Bio-Science at the Crossroads

Re: # 25


Mian hamidm,

Masadi don`t need no help. He has been peddling ``leggy blondes`` on the Imran Khan board.

Regards.

things are looking up for the believers

maulana masadi,

......... now you can stop praying, your wishes have come true !

Kuwait court jails two women for raping man

KUWAIT CITY: A Kuwaiti court has sentenced two women to seven years in jail each for kidnapping a man and forcing him to have sex with them, a local daily reported on Sunday. The two women were convicted of raping the man by forcing him to have sex against his will, Al-Rai newspaper said, without providing their names or that of their victim. They were also found guilty of beating the man, who filed a medical report to the court. The daily said that a lower court had initially sentenced the two women to 15 years in jail each, but the appeals court on Saturday reduced the sentence to seven years. The two women denied the charges. afp

.......... sorry gill sahib, i just had to post this good news somewhere !

Re: # 11

Don`t you think there should be more variety when it comes to beautiful women?

Also, uncontrolled cloning would lead to a very boring world where everyone would agree with each other. That means no more chowk!

Thought provoking article Mr. Gill. I have always been interested in genetic science/engineering. It`s a fascinating area of research even though it is fraught with controversies.

I don`t think that by simply banning the research on human cloning we would be able to maintain the sanctity of human life for long. Sooner or later we would hear of some genetic scientist and his team of doctors who have been doing the forbidden research in some secret underground russian laboratory, and that would herald a new beginning in human cloning research. A new generation of rogue genetics experts would spawn across the world, and they would somehow manage to do their own research and try to create human beings. That`s just one of the many possible ill outcomes!

There is no limit to man`s knowledge, and he will learn what he wants to learn. By putting a ban on cloning has only increased his curiosity, and he would continually strive to learn more and more about it. If it weren`t for the moral constraints being placed by various religions, man would have had crossed all boundaries and created thousands of clones already. It seems that religion isn`t that bad afterall, and it does help when the small bugs in man`s enlightened nature make things get a bit out of hand.

Re: # 21

mullah masadi.

...... do you mind translating gabriel`s gibberish into a english ? .......... when it comes to the stock market i am a superstitious man and will take advice from any quarter - even if the source is as dubious as some bedouin deity named al-lah ...........

The Quran holds authority for Muslims, the post was addressed to those among them who are uncertain regarding the subject, and it was also addressed to the mockers who think that the Quran is incapable of handling such ``modern`` topics. A-holes like you though will never learn, it burns you that scientists in this case, in their ethics agree wholehartedly with the Quran.

Regarding the stock market, here is your quote from the Quran (5:90)

mullah masadi,

.... can you please consult the koran and tell me what the stock market is going to do next week ............. and while you are at it, why don`t you find out what date eid is going to fall on this year and also, if you don`t mind, the exact location of the g-spot .............

... thanks for your help ........

Regardless of the illiteracy of the bigots among the so-called freethinkers (no different to the Mullahs in my view), #18 is a prime example, the Qur`an differentiates between the human being and the embryo, describing what emerges at the end of the 8th week, i.e. after formation of bones and muscles as a ``different`` or a new creation (see 23:14). Therefore there is nothing wrong in ``manufacturing`` (the scientists are not creating anything just putting together components) embryos for research or in abortion before the 8th week, Islamically speaking, and my authority is the Quran`s words, even though the mullahs might disagree- what exists before the 8th week is not human.





I am perfectly capable of understanding simple language, so to the mullahs don`t try to argue simple statements to absurdity using all kinds of nonsense, I am in no mood for that kind of argumentation, and for bigots like hamid, shove dawkins where the light don`t shine.

Respectfully submitted,

Re: # 17

.... just started reading richard dawkins` ``the god delusion ``and came across this quote: When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called Religion`` ..............

The world is nt all senseless! Some good news!!



http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1978045,00.html

NTsyed sahib,

You are right. Even if God was to be left out of the picture, cloning would still leave behind a lot of scientific, legal and ethical issues. And for that reason it should be properly debated rather than brushed under the carpet saying that it is ant-God. Becuase ultimately at the end of the day, cloning is technically and economically a viable proposition it will happen irrespective of what God may have to say. God may not like nukes either but they are there.

Regards

PS: Merry X-mas, Happy New Year and Eid Mubarak in advance

Re: # 14 by majumdar

I stand corrected. I thought you were equating cloning to the mythological epics.

Unlike Test Tube babies, etc., Cloning does give birth to some very tricky questions though, and not necessarily pertinent to religion(s).

If I`m to have myself cloned, legally,

- will that being be considered my son or my brother?
- if he becomes my son, then what rights does he have on my parents, siblings, wife, and children, and vice versa?
- if he becomes my brother, who should be named as the father - me or my father?

...and so forth.

So, it`s not just the religious experts pulling their hairs out to address all the pertinent issues, I think secular legal experts, especially the ones dealing with human rights, will have a nightmare on their hands too.

I don`t think the policy wonks are keen on adding to their troubles at this point.

:-)~~

Kamath sahib,

(Soon contents of your post will be forgotten and some readers will throw this into hurling mud , religion and politics match at each other and insult each other with unpalatable names. Mualim Vs Non-Muslims, Zionism and so on!!! )

And if my two fave chowkies- YLH and HYD make their appearance you can add MAJ-MKG to the list.

NTsyed sahib,

(Please note the boldened word `mythology`; meaning the concept without ``scientific`` basis; pertaining to unseen and/or unknown. This is far away from ``cloning``. The process above needs scientific verification and validation)

I think you have misunderstood my point. I am not suggesting that the ancient Hanuds had perfected a way of cloning or that Hanud epics depict reality, it is just that at least one religious systems of the world (Hinduism) did not consider cloning as being an act of rebellion against God.

Regards

Re: # 9
Watch the Fun Mohammad Gill!

Wait for few days. Soon contents of your post will be forgotten and some readers will throw this into hurling mud , religion and politics match at each other and insult each other with unpalatable names. Mualim Vs Non-Muslims, Zionism and so on!!!

That is how the intellectual exchanges will take place in Chowk !!

Kamath

#6 ntsyed, majumdar can speak for himself - but i don`t think he`s claiming hindus invented cloning, rather it`s not an anathema to them.

Good Artikool Mister Mohammad Gills(as in Anglo lastname), since pure Momin like you cannot have a Sikh lastname.


Anyways, I think that cloning should be allowed for following reasons.

1) Rich people can clone themselves and keep them frozen and when we need spare parts then we can cut/paste as we like.

2) We need to clone good looking woman and save them in freezers and this way they will be immortalize.

thank you for not listening.......