Pakistan for many years before moving on to Australia, UK, and USA.

There are family pictures pictures in hour household with some of those families. These pictures along with first hand account clearly shows that Jews were persecuted and kicked out by Ayatullahs.

There is no denying there are still Jews living in Iran. But the same holds for Nazi Germany. There were some Jews left in Germany even after their persecution by Hitler`s.

#108 by behram-islamist-baba

[Yes, it is the Iranian culture that you must never forget. And you must never forget who you are as a people, regardless of the rulers of Iran. ]

Yes. How can you forget Iranian culture, eh? Iran gave the following great things to the world:

1) Cuisine: Boiled rice and burnt tomatoes as persian cuisine.

2) Music: Ghazals for romancing little boys in order to bugger them later.

3) Science and Technology: Um... er... nothing....

4) Religion: Ayatollahs....

#109 by taikonaut on December 3, 2006 12:38pm PT

yes..India was socialist for 50+ years..but 15 years of somewhat freemarket system and India already has more major companies and billionaires than you can shake a paki stick at...what does the land of the pure have? not one major company like infosys or reliance and not one billionaire...all you have are the mega-agriculturists growing whatever you`re smoking...

taikanout bro: I am glad you admired the math I put together. Thanks.

PS: As you will notice from the above, I am a simple-minded fellow and sarcasm is therefore lost on me. :-)

but seriously - aside from your sarcasm and anger at poor lil general Zia being held responsible for mullahism in pakistan (imagine!!), I dont see you saying anything much of substance. If you do, please state succinctly. Thank you in advance for your consideration.

behram: I think you make an important point about parsis setting an example of basically not getting into religious politics. This is certainly very true.

While I have a lot of sympathy for ahmedis and shias who have been hounded by the mullah scum - the fact is that both groups were quite aggressive in trying to spread their belief and/or influence, and so ran head-on to the sunni mullahs trying to do the same thing.

#117 by tahmed32 on December 3, 2006 1:50pm PT

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behram: I think you make an important point about parsis setting an example of basically not getting into religious politics. This is certainly very true.

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Aahhmm! T sahib, it was me suggesting that other minorities should follow Parsi example. Nobody bothers you, and you contributes to your society.

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While I have a lot of sympathy for ahmedis and shias who have been hounded by the mullah scum - the fact is that both groups were quite aggressive in trying to spread their belief and/or influence,

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Yeap! anyone supporting ayatullahs today should remember this. Sunnis in Iran will be crushed the next day if they ever start ``Tehrike- Nifaze- Fiqah - Wahabia`` (mirror image of Tehrike Nifaze fiqah Jafria``)

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#116 by tahmed32 on December 3, 2006 1:45pm PT
taikanout bro: I am glad you admired the math I put together. Thanks.

PS: As you will notice from the above, I am a simple-minded fellow and sarcasm is therefore lost on me. :-)

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T sahib, no sarchasm. You definitely left out Ayatullahs out of that equation. Other than than your model was pretty good representation.

#108 by behram1 on December 3, 2006 12:38pm PT

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Yes, it is the Iranian culture that you must never forget. And you must never forget who you are as a people, regardless of the rulers of Iran.

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And Iranians should never forget the Greek culture either. Alexander the Great pummeled Iranians to a fine paste.

It was only the modern day Pakistan areas where Alexander met his match. Yes it was the Punjabi Pothohari King who made sure Alexander stops his world domination campaign right there at the banks of river Hydaspes (river Jehlum).

FYI, Pothohar and River Jehlum is the area from where most of Pakistani army comes from. So now you know Pakistanis are warriors from the time when Iranians have been crushed to pulp.

Re: # 119 by taikonaut on December 3, 2006 4:03pm PT
#108 by behram1 on December 3, 2006 12:38pm PT

[And Iranians should never forget the Greek culture either. Alexander the Great pummeled Iranians to a fine paste. ]

Again, you are wrong. Persians taught Greeks a big lesson on how to burn their cities. It was Persian Artaxerxes, who first burnt the city of Athens. And then, Alexander came and defeated the Persians. But, after the victory Alexander married the defeated King Darius`s sister. The question is not about being defeated, but what do you do after the defeat. Whomsoever defeats the Persian people normally accepts their culture and social values.

Persian Zoroastrians were badly defeated by the muslim Arabs, yet today you will find those same Arabs considering the Persians as people who have demonic values. Of course, the wahabi Arabs such definition is all to common.

[FYI, Pothohar and River Jehlum is the area from where most of Pakistani army comes from. So now you know Pakistanis are warriors from the time when Iranians have been crushed to pulp. ]

And of course there is no disagreement between Pakistan and Iran. There is absolutely no military forces near the Iranian border and Iran does not consider Pakistan as its enemy.

So your anti-Iran hyperventilating rhetoric is totally unwarranted.

Unless, of course if you are a Hindoo from the Dravidian race, (those who reside in the south of modern day Hindoo Land) whose @ss was kicked by the invading Aryans.

Re: # 113 by taikonaut on December 3, 2006 1:11pm PT

You are bogus and erroneous on a major count. If your intent is to defame Iran based on religious discrimination then you could have identified the Bahais. Since, you did not; it just shows that you are some Wahhabi implant in these discussions. You should also be knowing that sunnism is far from Wahhabi`s, at least most of my muslim friends tell me so. Hiding inside the cloak of sunnism does not bode well for the modern day wallabies of Islamic Brotherhood. Only wahabis would make a show and tell about how pious their belief system is. Most of my Pakistani sunni friends have nothing to do with these sorts of gamesmanship.

Only Islamic Brotherhood people would tell my muslim friend who greeted him with an Assam-alaikum in a bathroom that it is ``impure (najes) `` to wish salaam to a muslim in a rest room.

When I heard such a ridiculous comment, I asked my muslim friend to ask that idiot from Islamic Brotherhood where does he conduct his wazoo before prayers. Is that lavatory not inside some rest room?

Re: # 114 by krishna_abcd on December 3, 2006 1:37pm PT

Lord Krishna:

If you insist to be acknowledged with your presence in these discussions about the Persians, you could just remember that the Persian blood line is in those Hindoo Brahmins as well, who revolve around fire several times to get some stupid hindoo women married, who will more likely be burnt for non-payment of expected dowry, once this Hindoo meritocrat enjoys the first few nights of brand new sexual escapades with an unsuspecting Hindoo virgin, huh!

At 77 minutes per hindoo women being burnt in Hindoo Land, or tomatoes being burnt in Iranian cuisine, do you have any idea which one would the civilized world prefer?

#121 by behram1 on December 3, 2006 7:17pm PT

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If your intent is to defame Iran based on religious discrimination then you could have identified the Bahais.

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hahah! defame Iran? moi?

Look! Ayatullahs and their little pipsqueak midget is doing mighty good job in this department of defaming Iran. A minor discussion in chowk.com can never do in 100 years what bay-nijat can do in 30 seconds. So rest easy my chowki associate! Rest easy!

BTW thanks for adding Bahais to the list of minorities persecuted by Ayatullahtic regime. That simply proves my point, that Iranian leadership are simply nutcases to the core. As long as the current regime is ruling Iran, we can never be their friends.

And yes we need to nip the Wahabi evil with full force. The last thing we need to see is these evil people harassing minorities in Pakistan.

#122 by behram-fundoo-baba

[If you insist to be acknowledged with your presence in these discussions about the Persians, you could just remember that the Persian blood line is in those Hindoo Brahmins as well, who revolve around fire several times to get some stupid hindoo women married]

Don`t try to associate us Brahmins with the Persians. They may have been influenced by us, but that`s where it ends. Check out the achievements of Brahmins through the millenia. Now check out the achievements by Persians. Not even close.

Check out this list of ancient mathematicians. See how many ancient Brahmins there are and how many ancient Persians: http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/mathhist/chronology.html

There would be MANY MORE Brahmins on the list, but the Islamic messengers of peace burnt down ancient libraries wherever they could find it.


[...who will more likely be burnt for non-payment of expected dowry, once this Hindoo meritocrat enjoys the first few nights of brand new sexual escapades with an unsuspecting Hindoo virgin, huh! ]

So this is better, eh?





We hindoos have something to learn from you islamists, isn`t it?

Eh?

taikanout #118 So we agree on everything it seems. Damn!! How the hell can one carry on a chowk ``discussion`` by agreeing on everything. :-)

Let me ask you though - you seem very concerned about persian mullah threat to pakistan. i dont share that concern though. historically we have gotten along fine - no border disputes, no ideological issues, no ancient grievances. and indeed warm feelings between the two nations, and historically there has been great appreciation for the persian language (although sadly dying off) and literature and art in Pakistan. i dont think the mullahs, even if they wanted, would find it easy to change these historically warm relations between the two countries.

The above is my ranting basically. you and behram can correct me or add to this if you please.

#124 how about a few pictures of burnt bodies (sikhs in delhi, muslims in gujerat, missionary children somewhere else, not to mention the thousands of brides burnt by grooms as a form of income generation) from india??

``Unless, of course if you are a Hindoo from the Dravidian race, (those who reside in the south of modern day Hindoo Land) whose @ss was kicked by the invading Aryans.``

HAHAHAHA!!

What if one is a Hindu like me? A Hindu from the Village of Bhaun in the District of Chakwal in the Potohar area of Punjab? Can I then hyperventilate against Iran? Its interesting that though u claim to be a Pakistani, you turn around and accuse a Pakistani of being a Dravidian Indian, the moment he says something against Iran? Same goes for Salim Chauhan, because he is Shia, he is okay with accepting critism of Pak but not Iran?

I disagree with Taikonaut about a 100 things but at least the guy is Pakistani first. That seems to be a rare quality amongst you lot; it`s always Muslim first or Shia forst..how many of you love the soil from which you come from..Ask us who think of that soil even when we are generations removed...

Stuka: but...you are an honorary Pakistani, remember. :-)

but seriously, do you have any grievances about iran?? the grievance court is now in session.