India, Pakistan and the Kashmir dispute

Re: # 232

Satyamvada,

I agree with you that this time Indians are not backing off.
But what makes you think things would stand as they are now in future?
Arabs were knocking at the door for 70/80 years before they finally succeeded
in capturing Sindh. It has been only 60 years since Pakistanis are knocking hard
at Kashmir and I do think they are in a mood to give it up despite the aparent
costs.

`` Nothing would get done and everything would become a religious issue.``

Liaquat Ali Khan said to Mountbatten about the Constituent Assembly proceedings in 1947 - that the fact that it had recommended after debate that customs (tariffs) be part of external affairs proved that Hindus were determined to crush and subjugate Muslims economically.

I can`t imagine why Pakistanis think Indians would want to live with that sort of cr_p today. I can just imagine even the Prime Minister coming out of his house and turning west would be interpreted as determination to crush and subjugate Muslims geographically.

Hamidm2 #various,

Wow, the Paki-Muslim in you has defeated the libertarian-humanitarian-atheist in you.

One more falls to Islamitis-Ummahitis :)

This is what Chowk did to Tahmed, now to you and many others in between (Zeemax is one of the prominent ones, that comes to mind).

I think the Indo-Pak enmity is so visceral to all of us, that a few provocations here and there and all the hate/stereotypes/rivarly imbibed from childhood keep tumbling out. Some like Hamidm can withstand it for a long time, but ultimiately everyone falls. This applies to Indians also, however Indians have also moved on since the early 90s. If Kashmir and jihadi terrorism were not problems, I doubt if any Indians would care about Pakistan just like the don`t about Bangaldesh.

That being said, Kashmir is India`s and will remain so. If there has to be peace, Pakis should forget the ``unfinished business of Partion`` and get on with their lives. And contary to what many Pakis believe, there is not much constituency for Akhand Bharat in India. Imagine returning to the 60% Hindu 40% Muslim, pre-partition balance. Nothing would get done and everything would become a religious issue. So with due respect to my Muslim compatriots, I think most most Hindus are very happy with the current borders.

Satyavadi

Re: # 227

satyavadi,

.......... i have been consistent in my position on kashmir - just i i don`t believe in rolling over for the mullahs i do not believe in rolling over for the horrible hindoos as much as i love them ..........

hamidm:

Now, we are approximately on the same page.

In my estimation, Musharraf is a moderate muslim himself and does want to see Pakistan in his own image. At the same time, he is willing to sleep with the devil to stay in power. And I wont be surprised that, faced with a potential combined force of Nawaz-Benazir and a dissention in in the king`s party, he would go into their embrace once again. As an aside, I think that, unlike the Taleban or Al Qaeda, your Mulla parties are also harjai types and seem to be more interested in power than in pursuing their religious agenda.

As for Kashmir, I do support Musharraf`s compromise. I can fully understand Urstruly`s uncompromising attitude on this issue, I find it more difficult to understand how you can support Kashmiri separatists whose raison d`etre is unification with the Ummah. It must be that in-the-blood thing. :)

tahmed:
I am thinking of the chowkies who are dreaming of an `akhand bharat` and the only one that comes to mind is Salim-Chauhan who claims to be a Mohajir.

As regards Pakistani elite, my definition would include most of the English speaking Pakistanis.

Re: # 226

dost-mittar,

`` find it more difficult to understand how you can support Kashmiri separatists whose raison d`etre is unification with the Ummah`` ....

........ i wish the kashmiri struggle for freedom had not been hijacked by the `islamists` and i am quite ashamed of the fact that i find myself on the same side on this issue with wild-eyd jihadis like ursrtruly who make me sicker than old monk and coke .............. but that`s what happens when you refuse to deal with the `moderates` ......... the same thing is happening to israel in palestine - they refused to deal with yasser arafat and now they have to `deal` with hamas .......

.......... on a happier note, you and i and our chldren and grand children don`t have to worry about anything - the kashmir `problem` will be around for another hundred years or more .......

Re: # 236

The moderates and extremists would not settle for anything less, just the
means are different. It is the same blackmail, one is sugar coated, another is jahar coated.
They are basically same.

#221 hamidm2
But wasn`t the great thing about the coup that you, along with other chowk pak luminaries, were cheerleading that the dictator could cut thru crap and get things done? Isn`t that what he`s doing?
The problem with dictators is they don`t have to listen to you.

This ``unfinished business of partition`` must be like repressed memory syndrome. It could mean whatever one wants it to.

#219 madaniji
You should also be wary of indian music - it could be a device to soften you up before we unleash our trojan horses. Remember, just because you`re paranoid, it doesn`t mean we are not out to get you.

#210 hamidm2
Was that supposed to be witty? Christmas shopping must be weighing you down and you must be having one too many.

Re: # 220

soysauce,

.... no, it was not meant to be funny - it was meant to be cruel ........... frau sadna and a bad hangover bring out my my mean streak ............

hamidm2 #210
However times you or any other dishonest Pakistani like yourself calls me a believer in ``akhand bharat:, that will not make me one. I have an army standing between me and deluded Pakistanis like yourself, thank god.

#209 Hamidm, you uneducated, deluded paki you!! If there had been no partition, you would have gone to a world class Indian school rather than a deluded paki madrassah.

And in that fine Indian school, you would have been taught the Arjun Theory of Thermodynamics: Strike a hot air balloon enough times on a pin, and ultimately the pin will explode. ;-)

Speaking of delusions of pakis - here is one more: ``unfinished business of partition``... 60 years down the line - partition is still ``unfinished`` for pakis... they still haven`t accepted partition as it was, they still are lusting after land, resources... they are still ready to spill blood, continue the conflict...

And in the same breath - they turn around and accuse DM that he has NOT accepted partition... can you believe these losers.. :)

Pakis - partition was done in 1947, it`s over, finished, end of story... there is no unfinished business, no more land to get, no more kashmir to fall into your laps... You can`t even keep the land you have, with talibans making their kingdoms all over the place...

Re: # 208

mohar,

........... if you feel that stongly about it we will let you buy a vacation home in srinagar - this way you can have your own little piece of kashmir ............ bj will have to make do with a condo in florida (hopefully not next to mine)

#199 by tahmed32 on December 23, 2006 9:01am PT


in that spirit, i think you should realize that when you start talking vague generalities like ``pakistani elite`` your arguments lose substance since elite can mean many different things
weakens whatever argument you are making


Uh-oh...DM is about to lose his prophet tahmed(PBUHSRR) seal of approval....

bad DM...bad...