Swearing-in Ceremony with Hand on the Bible?

Re: # 673

:)
Ha! i just tried to make my day.

Razia ji,

(you haven`t responded well to it. )

Well, what exactly do you mean by that- that I haven`t given enough responses or that I have not accepted your POV.

(Have they been answered well )

Yes. Thanks.

Regards

Re: # 671

I have answered all your questions all the way with the help of others and you haven`t responded well to it.

Have they been answered well --I guess I triggered your interacts and should be asking the above question.


Happy Dewali, whenever it arrives!
RB

Razia ji,

Happy Eid in advance. God bless u.

Regards

Re: # 37

``End result – Pakistanis (for all practical purposes read Muslims) SCREWED!``

How can you say that? Of all the world it is the Pakis only who cannot call themselves Muslims as of right without submitting an affidavit to that effect each time they claim to be so `with no end result`, but only a feeling of degradation and insult as human beings.

Re: # 29

taikonaut

Good analysis indeed. But how would explain removal of the liberal regime of Saddam in this cotext? Their madness seems to be without any method or scheme.

Yes but humans, especially on chowk, have sometimes turned out to be wrong mediators of knowledge :)

Anyhow, I`m hoping to turn up with questions but I already have Hindu/Sikh live friends who could communicate on any issues right on spot --I hope and wish to have time to put brains in their literature once I`m finished with mine : )


Take care,
RB

You could wish me for Eid too which`s coming up on 1st ;)

Razia ji,

Merry X-mas to you too. And incidentally, Happy B`day MAJ (pbuh)- in advance.

Why bother reading whole books if someone who knows can answer ur questions. And feel free to ask me any questions, if it is possible for me to answer them, I will try my best.

Regards

Merry Xmas!

RB

... LOL all you want ... but blatant hypocrisy of ummah should shock any sane person.

Collectively they seem to have lost the sense of right and wrong. They seem unable to distinguish between what is just and what is blatantly unfair. This thought process has resulted in a culture that implicitly, and at times openly encourages suicide-bombings, sectarian violence, hatred for those with differing beliefs, etc.

This is a sad state of affairs for followers of the Finest Book and the Finest Prophet (pbuh). And this has little to do with Ahmadi-Muslims and their persecution. This culture of violence hurts the ummah itself the most. Its innocent men, women, and children pay dearly as their communities stay trapped in vicious cycles of ideological haterd.

Let`s not blame the west, or the Jews, or anyone else. Ummah would do better by trying to strive for peace in their communities. They would certainly find peace if they followed teachings of Quran and sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh), and not remain obsessed with killing apostates, adulterers, blasphemers, etc.

Like I said ... LOL all you want. The joke is on the ummah. And if weren`t for the misery of the innocent ones, it would indeed be quite funny ...

Over and out!
Enjoy the holidays ...

Re: # 663

LOL! Then let God deal with this irony :)


Zoom Zoom
RB

… what logic is that?

- To try an apostate through due process and then execute him for leaving Islam?
- That a Muslim should openly declare his conversion, but if an apostate does so, he should be killed? Is this what you call logic?
- That a Muslim should preach to others, but non-Muslims should be punished for preaching to Muslims?

Is this Islam? Or is this tyranny in the name of Islam? Let’s call a spade a spade.

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Look, on one hand you think apostasy has no worldly punishment, but then you agree with ntsyed and Urstruly who want to execute them.

Then you go on to equate apostasy with sedition. Where are you getting all this? What`s next? Adultery equal to sedition?? You can’t make up your own mind … never mind about my sports car!!!

The ummah is going to the dogs, and its silly nilly followers have their heads buried in the sand, discussing punishment for apostasy and when Issa-ibne-Marriam will descend from the skies.

Logic? This is sheer nonsense. Ummah’s beliefs are their business, granted. But they have no right to mistreat others while preaching senseless violence. If you can’t see this point, maybe you too need to get your head examined. Sports car is always a nice option though ... if you can ever see straight and tell day from night ...

Re: # 660 by sattar

Ntsyed is ``Over and out from this board``!

Sattar2, you have simply refused to understand anyone`s logic; set aside mine. When refusal happens then there`s no use of arguments. urstruly`s out, ntsyed sahib`s sick of this, and now what will you do here? I guess the only option is to spin your red-car wheels.

:D
RB

Re: # 656 by majumdar

while respecting your belief,

``Should it permit a Muslim citizen to repudiate his belief in Islam provided he does not indulge in any criminal activity or pass derogatory remarks about Islam/Prophet/Koran while doing so.``

It should allow all that provided [s/he does not indulge in any criminal activity or pass derogatory remarks about Islam/Prophet/Koran while doing so]

Country with Muslim majority population should be run on principles of an Islamic state unless otherwise elected.

By the way, you`ve asked questions all the way. Is this your R&D?! If yes, I don`t know if you are opening the right books. :)

RB

... in other words, ntsyed chanda jee, you are putting lipstick on a pig and trying to enroll it in miss usa pageant ...

There are waaaaay too many skeletons in your ullema`s closet ... so you can shut up and stop telling me what your ``respected`` ullema believe. They are a bunch of uncouth, illiterate, fanatics ... and only an idiot would fall for their tricks ...

ntsyed,

[majumdar, this addresses some of the issues you are raising …]

… furthermore, here are some thoughts on your ullema and what they preach.

History of Islam is rife with “fatwas of kuffr” (edits of disbelief) between ullema of various sects. Each sect of Islam has been declared heretic, kaffir, by other sects at one time or another. There are shia, sunnis … and then there are deobandis, wahabis, bralvis … and what not … each declaring others as non-Muslim.

Furthermore, these ullema continue to incite violence against other sects. I recall shia-sunni violence which would shut down parts of Karachi each Mohorram. We see inter-sectarian violence in Iraq nowadays between Muslim groups. History of Islam is replete with inter-sectarian violence, with ullema sowing seeds of hatred and fanaticism …

But you (and Urstruly) keep citing verdicts of these ullema to validate your views!

These ullema also tell us to believe in a prophet residing above clouds, in flesh and blood, for two thousand years now (and counting!!). This is one of their many beliefs that makes no sense at all.

Every time I bring up this Iss-in-the-sky issue, Urstruly gets defensive and withdraws. When I cited Maudoodi’s support for this belief, Urstruly quickly pointed out that he does not agree with Maudoodi on everything. What? Urstruly is disagreeing with centuries-old Islamic teachings here!?

But there’s more:

Take Naqshbandi for example … another low-IQ Muslim, with scores of scholars to back up his views. He believes that a moratorium should be applied on punishment for adulterers. That is, it was OK to kill adulterers since this is the practice of Prophet of Islam (pbuh), but there is no need for this practice nowadays.

[And if you read Quran (that Book you run away from), it has been specifying lashes for adultery all along!! Could it be more clear??]

Furthermore, Naqsh Sahib has a few choice words for Maudoodi, your hero of Islam. Do ask him if you ever get a chance … and try not to get agitated by his response.

On the other hand Urstruly thinks Naqshbandi’s brand of Sufi-Islam is based on innovation and has no place in Islam. Naqshbandi and his ullema think otherwise and curse Urstruly’s ullema. Need I say more?

Hopefully this adequately highlights absurdity of ullema’s views, their own turmoil, and inter-sectarian hatred and violence between their ranks.

So you should stop telling us what your bona fide ullema believe. It is utter rubbish … and has nothing to do with Islam or common sense.