Swearing-in Ceremony with Hand on the Bible?

sattar

So basically you cannot prove your case that unless it is written specifically in Quran it is not Islam.

Frankly, in addition to that, there are some aspects in Quadianism which any fair minded balanced human being would find troublesome, It is the usual Quadiani discourse, which runs through your alleged Prophet to Khalifas and to the very lower echelon of Quadinism, which I find quite absurd; look at these examples:

1. Every non-Quadiani scholar of Islam is basically corrupt, idiot and have nefarious objectives and basically wants to destroy Islam.

2. Every scholar of Islam for 14 centuries until Mirza sahib came along was following a false religion, and he was misguided and only mirza sahib was able to understand Islam completely.

3. All of the five schools of jurisprudence are clueless and wrong and they have been interpretting Islamic injunctions basically to distort it.

4. All accounts of ahadith are invalid because they were created by corrupt Muslims for political gains. And only those ahadith are valid which (can be distorted to ) support Quadiani point of view.

5. All Arabs are idiots who did not know their own language very well and the meaning of the phrase ``Khatam un Nabiyeen`` for 1500 years until a punjabi from Quadian told them so.

6. Practically, I fail to see how Mullahs can gain any political benefit from sticking to the ``Last Prophet`` value in Islam. As a matter of fact wouldn`t it be more beneficial for them that every other one of them would start claiming that he is some sort of non-law bearing prophet and he gets his revelations under his pillow every morning??.

7. Your claim that what Muslims have been practicing for past 1500 years and, which is very well documented by both Muslims themselves and others, is totally wrong and only what Mirza tells is right.

Throughout our debates for the past several years, I`ve found out that these are very seven pillars on which Quadiyaniat has established itself. I find it quite troubling. Because it defies all common sense and frankly I think in your heart you find it quite troublesome too. You should note your own behavior how in ultimate frustration you start discrediting other people`s beleif by mocking it. This is a sure sign that your own belief system has no moral legs to stand on. Have you ever asked this question why your religion can only be validate itself until Islam is discredited. Why can`t your religion stand on its own merit. Why do you need approval of Muslims that your religion is a valid religion.

Compare this to Islam, which calls itself the continuation of religion of Abraham (pbuh) which passed through several phases of Judaism and Christianity and then in its final version appeared as Islam. Qura`n very specifically tells Jews and Christians (in 3rd chapter) that Islamic belief is nothing but the belief of Abraham, which the all three have faith in its entirety; so at the core there is no difference between the three religions. Islam further elaborates in the third chapter that some false beliefs have crept into Judaism and Chritianity over the time which makes them deviate from the faith of Abraham e.g the concept of Holy Trinity essentially makes Christianity a polytheistic religion which contrdicts the teachings of Abraham, who was thrown into the fire for his unfaltering belief in Monotheism. Similarly, the insistence of Jews upon the racial superiority over the others contrdicts the basic tennent of Islam of equality of all human beings before God. But if you look at the way Islm points out to these ``flaws`` in the two religions is basically by method of ``Dawwat`` that is an invitation to the truth. Islam does not validate itself by discrediting their beliefs but only offers an invitation. That is when Qura`n says ``Lakum deenakum waliya deen `` i.e. to you your religion (belief) and to us our belief. Hence Islam stands on its own merit viz a viz these two rligions and yet it emerges from the same Abrahamic belief upon which three agree.

Interstingly enough it was Judaism who had to erase all the refernces or even the very description of the personal appearance of the ``coming final Prophet`` from their books; and it was not Muslims who had to distort any verses in their books to prove that Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) was that Final Prophet whom they had been waiting for centuries. The only objection that Jews counld find againt the Holy Prophet (pbuh) was that he was not a Semite as they hoped for; while ignoring the edict in Torah that the Final prophet would be ``among their brethern`` and not ``among you``.

Similarly, it was not Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) who distorted Holy Bible to prove that it was he, the Final Prophet whom Christians have been waiting for centuries, but instead it was Christians themsleves who erased the Aramaic name of Prophet Mohammad i.e. Farqualeet (or Paraclete or Parakalytus in orthodx Greek) from their Holy Books, which literally is an equaivalent of word ``Ahmad`` in Arabic. Ahamd being one of the given names of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh). They did all that to protect their beliefs which they had themselves created, such as Trinity, Ressurection, God in jesus(pbuh)and `Jesus dying for sins of others`. Had their beliefs been true they had no reason to distort their own books.

Compare that to Quadianism, which can only validate itself when it violates Arabic lexicon and distort the eastablished meaning of the phrase ``Last Prophet` which has been so for the past 1400 centuries. Not only that the Quadiani belief of continuation of prophethood violates the Torah that promised the Last Prophet, the Injeel that also promised the Last prophet, but also the Quran` through which Mohammad (pbuh) claimed that he was the Final Prophet that humanity had been promised all along.

Please tell me if Quadianitat is a true religion then why can`t it stand on its own merit.

Subhash/Ranjit,

Even if you can`t confer the Bharat Ratna on HIM at least you can henceforth refer to him respectfully the way I do- MAJ (pbuh).

Regards