India, Pakistan and the Kashmir dispute

#13 by jay1 on December 18, 2006 7:24am PT

Gay ji or Jay ji it is inaneiable right of any group of people to be free .American anthem also sings of LAND of the FREE.

You must be joking to be able to ,with you limited vision ,predict what can or will happen when you do not have correct knowlege of why it happened......

Balkanisation of europe did not happen b/c of minority Bosnia but majority Christians who killed 2 millions in ww2 alone and divided europe in the past.Prediction is NOt somthing thePUNDITS are accurate about may be in selecting marriage dates which invariAble end in Bride burning .Yopur PREDICTIONS are all wacko and yes people have right to chose there govt.

Nothing will happen. In a decade, iftar parties in Pakistan will be replete with dancing macaca style bashes, eating food made in Ganeshpati Desi Ghee and drinking McDowell`s with Limca.

Nothing new or insightful in this piece.

yawn

instead of this crap on kashmir, why cant we have a real macaca song and dance on chowk?

Ref tolkinin #27

[.....Yopur PREDICTIONS are all wacko and yes people have right to chose there govt.]

Absoluely.

And it is the PEOPLE of Pakistan who have chosen Iskandar Mirza, Ayub Khan, Yahya Khan, Zia ul-Haq and most recently Pervez Musharraf.

When you Pakistanis have the right to choose your husband, then you can preach to others about te virtues of self-determination. Otherwise, you guys are shouting yourself hoarse for no reason whatsoever.

Ref Mullah32 #30

People are NOT interested in your family videos no matter how much pride you take in them.

Re:tahmed32#30

I can see a remarkable likeness to Behram in that pic.

What a day!! We get the nuke deal and we thrash South Africa in the first test match.

Three cheers for India!! Hip, hip, hooray.........

Pakistanio, kitni mirchi lagi? Come on guys, admit it. The mirchi is too much, right?

#34 by ranjit on December 18, 2006 5:15pm PT
The nuclear deal is Submission to GOD america for no nuclear use without surveillence permission approval and god knows what else Bharat has mortgaged only to ally fear of Pakistan......a country seven times smaller......talk about panic attack of bharat with wrong deal consequently

#31Harami

Women have now most rights than dead jessica lal

`A liar, Shayan won over by Manu`
Rahul Chhabra
[ 19 Dec, 2006 0118hrs ISTTIMES NEWS NETWORK ]


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NEW DELHI: A liar, a witness won over by Manu Sharma and the floater of an imaginary two-weapon theory. This is how Delhi High Court summed up its thoughts about Bollywood actor and hostile witness Shayan Munshi in its 61-page order.

But despite all the criticism heaped on him by a division bench, comprising Justice R S Sodhi and Justice P K Bhasin, a part of his testimony confirming the motive behind the shooting in Tamarind Court cafe on April 29 1999 proved crucial for convicting Manu for murder.

The bench observed: ``He (Munshi) has admitted that Jessica Lall was shot at by someone on her refusing to oblige him with a drink.`` This, in a way, was the court`s reply to defence counsel Ram Jethmalani`s plea during the appeal proceedings that Jessica was shot because she challenged the manhood of the killer.

Thereafter, everything that he said in his testimony in the trial court drilled holes in the prosecution case against Manu and others.

In a scathing remark about Munshi being accompanied by Manu`s former counsel during the trial — he was escorted to court by Ashok Bansal — the bench said: ``This tell-tale circumstance leaves no doubt that the new story this witness has introduced during trial is an afterthought as also a total lie at the instance of the accused.``

Justice Sodhi and Justice Bhasin dumped the two-weapon theory, observing: ``The two-weapon theory appears to be a concoction of the defence and a manipulation of evidence, in particular that of Shayan Munshi who, for the first time in court, introduced such a story.``

``He has come out with this explanation for the first time in court and we have no manner of doubt from the facts and circumstances of this case that he was won over by accused Manu Sharma,`` said the bench.

Munshi had been declared hostile after the prosecution told the trial court that he had deviated from his earlier statement to the police that on the fateful night it was only one person who had fired both the shots.

While deposing in the trial court, he claimed one shot was fired by one person at the roof of the restaurant while the other shot was fired by another at Jessica Lall. In the court, he pointed towards Manu Sharma and said he was not the man who had fired the first shot.

Munshi also claimed in the trial court that he can neither speak or write in Hindi and he signed the statement to the police in good faith. The high court, however, dismissed this plea, saying the S-I couldn`t have concocted the statement: ``Whether he had dictated his version to the sub-inspector Sunil Kumar in English or not has no significance.`` It pointed out that that the statement was recorded in Bina Ramani`s presence.

``It is significant to note that the statement of this witness was recorded on April 30 1999 itself and thereafter he never raised any grievance at any time before any authority that the police had recorded incorrect version in his statement,`` the bench said.

In the court, special public prosecutor S K Saxena had claimed Munshi understood Hindi and that he had acted in Bollywood film Jhankar Beats and given interviews in Hindi.
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Pande, this is a fairly clean summary of the situation, except for the last sentence where you reveal your peacenik tendencies. Fine, it is your article!

I would have written it a BIT differently. I would have also put up the parts which you deliberately left out – perhaps because you are a no-good dumb chicken and a peeing-in-her-pants communist!

Ever since partition, the Pakistanis leaders – civilian as well as military rulers – have always believed that at some point they can use force and deceit to wrest away Kashmir – they just need to keep trying.

Only now, after sixty years – they are finally beginning to wake up to the simple fact that they are wrong!

And the fact that one Pakistani translates into approximately one Indian – not ten!

And the fact that Pakistan is a small country!

Did I say that Pakistan is a SMALL country?!

Like the tail of an elephant – trying to pretend and putting on the airs of the elephant. Everyone in the world looks at this peculiar ``wanna-be`` creature and laughs – except for the Pakistanis who have no clue.

Well, in this game of chess, the distribution of pieces is VERY one sided and the Pakistanis are coming on the losing end. And finally….

Finally, at long last, SOME of these people have suddenly had this great brain wave…

“Hey, we are not going to win this game!” Wow, what a discovery!

So they go, “tell you what, let’s call it a draw!”

With a straight face, no less!

All of that while keeping things exactly the way they have forever been – by training jihadis, by pumping them across the border, by continuing to suppress their own weak and minorities, by continuing to shelter mob figures, and by not admitting to a SINGLE one of the sordid deeds that their dirty crowd has been turning in day in and day out – faster than the busiest of Pakistani red-light areas!

Well, good luck talking to yourself!

And, it is utterly ridiculous for the Pakistanis here to claim moral leverage of “people’s will” especially since they have a ZERO track record of the same and in fact ALWAYS shown absolute contempt for their own civilian leaders.

Therefore, the progeny of Jinnah should feel absolutely free to go F.U.D. itself!

#2
Devkant is right its the army on both sides that have employment and great share of national wealth at our expense
like screwing our priority and keeping there low i.q.in play and in forefront .....

#40

I agree too.

That #17 was written under the sway of bhaang!

Which somehow seem to havegotten through to you, too.

FINALLY!

Perhaps it is the unhealthy Lahore air.

Or simply a desire - the wishful thinking which overcomes simple inconvenience of reality.

Here is a dose of the real thing, sir! It is called the reality.

The Indian position is EXACTLY what it has forever been. And the Pakistanis have not done a SINGLE thing to show a change of heart! In other words - hot air!

So, don`t start making plans to buy real estate in New Delhi just yet!

Re: # 45

I am not supporting the insurgency against India or the people who support it, if that is what you assumed.

I was merely stating the reality of political power in Pakistan.

Ciao

Dear Ferozk,

So far, I have respected you as a historian from what I have read from you. Perhaps it is misplaced admiration.

When you start according weak-kneed legitimacy to people who have expressed open support for the Pakistani state-sponsored jihadist insurgency within India, not to mention all kinds of wild-ass theories in various matters of geopolitics - it clearly gives such people no legitimacy - merely makes YOU look like a chump!

Perhaps you are one of the people who got be F.U.D.dled, too!

Those who toast wine with the absolute, absolute heels of the earth should not expect to be judged as anything better!

Simple as that!!

[...Once the army is convinced,...]

yes, when the pig has stopped loving the mud, you can put some lipstick on its lips and pass it off as a horse... :)

Why would paki army ever be ``convinced`` of peace?... war is what keeps them in pwoer and pelf...