India, Pakistan and the Kashmir dispute

If in India 150 million Muslims can live -- so can 6 million Kashmiri Muslims -- plus no `Islami Hukoomat` in Indian Kashmir -- take it or leave it.

Re: # 404 nasah

``#404 by nasah on December 27, 2006 2:14pm PT
If in India 150 million Muslims can live -- so can 6 million Kashmiri Muslims -- plus no `Islami Hukoomat` in Indian Kashmir -- take it or leave it.``

And take it we will...with you in it.

Of course, we`ll make an exception for you to leave it if you promise to behave yourself

;-)~~

#395 dost mittar: just to complete what i was saying there, what is relevant is not the past but the future. and for the future, the relevant question is - what is best for the world that we will leave behind a few decades from now? and in that context, what is best is clearly a society based on some generally accepted principles - principles that have been as ably and concisely stated in the Preamble to the US Constitution as anywhere else: We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

We had a discussion on this on the Hoodbhoy board, btw. Such a forward looking approach that includes the ``Blessings of Liberty`` for the individual, as reconciled with the ``General Welfare`` makes far more sense, since there is no empty rhetoric of religion behind which unscruplous individuals disguise their self-serving goals.

Re: # 402 tahmed32

Hey tahmed,

What you say requires everyone to be absolutely honest and truthful.

Can you accept the mother of all truths, as per The Quran you claim to believe in, that you were created for nothing but to worship Allah?

Can your enlightened forward thinking not worry about your empty rhetorical secularist bhashans for a minute or so and muster an honest answer to that?

:-)~~

#396 by hamidm2 on December 27, 2006 7:57am PT

no jihadis no frisking...

if you pakis had the testicular fortitude to fight a straight war there would be no need for frisking and other counter-insurgency measures..

Funny how pakis condone the actions of the jihadis who can only attack because they hide among civilians and yet when the other side does the logical thing in such a situation, they are full of moral outrage..

Re: # 401 arjun2

funny....lol....

Bubba, many a times you`ve said you want Muslims to live in the present and future. Well, dear boy, THIS is the present mode of warfare - a few thousand jihadis keeping 700,000 well armed Hindian soldiers busy with covering each others behind...

Of course, the easier option for you is to reverse your condition: no frisking no jihadi. I`m all for that

:-)~~

Re: # 408

Yet at the same time the Indian economy has registered 7%+ growth since the time this ``endeavour``started. Its foreign exchange reserves went from < $1 billion to $175 billion plus. We kicked your collective asses down from Tiger Hill, Drass and Kargil. According to one of your ex prime ministers, we arranged a meeting between Allah and close to 3500 of your finest from the NLI. I am sure that was another glorious ``Victory`` along the lines of 1971.

This is the kind of ``victory`` I am willing to give to Pakis like you everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.

PS: I would keep the ``I am a direct decendant of Prophet Mohammed`` talk to myself for now. Lots pf predators in the sky. You don`t want the Pakistan Army taking you out a la Bajaur now do you? ;-)

Re: # 413 FoolAl

WOW! How come no one told me that? Look how embarrassed I am now.

BTW, you forgot to mention the exponential growth rate of AIDS, Prostitution, homelessness, disenfranchised lower castes, so on and so forth?

The Pakistani hypocrite PM and his cabal throws such numbers at the illiterate masses too. Keep the numbers in your pockets. The don`t mean much if the masses continue to slide deeper in destitution.

Kargil....that`s the difference b/w Hindu fundos and jihadis. That latter never gives up, even if his own stab him in the back. Rest assured, all that is going to be part of the Islamic state collectively.

``This is the kind of ``victory`` I am willing to give to Pakis like you everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.``

That`s right, that`s why one of your generals was quoted as saying `our men were dying like dogs`.....lol

``You don`t want the Pakistan Army taking you out a la Bajaur now do you?``

Death only frightens pig-tailed banya, not the jihadi.

:-)~~

Re: # 396

mohar mian,

you say: ``very few kashmiris have left kashmir``

but the report says: ``The conflicts have also led to displacement of Kashmiri Hindu or Pundits from Kashmir Valley. In addition to the displaced Hindus, a sizeable Muslim population has chosen to leave the Valley and the state to escape the consequences of the conflict. They are, however, not recognized by the State as displaced persons.``

........ if you don`t recognize them as displaced people does not mean that they are not displaced ..........

Re: # 400

OK - may be we should recognize them as internally displaced persons and provide relief in some ways... but that`s besides the point...

The fight in kashmir is a fight against islamists, above all else... if kashmir is lost, that means jihad has own... it`s a victory that you, of all people, will come regret the most - you as an american and as a secular paki - you will be their next target... Under no circumstances, islamists can be allowed win anything, anywhere...

So - we are actually doing you a favor by keeping kashmir bottled up, while you are shooting yourself in the foot by shedding crocodile tears about ``searching and frisking``...

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Good news is that - ethiopia [of all countries] has shown the way how to deal with islamists... poor, impoverished as it may be, ethiopians have kicked the islamist butts back to their bases and have restored a sense of balance there... where as the americans ran off like chicken after a few soldiers were killed - thus providing a much needed victory to islamists... rest, as they say, is history - bloody, violent history of rise of jihad from ashes of two burnt blackhawk choppers....

kashmir is another frontier on fight against evil of islamism... don`t, for a second, forget that... and thank hinuds for doing the good work ..... no matter how hard they tried, jihadis never won nothing, or controlled a single square inch of land in kashmir, in last 15 years of bloody jihad...

Thank hinuds again for doing the good work... and ethiopeans too... where the bigshot americans are turning tail and running away like losers, it`s people like us who are making a stand and fighting against jihadis... for us and for you...

Live, Learn, be grateful.... and stop being f****ing moron...

Re: # 403 mohar11

``...if kashmir is lost, that means jihad has own...``

You`re not paranoid for nothing. Please don`t take it the wrong way, I do appreciate your fear, which forced you use lowercase `if` in that statement. It demonstrates your agreement that now it`s not a matter of `if` but `when`.

:-)~~

effing typo:

Something wrong with ur psychology. U are a straight-faced pervert with blinkers piling one upon the other and u pile one banality upon other in ur ilogs simulteneosuly??

What a life!

#3dost mittar #384 urstruly and co. may argue that pakistan was formed on the basis of religion, just as ylh may point to the fact that Jinnah and co. were a secular lot and Maudoodi and co. opposed the creation of Pakistan. And both are right. and both are irrelevant. have to go now but will continue.

#389 by hamidm2 on December 27, 2006 7:29am PT

Re: # 391

arjun,

....... of course you don`t give a flip, but arn`t you ashamed of being an indian - just for a minute or two ......... c`mon, you can`t be that heartless - i like to think that there is a small kernel of decency in every human being

Re: # 392 by hamidm2

Oh don`t worry hamidm, arjun`s ilk has just enough heart as we`d like them to have:

# 387 arjun2

``Is this the part where I`m supposed to be all scared and quake in my boots at the inevitable prospect of a 100% ntsyed-certified islamic state of Pakiland taking over Indian Kashmir....?``

He may sound sarcastic, but the pinpoint accuracy of how he`s to behave is very telling.


arjun,

Yes! If you proved it to be part of your religion, then you will be allowed to smoke your life away.

:-)~~