The Globalization of Spirituality

Re: # 49 by philosopher

Very well said

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.saima shah
well it is a thought provoking article but there are many obvious inconsistencies in it.it seems that article has been written in haste.there is no doubt that all spirtual systems of the world have same message and there are many simililarities b/w them.but can not have spirtual life without having some sort of clarity on theoretical level.this clarity may not be strictly mathematical or of formal nature but clarity in following the guidance priciples of those spirtual messages at least on personal level.we have to draw a line somewhere to know which things can not be accomodated in any spirtual message at any cost.they may not be of strict moral nature but at least you have to accept the psychological teaching of those spirtual messages.in all monothistic traditions you can not accpet lesbianism and still be spirtual like the playboy models.you may be `tolerent`but can not make them part of that spirtual message unless you are following spirtuality as `zehni aayashi`.islam does exactly that it subsumes all the spirtual messages but devolop a paradigm on which that spirtuality can be achieved on personal level.that` the reason why Quran makes distinction b/w islam and `imaan`.islam[submission]is the path to `imaan`.this submission or islam is the first step not itself a goal.if you stick to mechanicaly you would be sterile but if you accept as the guiding line or a framework than you will be able to comprehend ulitimate spirtual being.following this framework doesnt make you docile it shows you the path in the complexity and illusion of `appereance` to comprehend the reality beyond that.you have to have a clear stance of certain social ethics which are not of institutional nature but of spirtual and psychological nature otherwise you would decieve yourself.if you want to follow spirtuality you have got to have firm stance on things which are strictly forbidden in the spirtual messages.you might reshape them chang their form but you just can not accpet them as they are.if it isnt than i would raise the question of the intellectual creditability of the ultimate spirtual being.you are missing the point of purpose and ultimate goal of spirualism is well.is it merley `a psychological need`or it has some sort of goal associating with ulitimate nature of the transcendental realty?religious language and assertions are of metaphorical ,allegorical and symbolic nature especialy when they are dealing with transcendental universe of discourse but these assertions can not be absolutly independent of the meanings it obviously releases.they must be true in some sense in terms of their transcendental dicourse.these assertions must tell something about the ontological charchter of ultimate transcendental realty.if it is not so than i think its a great snare and the sooner we get rid of it the better.if we are grabing it to have mental fun and to reduce our depression than we should better focus on producing more psychologists and psychatrists.
you can not achieve spirtuality with having some sort of social philosophy and without adhering to certain `moral` priciples which spirtual message is offering.
on the secial level ,hoever,your methodology will be different.the phenemnoun of madudi is inevitable and in fact necessary.these are social laws.when we analyse them we have to see them from a sciological point of view.its the desire of civilisation to preserve its identity.
outcome of it may or may not have anything to do with religion or spirtuality but still its has got to be taken seriously by keeping in mind some of its ineveitable and positive aspects.you are talking about the globalisation of spirtuality and the simililarities in all spirtual messages but you seem to be unaffected even by those guiding principles which are common in all faiths only coz they dont suit to your preconcieved notion about social ethics.if this is the case i think you will be nowhere.

Re: # 45 and ofcourse Syed sahiba is descended from a long line of great people......poor NNTsyed.....is like a beast of burden....and longs to unburden himself anywhere

Re: # 46 OOntsyed BuOOlegum

[........Give it a rest boys]

Looks like the old dotard got tired of his building his caliphates in thin air...let him enjoy his dreams before he evaporates under next amrikan daisycutter ...hahaha


[...trailer park-blah blah blah ...]

Peach be upon you, garbage picker, cab-driverquick-canadian-visa-from-mamma bajori rubbish hahaha. Amen.

Re: # 45

correction...

``Give it a rest boys....your inability to defend your stupidity with or without vulgarity further reinforces your trailer park-lower middle class-naturalized hindi american trash stereotype, and embarrasses the heck out millions of decent Indian/Hindu people worldwide.``

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Re: #28 - 32

ROTFL....

Alhumdolillah ..... All praises be to ALLAH !!!....the ONE and ONLY to have blessed me with amazing quality to set off instant internal combustion within the enemies of Islam .... they look so funny popping like jalapenos out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Judging from the posts 28-32, I must have touched the raw nerve of the trailer park-lower middle class-naturalized hindi american trash, and a bit forcefully at that.....LOL

Here I was talking about kittens in the oven, and three came crawling out like over-baked, rather burnt, ``COOOOOOK-IES``......LOL

Give it a rest boys....your inability to defend your stupidity without vulgarity further reinforces your trailer park-lower middle class-naturalized hindi american trash stereotype, and embarrasses the heck out millions of decent Indian/Hindu people worldwide. Unlike you, these millions are trying to be a part of the solution, not problem.

It`s time you woke up to the reality that the WASP power brokers first incarcerated the American-Indians (The Actual Owners of the Americas) inside the reservations and then restricted them there by keeping them drunk in their casinos.

You, on the other hand, are only Indian-Americans, and even that by means of naturalization .... subject to revocation of your citizenship when it suits your WASP ``mastas`` with the Jews, blacks, hispanics, and Eastern European immigrants all around them.

Instead of isloated reservations, you`re placed in urban reservations called ghettos....because they need your cheap labor there. They`ll keep you feeling rich at 10K/year, since today that amount of money puts one in the top 13% of the global population. Go check out for yourself here

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#43 by HD

When we`re happy do we ever think of God?

When the cup is full, who cares about any God.

Kabir sang:

``Dukh mein sumiran sab kare, sukh mein kare na koi
Jo sukh mein sumiran kare, to dukh kahe ko hoi?``

Loose translation:

``Everyone remembers god in times of sorrow, no one remembers him when happy,
Those who remember him even in happiness, why would they ever be in sorrow?``

When we`re happy do we ever think of God?

When the cup is full, who cares about any God.

Kabir sang -
Man mast hua toh kyun bole

Only when the cup is empty, the problems begin, without end :)

Re- Zeena: ``Spiritualism is a way to focus your mind upon one point, and get intensely attached to it with out getting separated even when you`re among millions of humans.``

So is stalking :))))

#40

That is quiet possible b/c Pakistan ideology is attributed to him and many TNT supporter swear by Iqbal.
He died much before later on leaders used religion and politics for there own good and ends.

Re: # 39

That`s good to know... but I think he was a little too gung-ho on the islamic stuff and ``muslim nationalism``...

#Mohar

I have always thought Iqbal was a jacka## and this couplet proves it further...

Mian - Your faith is false, it has led you down the wrong path.... it will lead you to your final destruction unless you wisen up... :)
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Iqbal like many other nationalists including Tagore wanted to be proud of being from the EAST.

Iqbal did not take Islam literally but Philosophically ,
his thesis was in persian islamic mystisism
and he was right to feel good enough and stand up to Arrogence of west represented by Colonisers

Re: # 37
[...Muslims who had nothing but poverty, hunger, destitute, and oppression and yet they had faith so that they constructed a mosque overnight...]

And even today - muslims still have the same poverty, hunger,destitute... even today, they are more concerned about mosque, koran, cartoon of Mo than their own destitution... the faith has led them to more of the same poverty, hunger,destitute... and yet muslims didn`t learn a thing...

I have always thought Iqbal was a jacka## and this couplet proves it further...

Mian - Your faith is false, it has led you down the wrong path.... it will lead you to your final destruction unless you wisen up... :)

Re: # 36 tolkinin

You have partially quoted another of Allama Iqbal`s masterpiece. This couplet is also very pertinent to the subject at hand. But first the correct couplet, which is as follows:``

``Masjid to banadi shab bhar mein imaan ke hararat walon ne
man apna purana papi hay barson mein namazi ban na saka``


The background of this couplet is that there used to be a mosque in Lahore, which was partially demolished by Sikhs during the Sikhashahi and converted into a Gurdawara. When British took over Punjab from Sikhs, sometime in 1920s Muslims filed a case in the court for the recovery of the their property and re-enactment of the building as Mosque once again. The English Judge, decalred in court that before he gave any verdict he would want to visit the disputed site, the next day. Upon hearing this, the Muslims of Lahore, went to the disputedsite , in the middle of night, and removed any signs of construction that would give an impression of it being anything but a mosque. They also performed some construction overnight in this regard as well. The next day when judge visited the site he could not find anything that would even remotely suggest that the building was ever a Gurdawara.

Allama on one hand has paid tribute to those Muslims who had nothing but poverty, hunger, destitute, and oppression and yet they had faith so that they constructed a mosque overnight; but on the other hand Allama laments those Muslims who have everything but no faith.

Without faith a human being is nothing but a biological entity whose only pupose in life becomes to consume, procreate, and seek comfort. To rise above the level of being a biological entity all a man has to do is to prostrate before One True God.

Everything else is false.

#34 Urstruly

That one prostration, that you feel so difficult to make;
Gives you freedom from thousands of other prostrations
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But all including hindu jews christians do kneel /prostrate somewhere.

Iqbal also could not practice strict islam when he said


Man apna purana papi hai

Barso maine namazi ban na saka?

#34 by Urstruly on December 12, 2006 11:46am PT



Logically, Satan shouldn`t be wasting his efforts on those Who have no idea Who their Creator is.


Unless satan is your creator....have you considered that...satanic verses and all that religious bunk...