Stagnating Pakistan-Iran Relations

#136 by taikonaut

Love your home,
love the street where your home is,
love the city where your street is,
love the state where your city is,
love the country where your state is.

Let me finish your jingoistically `simple` poem:

But hate your neighbours and love the Goras.

Now it makes complete sense.

Re: # 141 by taikonaut on December 4, 2006 4:49am PT

You have been a complete failure in activating any response against Iran, and it shows in most of these posts. The wahhabi element is quite obvious in your views. So just shoo away.

[the danger is always there. However Iran won`t touch Baloch issue for a while now. Iranians are executing, hanging, and torturing Balochis at a much higher level.]

Only if you can quantify what higher level you mean. Even during the Shah`s time elements in Baluchistan were not treated well, but my Baluch friends still would consider Iranians a whole lot better than the paindoos in Islamabad. Would you care to understand why?

behram: i have heard baluch call for an independent baluchistan, but never heard any of them call for joining iran. have you?

#145 zeemax: lets see what makes complete sense to you by adding that last line you recommend:

Love your home,
love the street where your home is,
love the city where your street is,
love the state where your city is,
love the country where your state is
But hate your neighbours and love the Goras.

The last sentence makes the poem self-contradictory and absurd and would make sense only to someone who is totally confused. I hope for your sake that you are just trying to be humorous.

#148 by tahmed32

I agree it is absurd, but isn`t this what taikonaut is saying?

#149 I dont think so. here is an example of what taikonaut is saying.

suppose I live in bhaati gate lahore. first step would be to earn a living to make sure i have a home, then take time off to take care of the home and family members. then take some time off to clean up the neighborhood a bit. maybe help out an elderly or sick neighbor by buying groceries for them. if there is still time, then maybe volunteer time for some organization like red cross or as volunteer teacher for poor children. and so on.

how many people in bhaati gate (or in any other place in pakistan where they seem to think they know what is right and wrong around the world) do this?

Pakistan has Indus river waters, nukes and a slightly more rational leadership than Iran.

The nukes and leadership thing could change in the future. Other than Iran has more things going for it - huge hydrocarbon reserves, even more strategic location, more educated populace, better identity, fairer skin etc.

Iran main interest is in dominating the Persian Gulf. Shite populations in Iraq, Kuwait, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia is a nice lever to achieve it. USA is the main force that can stop them.

Iran has huge amounts of oil and natural gas. At the current time Pakistan not have $$$ to buy from Iran. It prevents a mutually benefical trading relationship.

Re: # 147 by tahmed32 on December 4, 2006 10:16am PT

Dear Tahmed Sahib:

No, Pakistani Baluchis would not care to join Iran as such. As you know, in the early 1970`s there was a huge element among the Baluch nationalists to side with the Soviets.

Respectfully submitted,

#150 by tahmed32

Good attempt at the analogy. However try the following:

Suppose I live in Bhati gate Lahore. I earn a living, have a shelter if not a big house, I do the best I can to take care of the home and family members, and also take some time off to help clean up the neighborhood (Mochi Gate/Lohari Gate) a bit. But Mochi/Lohari are on fire by some arsonists which is spreading in my direction and I`m busy chatting with my friends in Gulberg about how a Liberty Market can be established in Bhati as well.

Howzzat?

zeemax: lets see which analogy fits better with reality:

How many residents of mochi/lohari gate volunteer to clean the streets? as for this setting of fire by arsonists: do you seriously think that the US is the cause of Pakistan`s problems?

Do you think that they lack of cleanliness in public areas regardless of whether it is gulberg/liberty market or mochi/lohari gate is the responsibility of the US? Is the US responsible for the rude and insulting behavior towards domestic servants by the newly rich and even some not-so-newly rich, bonded labor, enslaved peasants in the sindh, the widespread abuse of Islam for personal gain by maulvis, pirs, and this new fashion of dars, the adding of injury to injury of poor women who have been raped and then put behind bars for admitting to being raped, the widespread poverty where young children with twisted feet spend their days in the burning sun hoping to earn enough to keep body and soul together, the lack of respect for rules and regulations and standardsby public servants from generals down to ministry staff, the lack of enforcement of regulations that cause roads to flood or even erode at the first monsoon rain???

Kindly review your model in light of the above realities, and see if you think it still makes sense.

#154 by tahmed32

tahmed, by Mochi/Lohari I meant Afghanistan/Iran ... and of-course you know what is meant by Gulberg i.e. a world apart USA. I think you missed something here ...

#155 thanks for the clarification. the clarification also indicates why you need to give some thought to taikanauts poem: I am thinking of the real mochi/lahori gate, the real gulberg and the real issues for pakistanis living there. Your mind is on afghanistan/iran and USA. That is precisely the problem: too many pakistanis get emotional about supposed miseries arabs and afghanis and iranis, when their fellow pakistanis are living in equal, and indeed in far greater, misery. that is why taikanaouts poem is so important for every pakistani - we need to face the real issues that start with our own homes and neigborhoods.

PS: the popular bestseller ``7 habits of highly effective people`` conveys pretty much the same message plus more useful advice. that book stems from the US culture, and like I said, it is this way of thinking that has made the US a world leader that has inspired other nations and attracts the best and the brightest from around the world.

Re: # 134

Behramji,

I do not understand 1 thing so far we were being told (In Indian history as taught in schools by the commies albeit and a Parsi commie was foremost in that Shri RK Karanjia editor of Blitz) that Aryans from Iran who became Hindus pushed the Dravidians into a disadvantageous position in India and so North and Western Indians (i.e. Guj, Goa and Maharashtra) had no right to say that they gave refuge to the Parsis when in fact they were from the same stock and the Parsis had more moral claim to be Indians than these ancient invaders as they had not invaded another country (merely come there as refugees to sweeten the full cup of milk). That the ancient Aryan invaders from Iran were Hindus and had imposed Hinduism on Dravidians and by rejecting Hindi as the national language the Dravidians were reacting against North and Western Indian Hindu Imperialism.

What is the truth please enlighten? Also please for my general knowledge please let me know what was the language of ancient Iran or Persia.

Regards
Sanatani

Re:sanatani#157 to Behram the Austin waley Bawaji

[..that Aryans from Iran who became Hindus pushed the Dravidians into a disadvantageous position in India....]

Yikes, so the Bawaji from Austin shares the same ancestry as the railway track squatting, cheating class hindus? But how is that possible? Hindus do not use affirmative action to succeed in the US, but bawaji does that all the time to earn his rozi-roti.

So Bawaji must have had a mutation in his genes somewhere along the way that destroyed his capability to compete on merit. Maybe one of his great-great grandmas slept with some of those semitic arab invaders behind his aryan great-great grandpa`s back. Poor guy. Thats why he gets so crazy at us Aryan hindus. Must be his ``inner`` semitic genes that drive him nuts.

[Re: # 157 by ranjit on December 6, 2006 7:07am PT
Re:sanatani#157 to Behram the Austin waley Bawaji

#157 by sanatani on December 6, 2006 4:30am PT
Re: # 134 ]

Now we have two types of Hindoo method of triangulation.

One is that Dravidian Hindoo bharwa who has no use of worthy enlightenment. His squatting ugly looking Dravidian hindoo would always want to get acknowledged.

And that Gandoo Hindoo Bharwa goes by the nic name of Ranjit.

For people like him the slogan still remains valid:

Harimau kay gaand main gus jao

[Yikes, so the Bawaji from Austin]

Abbaiy o! choutia, gaand ka lota Ranjit, I never consider myself bawaji, and I am the purest of the pure Zoroastrian and will kick your ugly @ss any day, as I have doing it all along on this Chowk. You can go and Gaand marao with your other ugly Hindoo bogus rail road squatting garbage eating hindoos from Hindoo Land.

[Hindus do not use affirmative action to succeed in the US, ] Yeah rite! These days your Hindoo land government officials are making headline news of how criminal minded the Hindoo of Hindoo Lands are.

[So Bawaji must have had a mutation in his genes somewhere along the way that destroyed his capability to compete on merit.] You Hindoo bharwa, when are you going to stop killing innocent Hindoo women in Hindoo Land just because your autistic myopic hindoo meriticrat was not able to get his expected dowry?

[Maybe one of his great-great grandmas slept with some of those semitic arab invaders behind his aryan great-great grandpa`s back. Poor guy. That is why he gets so crazy at us Aryan hindus. Must be his ``inner`` Semitic genes that drive him nuts.]

Choutia ghaandoo, my great-great-great-great-great grandmas were producing progeny to come and educate your dravidian kaalaa hindoos and gave you guys some religiosity. Your genes is so screwed up that all you guys could do is to produce some more bharwas like yourself to squat on those rail road tracks.

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#157 by sanatani on December 6, 2006 4:30am PT
[Re: # 134

Behramji, ]

Thank you for being respectful.

[...the Parsis had more moral claim to be Indians than these ancient invaders as they had not invaded another country (merely come there as refugees to sweeten the full cup of milk).]

Those choutia Parsees of India still consider themselves of the genes of ``The Kiyani``. Their whole history has become bogus due to their Living Under Hindoo Influence (LUHI).

LUHI creatures are similar to the Hindoo creatures of Hindoo Land.


[That the ancient Aryan invaders from Iran were Hindus]

What sort of reverse history were you taught? Hindoos have never been able to flow up through Hindoo Kush mountains to the plains of the Caucus mountains. Also, remember shit always flows downhill, and that is where Hindoos always reside to collect the rejected Aryans, to the fold of Hindooism, and they started calling themselves as Brahmins.

[....the Dravidians were reacting against North and Western Indian Hindu Imperialism. ]

Dravidians were just kaala like koila, and had no values to enlighten the invading Aryans.

[What is the truth please enlighten? Also please for my general knowledge please let me know what was the language of ancient Iran or Persia. ]

The language of old Persian was Avesta, which was considered as a sister language to Sanskrit. All Zoroastrians holy words were spoken in Avesta. I consider that as the language of nobility, whereas the Sanskrit was the language of those who were the rejects of the Zoroastrian nobility.

Kinda like Urdu is these days are the language of nobility, and Hindi is the language of the rejects of Hindoo Land.

Respectfully submitted,

Re: # 159

we need queen_cut&paste to give our resident snake the runs for his money....wtf is QCP?