Killing Darwin

Re:nasah#3

[..oh my God what a dreadful mistake -- the curse that has befallen Pakistan TV is the not only Islam but the Alzeimer`s Islam -- today they learn all day and night about Islam and the exposition of its finer points for the trillionth time -- tomorrow morning they forget everything -- have to restart studying Islam anew for the zillionth time.

even though they are born with Azaan in their ears -- they grow up in madarassas and they die in madarassas -- studying Islam over and over again -- every weekend -- and every day five times -- and still they don’t feel they remember anything -- they have to bring it on Pakistan TV as well -- all day all night! .....]

ROTFLMAO!! This was really hilarious......

From the survey done by the Times of India people with TNS November 2006,

Three fourths of Indians are strong believers; 72 per cent of those in their twenties strongly believe in god.

92 % in the north had expressed their belief in God, the figure slipped to 86% in South.

Re: # 22
well u r again oversimplyfy here.i have said again again that these are not my `thoughts`this is my approach towards knowledge.as for being apologist,well againg u r misled on this issue.what is apologetic approach can one define it?two different framework of thinking can reach at exactly the same conclusion but they can both be miles away from each other intellectualy.you n me also know that technology plays a very important role in our life,cars run,planes fly,but do we all know their mechanism and all the scientific technicalities.a scientist sitting on next seat with me in the plane completly understands all the physical laws which keep plane flying but though i also know its flying but know some basics of those laws which i have in general book.we both are right in knowing that plane is flying but intellectualy with two entirely different approaches and abilities.in the same the so called apologist presents the same view as of Allama iqbal.is he intellectualy equel to iqbal?will u call allama iqbal a third rate philosopher coz of apologist`s sheer stupidity?ideas and thoughts can have completly different philosophical perspectives.even though they have same conclusion.one is superficial or APOLOGETIC[i dont what is apologetic approach people know its meanings untill they r asked]and other is devoloped on incredibly complicated philosophical analysis.as for matter of contradiction is concerned u r again oversimplifying ,this issue is as simple as it looks on the surface its perhaps the most complicated logical issue.we can not see things with oversimplified notions.since the day i have read this issue of contradiction i tremble with fear when i m about to call two judgments contradictory coz now i know depth of the matter.i will very soon post my article on chowk.i m not a good writer as u have judged but i will try my level best to convey my thoughts in a lucid manner.

Re: # 6

Vah vah VRVji,

dhimmitude dikhao aur miyon ki chaploosi karo. BTW i have been on a passenger train between Karnavati and Surat and I did not finnd the Bhajan singers hypoctitical at all. They persuaded their fellow passenger every time to squeeze a little more to accomdate a few more of them and shared their food and water with those who appeared to have none. This 255 kilometer thanks to the socialist, secularist and communists took 11 hours and all my life in India I have seen only these hypocritical Bhajanwalas and Sardars (also Bhajanwalas but more likely harbhajanwalas do something similar).

Ishwar aapko sadbuddhi de.

Regards
Sanatani

#21
As I see it brother philosopher, you are nothing more than a cultured apologist for religious dogma. And I also see why satire in which marxists, or former communists like NFP excell, and which usually poke fun at religious dogma, really hurts those who want to ``philosophise`` what he thinks is nothing but contratdiction and philosophical hogwash. This is my thinking on this, brother philosopher, I hope you will treat it with as much respect as I have treated yours?

Re: # 20
i have never said that i m a great philosopher.what am i for?well,its not a simple matter sister.you can not see things with the perspective of either be or not be kinda law of thought.its a complex world sister.well,i m religious [muslim]but i know that there can be people of different atittudes and mental abilities in following any school of thought,same is true about religion and islam.when i read any philosophy i try to find the thoughts of the best scholars on that subject.why shouldnt i have same approach when i try to study religion?if i m a muslim n i do believe in islam i wont accept anything of third class muslim mullahs who are completely unaware of the complex philosophy of relgion only because i m a muslim.in the same way i wont reject any school of thought which doesnt suit to my inclinations unless i go deep into it and challenge at least i wont ridicule it and i would certainly consider it a serious philosophy.i m not able to stand and argue for a few minute in a serious philosophical debate and always use rhetorics i can become `a figure among ciphers`but i wont be able acquire true knowledge which i have strong desire of.the book [Quran]i follow deeply doesnt teach me that.according to the Quran wicked can never be able to reach the truth even if he is a muslim[n there r around u know that]Quran says even a muslim who is following islam mechanicaly he is just decieving himself if he is not pursuing the true level of discovery where truth reveal itself with the light of Allah.
these are not my thoughts this is my atittude towards knowledge.what my philosophical thoughts are ,well its a difficult question can not be answred here so simply.this is my approach towards knowledge.i know many marxists who will not be able to face a few philosophical arguements against their dogma but they have the delusion that something very special and are gonna change the fate of the world.so u will find every kinda people in every school of thought.

#20
No problem, brother philospher. I wasn`t really hurt, just intrigued. And I still am. You said,[[If I am against mullahism, that doesnt make me the greatest intellectual on earth]]. Meaning, if you arent against mullahism, that would make you a great philosopher? Your posts suggest you are not for mullahs and nor are you for them. What are you for then? In other words, I wonder, brother, what does made you such a great intellectual? And I am asking this without feeling hurt, so lay off the sorrys. :)

Re: # 18
sorry sister if you r hurt.i didnt mean that.i m not saying that i m the greatest philosopher the world has ever seen.but being a humble student of philosophy[doing phd]i know at least i can understand philosophical aspects and complexity of certain philosophical issues better than any non-philosophical mind.you see that`s the problem with philosophy.even a student of philosophy can not deny even the opinion those who r completly unaware of philosophical analysis.if doctor tells u do something u will love to do that coz u know at least he knows better than `naani amman`[granny]and daadi amaan &company.than y shouldnt we be carefull about philosophical issues before jumping into some ridiculous highly superficial conclusion suited to our inclination.one must pursue knowledge.as for my knowledge of Quran is concrend[i m not concrend about ignorant mullahs]Quran is also against blind faith.that`s why it distinguishes mechanical practice of islam from `imaan`imaan in its broadest terms is necessarily an intellectual act which leads to discovery of the ultimate being.what i mean to say is that we should take into consideration our own ability to comprehend those highly complex philosophical issue which have always been controversial in the philosophical community all over the world.thisngs are not as simple as they look on surface.if i m against mullahism it doesnt make me the greatest intellecual on earth.sorry again.

#17
Meaning only YOU know the philosophy behind the issue and everyone else here is doing jhaak baazi? Just a question and not a comment. :)

Re: # 16
you first read both theories and than say anything in terms of their philosophical aspects.
i m not saying that we shouldnt teach science or confuse our youth by mixing up many things by telecasting these kinda programmes on tv but same is applicable to other extreme.if u have read my posts u maight have got the idea that these are two separate issues which can not be mixed up.these are highly philosophical debates.if you are confident and give judgment without knowing anything about its complexity and technicalities it doesnt mean that every one around is doing`jhak baazi`.

#15
NFP makes good sense. The question he is asking is simple: Why are these channels showing progs attacking Marxism and Darwinism in a day and age and country where Marxism is no more a threat to Islam (if it ever was). The second question he asks is pretty senseable too: Are these channels telling young people to dump secular sciences in favour of Islamic creationist myths?

NFP, it doesn`t really make sense.
i think so i agree with PHILOSOPHER here. he is right when he says that everyone think they know philosophy. In reality it is not as simple as that.

Re: # 1 ParthaAB

My understanding is that any religion is a set of ideas that challenges an older, rigidly established, regimented and retrograde set of ideas during its infancy, builds up a following of like-minded people and later it develops into a similarly rigid, regimented and retrograde system itself. In this respect communism is also as good or bad as any other religion, although it professes to be against religion as such.

Its also not correct to say that all believers are prudes and intolerant towards debate and doubts. It depends upon the environment one is brought up in (I don`t mean family background exactly). Those who branded their opponents ``enemy of the people`` at the drop of a hat were as closed-minded as the worst religious fanatic around.

Someone believing that his life is controlled by Gods in the skies shocks you, but how can you be sure that under more favorable circumstances, Communists wouldn`t have conferred the same status upon Marx or Lenin, say 200 years on?

``dont draw conclusion out of sheer stupidity``(Philosopher sahib)

then why bring Holy Quran into the sheer stupidity....:)

NFP
How come that obnoxious lady was ``so Darwanian`` when all she wanted to do was dump you and break her fast? :)
Another great piece of satire, though. Reminded me of that Sissy Facists article you did a few months ago.

Re: # 3 Nasah

Hasan saheb, don`t you get Star One on your cable/DTH? You can watch the The Comedy Show Ha Ha Ha (the best) and The Great Indian Laughter Challenge (second best) for a change. Why watch those stupid saas-bahu serials?