Truth Behind US-India Nuclear Deal
Shanay Khuda December 13, 2006
#79 Posted by Ranjit on December 18, 2006 5:14:27 pm
Re:arjun #78
All right!!! Three cheers for India....Hip, Hip, Hooray!!!
What a day!! We get the nuke deal and we thrash South Africa in the first test match.
Pakistanio, kitni mirchi lagi? Come on guys, admit it. The mirchi is too much, right?
All right!!! Three cheers for India....Hip, Hip, Hooray!!!
What a day!! We get the nuke deal and we thrash South Africa in the first test match.
Pakistanio, kitni mirchi lagi? Come on guys, admit it. The mirchi is too much, right?
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#77 Posted by taikonaut on December 18, 2006 1:24:21 pm
France tries to gain China nuclear foothold [after losing to US-Westinghouse]
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16255689/
.............................China`s decision early on Saturday morning to go with Westinghouse`s design for four 1.1 gigawatt pressurised water reactors rather than Areva`s is a severe blow to the French government...............................................
......................France will this week attempt to salvage a role for its nuclear industry in China`s multi-billion dollar energy programme after Beijing opted for third-generation power plants designed by Westinghouse of the US rather than the French Areva.
Chinese officials arrive in Paris on Tuesday to discuss future industrial cooperation with the French government, which is hoping to secure a role for its EDF electricity group in the construction and operation of the plants. EDF is one of the world`s biggest nuclear operators with 59 reactors in France providing roughly 80 per cent of the country`s electricity needs..............
...................read more at the msnbc website
#76 Posted by taikonaut on December 18, 2006 1:11:43 pm
Re: # 70by ahmedmadani on December 17, 2006 11:07am PT
Re: # 68
In long terms we will get ripe fruit in our laps. No foreign lands or hands are required. Our army is strong and its really waiting game one has to be patient like my cat.
I beg to differ Madni sahib. Pakistani army is strong only when it is allied with some large industrial power (s).
Ayub`s time was good for Pakistan economy and Pak economy for several reasons. However one of the most important reason was our alliances like CETO, CENTO, and RCD. If you care to look deeper, all these organizations were American supported and financed.
We will be $tupid to let go of industrial powers when China, India, and every far-East Asian is trying to cozy up with huge industrial states like America, Japan, Germany, UK etc.
In fact it is funny that we want to depend on China who in turn is totally dependent on Americans.
#75 Posted by soysauce on December 18, 2006 11:49:51 am
#70 madani ji,
That was awesome! Does this mumbo-jumbo work only in english?
In my native language of tamil, with 247 characters, india would add up to 200+ numerologically. What is the significance of that i wonder. Is something really terrible going to happen in 200 seconds, minutes, days, weeks, months or years?
You are a great guy but like all chowk pakis you set a very high standard for everyone else. You have been playing the victim a bit too long.
That was awesome! Does this mumbo-jumbo work only in english?
In my native language of tamil, with 247 characters, india would add up to 200+ numerologically. What is the significance of that i wonder. Is something really terrible going to happen in 200 seconds, minutes, days, weeks, months or years?
You are a great guy but like all chowk pakis you set a very high standard for everyone else. You have been playing the victim a bit too long.
#74 Posted by taikonaut on December 18, 2006 9:25:06 am
US Nuclear deals serve multiple purposes.
India treats this deal as ``acceptance of nuclear status`` by the USA.
Whereas for USA, it is just a way to ``balance mutual trade``. All the $billions now flowing from USA to India must be brought back to US. That is why US will use all its muscle, charm, anger, begging etc. to sell Boeing planes and nuclear reactors.
Just see how US has out smarted France in the nuclear deals with China.
French may jump up and down. But the Chinese have to buy stuff from USA.
France will start winning the day they outsource $billion manufacturing contracts to China.
The same thing is true for India.
For those Pakistanis who feel disheartened, must realize that the nuclear plants will not come in on ``loans and aid``. We must create positive ``trade / services balance`` with USA. And Musharraf seems to be on track for doing just that.
Westinghouse wins massive China nuclear deal
Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:15 PM IST20
By Emma Graham-Harrison
http://in.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=businessNews&storyID=2006-12-16T151016Z_01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_India-280493-2.xml
BEIJING (Reuters) - U.S.-based Westinghouse Electric Co. has won a two-year battle for a multibillion-dollar nuclear power deal with China, edging out French and Russian rivals to secure a contract that may help Beijing smooth ties with Washington.
The deal, estimated in the past at some $8 billion, should warm relations between the world`s top two energy consumers, who have clashed lately over a range of issues from the yuan currency to the Chinese bid for U.S. independent oil firm Unocal.
It will also reaffirm China -- now a laggard in the nuclear sector -- at the forefront of a global trend towards increased use of atomic power, touted by many nations as the cleanest, cheapest solution to the world`s strained energy industry.
``(The agreement) represents a major step forward in our relations and will advance our bilateral trade relationship and the energy security of both our nations,`` U.S. Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman said in a statement after signing the memorandum with Ma Kai, the chairman of the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC), China`s powerful energy policymaking body.
He said it would help the U.S. balance of payments and create more than 5,500 U.S. jobs. The United States had a record $202 billion trade deficit with China last year.
India treats this deal as ``acceptance of nuclear status`` by the USA.
Whereas for USA, it is just a way to ``balance mutual trade``. All the $billions now flowing from USA to India must be brought back to US. That is why US will use all its muscle, charm, anger, begging etc. to sell Boeing planes and nuclear reactors.
Just see how US has out smarted France in the nuclear deals with China.
French may jump up and down. But the Chinese have to buy stuff from USA.
France will start winning the day they outsource $billion manufacturing contracts to China.
The same thing is true for India.
For those Pakistanis who feel disheartened, must realize that the nuclear plants will not come in on ``loans and aid``. We must create positive ``trade / services balance`` with USA. And Musharraf seems to be on track for doing just that.
Westinghouse wins massive China nuclear deal
Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:15 PM IST20
By Emma Graham-Harrison
http://in.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=businessNews&storyID=2006-12-16T151016Z_01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_India-280493-2.xml
BEIJING (Reuters) - U.S.-based Westinghouse Electric Co. has won a two-year battle for a multibillion-dollar nuclear power deal with China, edging out French and Russian rivals to secure a contract that may help Beijing smooth ties with Washington.
The deal, estimated in the past at some $8 billion, should warm relations between the world`s top two energy consumers, who have clashed lately over a range of issues from the yuan currency to the Chinese bid for U.S. independent oil firm Unocal.
It will also reaffirm China -- now a laggard in the nuclear sector -- at the forefront of a global trend towards increased use of atomic power, touted by many nations as the cleanest, cheapest solution to the world`s strained energy industry.
``(The agreement) represents a major step forward in our relations and will advance our bilateral trade relationship and the energy security of both our nations,`` U.S. Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman said in a statement after signing the memorandum with Ma Kai, the chairman of the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC), China`s powerful energy policymaking body.
He said it would help the U.S. balance of payments and create more than 5,500 U.S. jobs. The United States had a record $202 billion trade deficit with China last year.
#73 Posted by 1saurabh on December 17, 2006 8:13:44 pm
ahmedmadani Re: # 69
I have made calculations carefully and kashmir will be joining motherland in about 26 years. In next posting I will wxplain in detail, but be patient.
I am waiting with bated breath. Pl hurry.
regards
I have made calculations carefully and kashmir will be joining motherland in about 26 years. In next posting I will wxplain in detail, but be patient.
I am waiting with bated breath. Pl hurry.
regards
#72 Posted by dost_mittar on December 17, 2006 11:17:02 am
A fairly balanced assessment of the deal by a Pakistani ex-ambassador:
The Indo-US nuclear deal
http://dawn.com/2006/12/16/op.htm
By Tariq Fatemi
Excerpts:
While it is not the purpose here to carry out a technical evaluation of the agreement, suffice it to state that both the US and India are convinced that it represents a major victory for both countries that will benefit them in more ways than apparent. It is true, nevertheless, that critics of the Manmohan Singh government, especially those in the opposition BJP, were able to raise a number of technical issues that they claimed represented serious shortcomings in the agreement.
The critics were peeved by the fact that some of the concerns raised by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in his speech to the Indian parliament on August 17, 2006, were ignored by the US Congress. They are upset that the deal may not provide India with “full civil nuclear energy and access to American enrichment and reprocessing technologies”. There is also some concern on issues referred to as a “reciprocity and sequencing”. While the July 18, 2005, agreement had spoken of India and the US taking reciprocal steps to complete their obligations, the final text would require India to finalise its safeguard agreement with the IAEA, (though not to actually sign it), before the US president made his determination of Indian compliance.
The issue of certification had also upset many Indians who opposed the requirement that the US president make annual reports to Congress, including providing a certificate that India was in full compliance with its non-proliferation and other requirements. The US Congress has finessed this issue by using the word “assessment”, rather than “certification”, meaning that the US president provide his “assessment” of whether India is working with the US on issues such as Iran’s nuclear programme. But there is no reference to the imposition of penalty in case of a negative assessment.
The Indians had also wanted a clear assurance of uninterrupted fuel supply over the lifetime of imported reactors in exchange for placing its civilian reactors under in-perpetuity safeguards so that India could build up strategic reserves of nuclear fuel over the lifetime of its reactors. The act, however, enjoins the US government to oppose the stockpiling of nuclear fuel beyond a small reserve.
........................................
However, as happens with any piece of legislation that goes through months of debate, discussion, and bargaining, the 123 Agreement contains redundancies. For instance, certain provisions of this bill are already present in various existing US laws. Indian commentators have rightly pointed out that since this is a piece of domestic US legislation, not requiring any Indian action, New Delhi should quietly take advantage of the benefits flowing from it and not focus on inconsequential details which have little bearing on Indian core interests.
True, the agreement does not give India nuclear power status, but it does enable India to keep eight of its nuclear plants secret for military purposes, while opening the other 14 and all future civilian nuclear power plants to international inspection. The US and other nuclear supplier nations will provide fuel and technology for India’s existing and future civil facilities. There are reports to the effect that India is expected to spend more than $100 billion on producing nuclear energy during the next 10 years, with US companies expecting to get the lion’s share of these contracts. An American mining company has already signed an agreement to sell 500 metric tons of uranium a year to India.
This explains why a powerful coalition of influential lobbies played a critical role in convincing key legislators to extend their support to the administration’s decision to enter into this deal with India. In this effort, the large American business houses were ably assisted by the political action groups established by wealthy Indians, who spent millions of dollars to mount a slick and effective campaign in favour of the bill.
This contains a lesson for all those desirous of extending their influence in the United States. But what is of greater relevance is to see the “deal” beyond the mere confines of its text. Its message is loud and clear. The administration was certainly able to take advantage of the growing, domestic admiration and appreciation of India, not only in terms of what this huge, economically growing secular democracy represents, but what its potential is likely to be in the coming years. Only such strategic considerations could have convinced experienced and mature politicians as Senators Richard Lugar and Joseph Biden, to set aside their lifelong opposition to nuclear proliferation and spearhead the campaign in favour of the bill.
Not surprisingly, US and Indian officials were exultant at the completion of what both rightly claimed was a historic endeavour that reached fruition in less than a year and a half. Indian Foreign Secretary Shiv Shankar Menon described the deal as a “stand alone arrangement” which recognises India’s responsible role as a global player. Under Secretary Nicholas Burns waxed lyrical calling it “a unique agreement for a unique country”.
Global developments over the past years, particularly in the Middle East, have increased India’s importance in the calculus of the US foreign policy establishment. Nothing represents the current predicament of the US as starkly as Iraq. Its dream of worldwide domination, underpinned by the neocon philosophy of this administration, lies in ruins on the banks of the Euphrates.
Iraq’s invasion, in defiance of international public opinion, was meant to establish a docile client state, with its vast oil resources at America’s disposal. And in the bargain, Israel’s last remaining potential threat would also be destroyed. Instead, Iraq has become a graveyard littered with gruesome specimens of America’s follies. Consequently, the US failure to achieve any of its declared objectives has raised questions not only about the moral compass of this great country, but also its ability to sustain its global ambitions.
..........
In such a scenario, India’s willingness “to play ball” — of course on its own terms — is a major positive development for the US, and American planners intend to take full advantage of it. This explains the importance Washington has been attaching to India over the past years and more so after 9/11.
In fact, with the realisation that the US may be entering into a long, sustained confrontation with the world of “radical” Islam, countries such as India, Australia, Japan and to some degree Vietnam, are being looked upon increasingly not only to promote American interests, but to participate in the American-led effort to “contain China” as well. While this does not mean that India will follow Washington’s dictates, it will certainly not hesitate to promote American interests, especially when and where they coincide with its own.
The Indo-US nuclear deal
http://dawn.com/2006/12/16/op.htm
By Tariq Fatemi
Excerpts:
While it is not the purpose here to carry out a technical evaluation of the agreement, suffice it to state that both the US and India are convinced that it represents a major victory for both countries that will benefit them in more ways than apparent. It is true, nevertheless, that critics of the Manmohan Singh government, especially those in the opposition BJP, were able to raise a number of technical issues that they claimed represented serious shortcomings in the agreement.
The critics were peeved by the fact that some of the concerns raised by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in his speech to the Indian parliament on August 17, 2006, were ignored by the US Congress. They are upset that the deal may not provide India with “full civil nuclear energy and access to American enrichment and reprocessing technologies”. There is also some concern on issues referred to as a “reciprocity and sequencing”. While the July 18, 2005, agreement had spoken of India and the US taking reciprocal steps to complete their obligations, the final text would require India to finalise its safeguard agreement with the IAEA, (though not to actually sign it), before the US president made his determination of Indian compliance.
The issue of certification had also upset many Indians who opposed the requirement that the US president make annual reports to Congress, including providing a certificate that India was in full compliance with its non-proliferation and other requirements. The US Congress has finessed this issue by using the word “assessment”, rather than “certification”, meaning that the US president provide his “assessment” of whether India is working with the US on issues such as Iran’s nuclear programme. But there is no reference to the imposition of penalty in case of a negative assessment.
The Indians had also wanted a clear assurance of uninterrupted fuel supply over the lifetime of imported reactors in exchange for placing its civilian reactors under in-perpetuity safeguards so that India could build up strategic reserves of nuclear fuel over the lifetime of its reactors. The act, however, enjoins the US government to oppose the stockpiling of nuclear fuel beyond a small reserve.
........................................
However, as happens with any piece of legislation that goes through months of debate, discussion, and bargaining, the 123 Agreement contains redundancies. For instance, certain provisions of this bill are already present in various existing US laws. Indian commentators have rightly pointed out that since this is a piece of domestic US legislation, not requiring any Indian action, New Delhi should quietly take advantage of the benefits flowing from it and not focus on inconsequential details which have little bearing on Indian core interests.
True, the agreement does not give India nuclear power status, but it does enable India to keep eight of its nuclear plants secret for military purposes, while opening the other 14 and all future civilian nuclear power plants to international inspection. The US and other nuclear supplier nations will provide fuel and technology for India’s existing and future civil facilities. There are reports to the effect that India is expected to spend more than $100 billion on producing nuclear energy during the next 10 years, with US companies expecting to get the lion’s share of these contracts. An American mining company has already signed an agreement to sell 500 metric tons of uranium a year to India.
This explains why a powerful coalition of influential lobbies played a critical role in convincing key legislators to extend their support to the administration’s decision to enter into this deal with India. In this effort, the large American business houses were ably assisted by the political action groups established by wealthy Indians, who spent millions of dollars to mount a slick and effective campaign in favour of the bill.
This contains a lesson for all those desirous of extending their influence in the United States. But what is of greater relevance is to see the “deal” beyond the mere confines of its text. Its message is loud and clear. The administration was certainly able to take advantage of the growing, domestic admiration and appreciation of India, not only in terms of what this huge, economically growing secular democracy represents, but what its potential is likely to be in the coming years. Only such strategic considerations could have convinced experienced and mature politicians as Senators Richard Lugar and Joseph Biden, to set aside their lifelong opposition to nuclear proliferation and spearhead the campaign in favour of the bill.
Not surprisingly, US and Indian officials were exultant at the completion of what both rightly claimed was a historic endeavour that reached fruition in less than a year and a half. Indian Foreign Secretary Shiv Shankar Menon described the deal as a “stand alone arrangement” which recognises India’s responsible role as a global player. Under Secretary Nicholas Burns waxed lyrical calling it “a unique agreement for a unique country”.
Global developments over the past years, particularly in the Middle East, have increased India’s importance in the calculus of the US foreign policy establishment. Nothing represents the current predicament of the US as starkly as Iraq. Its dream of worldwide domination, underpinned by the neocon philosophy of this administration, lies in ruins on the banks of the Euphrates.
Iraq’s invasion, in defiance of international public opinion, was meant to establish a docile client state, with its vast oil resources at America’s disposal. And in the bargain, Israel’s last remaining potential threat would also be destroyed. Instead, Iraq has become a graveyard littered with gruesome specimens of America’s follies. Consequently, the US failure to achieve any of its declared objectives has raised questions not only about the moral compass of this great country, but also its ability to sustain its global ambitions.
..........
In such a scenario, India’s willingness “to play ball” — of course on its own terms — is a major positive development for the US, and American planners intend to take full advantage of it. This explains the importance Washington has been attaching to India over the past years and more so after 9/11.
In fact, with the realisation that the US may be entering into a long, sustained confrontation with the world of “radical” Islam, countries such as India, Australia, Japan and to some degree Vietnam, are being looked upon increasingly not only to promote American interests, but to participate in the American-led effort to “contain China” as well. While this does not mean that India will follow Washington’s dictates, it will certainly not hesitate to promote American interests, especially when and where they coincide with its own.
#71 Posted by ahmedmadani on December 17, 2006 11:11:55 am
Re: # 69
I think you are follower of Bal T
I think you are follower of Bal T
#70 Posted by ahmedmadani on December 17, 2006 11:07:51 am
Re: # 68
In long terms we will get ripe fruit in our laps. No foreign lands or hands are required. Our army is strong and its really waiting game one has to be patient like my cat. She waits patiently for days when one day that birds land on branch near land in seconds game is over bird is in her mouth and victoriously she parades. Things move fast like typhoon, like like east pakistan was gone withinn three weeks almost to this day. I have made calculations carefully and kashmir will be joining motherland in about 26 years. In next posting I will wxplain in detail, but be patient. At that time pakistani led ny NLI will pass through kashmir as hot knife goes through butter fast , sharp and decively. In 26 years astrologically India is going in trouble. Give a=1 b=2 and z=26. and add letters I+N+D+I+A and see what tragic number comes out look at that number its horrible.
When I read your posting its like George Orwells 1984 ``hate minute`` against emanual Goldsten big brother managaes and all even sane gat in frenzy of hate. Why you do not wish good to neighbour who are similar but only of differet race, when you can be living with dark races and white races people. Stopt race hatred, stop anti pakistani racism. Its wrong as its useless and when you know people specially of MQM who control Karach and hyderbad and all urban sindh as indentical race like you indians. Be good neighbourhood, if you can not say good just refrain from saying as it creates hatred and which is consuming lots of otherwise good people.
Good night and good luck.
In long terms we will get ripe fruit in our laps. No foreign lands or hands are required. Our army is strong and its really waiting game one has to be patient like my cat. She waits patiently for days when one day that birds land on branch near land in seconds game is over bird is in her mouth and victoriously she parades. Things move fast like typhoon, like like east pakistan was gone withinn three weeks almost to this day. I have made calculations carefully and kashmir will be joining motherland in about 26 years. In next posting I will wxplain in detail, but be patient. At that time pakistani led ny NLI will pass through kashmir as hot knife goes through butter fast , sharp and decively. In 26 years astrologically India is going in trouble. Give a=1 b=2 and z=26. and add letters I+N+D+I+A and see what tragic number comes out look at that number its horrible.
When I read your posting its like George Orwells 1984 ``hate minute`` against emanual Goldsten big brother managaes and all even sane gat in frenzy of hate. Why you do not wish good to neighbour who are similar but only of differet race, when you can be living with dark races and white races people. Stopt race hatred, stop anti pakistani racism. Its wrong as its useless and when you know people specially of MQM who control Karach and hyderbad and all urban sindh as indentical race like you indians. Be good neighbourhood, if you can not say good just refrain from saying as it creates hatred and which is consuming lots of otherwise good people.
Good night and good luck.
#69 Posted by ahmedmadani on December 17, 2006 11:07:36 am
Re: # 68
In long terms we will get ripe fruit in our laps. No foreign lands or hands are required. Our army is strong and its really waiting game one has to be patient like my cat. She waits patiently for days when one day that birds land on branch near land in seconds game is over bird is in her mouth and victoriously she parades. Things move fast like typhoon, like like east pakistan was gone withinn three weeks almost to this day. I have made calculations carefully and kashmir will be joining motherland in about 26 years. In next posting I will wxplain in detail, but be patient. At that time pakistani led ny NLI will pass through kashmir as hot knife goes through butter fast , sharp and decively. In 26 years astrologically India is going in trouble. Give a=1 b=2 and z=26. and add letters I+N+D+I+A and see what tragic number comes out look at that number its horrible.
When I read your posting its like George Orwells 1984 ``hate minute`` against emanual Goldsten big brother managaes and all even sane gat in frenzy of hate. Why you do not wish good to neighbour who are similar but only of differet race, when you can be living with dark races and white races people. Stopt race hatred, stop anti pakistani racism. Its wrong as its useless and when you know people specially of MQM who control Karach and hyderbad and all urban sindh as indentical race like you indians. Be good neighbourhood, if you can not say good just refrain from saying as it creates hatred and which is consuming lots of otherwise good people.
Good night and good luck.
In long terms we will get ripe fruit in our laps. No foreign lands or hands are required. Our army is strong and its really waiting game one has to be patient like my cat. She waits patiently for days when one day that birds land on branch near land in seconds game is over bird is in her mouth and victoriously she parades. Things move fast like typhoon, like like east pakistan was gone withinn three weeks almost to this day. I have made calculations carefully and kashmir will be joining motherland in about 26 years. In next posting I will wxplain in detail, but be patient. At that time pakistani led ny NLI will pass through kashmir as hot knife goes through butter fast , sharp and decively. In 26 years astrologically India is going in trouble. Give a=1 b=2 and z=26. and add letters I+N+D+I+A and see what tragic number comes out look at that number its horrible.
When I read your posting its like George Orwells 1984 ``hate minute`` against emanual Goldsten big brother managaes and all even sane gat in frenzy of hate. Why you do not wish good to neighbour who are similar but only of differet race, when you can be living with dark races and white races people. Stopt race hatred, stop anti pakistani racism. Its wrong as its useless and when you know people specially of MQM who control Karach and hyderbad and all urban sindh as indentical race like you indians. Be good neighbourhood, if you can not say good just refrain from saying as it creates hatred and which is consuming lots of otherwise good people.
Good night and good luck.
#68 Posted by ahmedmadani on December 17, 2006 10:44:27 am
Re: # 67
Arjun donot draw fast conclusions. It is said ``who laughs last is best laugh``. Kashmir is like ripe mango and it will fell when it time comes. Things take time so be patient then cry lot.
Arjun donot draw fast conclusions. It is said ``who laughs last is best laugh``. Kashmir is like ripe mango and it will fell when it time comes. Things take time so be patient then cry lot.
#67 Posted by arjun2 on December 17, 2006 10:28:25 am
#65 by taikonaut on December 17, 2006 7:49am PT
He is the one who promised plebiscite.
Not that it matters, but this means the UN resolution on Kashmir is not null and void seeing as how we`re dismissing the UN as an imperial outsider...
again..it doesn`t matter anyway...Kashmir ain`t going to banega pakiland...
He is the one who promised plebiscite.
Not that it matters, but this means the UN resolution on Kashmir is not null and void seeing as how we`re dismissing the UN as an imperial outsider...
again..it doesn`t matter anyway...Kashmir ain`t going to banega pakiland...
#66 Posted by 1saurabh on December 17, 2006 8:21:53 am
taikonaut Re: # 65
``No wonder ghaddars and sell out to Europeans have use twisted logic to sell out the Indian subcontinent.``
Do you seriously think any country would ``Buy`` Pakistan? Are you nuts? In the present day world nobody would ``Take`` Pakistam even if offered free of cost. Your Jihadi credentials have ensured this.
Simply put the US is only interested in cleaning pure land of Terrorists, eliminate powers that be in Pakistan that support Jihad worldwide and importantly to difuse permanently the Islamic Bomb. The US will achieve this by befriending Pakistan without violance.
Time for Pakistanis now to stop blaming every body else, particularly India, for all its problems.
regards
``No wonder ghaddars and sell out to Europeans have use twisted logic to sell out the Indian subcontinent.``
Do you seriously think any country would ``Buy`` Pakistan? Are you nuts? In the present day world nobody would ``Take`` Pakistam even if offered free of cost. Your Jihadi credentials have ensured this.
Simply put the US is only interested in cleaning pure land of Terrorists, eliminate powers that be in Pakistan that support Jihad worldwide and importantly to difuse permanently the Islamic Bomb. The US will achieve this by befriending Pakistan without violance.
Time for Pakistanis now to stop blaming every body else, particularly India, for all its problems.
regards
#65 Posted by taikonaut on December 17, 2006 7:49:51 am
#64 by 1saurabh on December 16, 2006 11:34pm PT
taikonaut Re: # 58
It was Pakistan who repeatedly raised the Kashmir issue on the international forums
anti-subcontinent forces tend to mutilate history pretty quick.
Oh Baboo Raam! your chucha (uncle of all pseudo-nationalists) was the first one who ran straight to UN for Kashmir. He is the one who promised plebiscite. Nehru is the one who did spin-doctoring with Indian constitution. Remember that article 370?
Read up on your history first.
#64 by 1saurabh on December 16, 2006 11:34pm PT
and joined hands with the US by ditching the Talibans. It was Pakistan who invited the US into its backyard.
Hardly truthful. Why don`t you say ``Pakistan first invited Commies in Afghanistan, then Pakistan invited USA, then Pakistan invited Talibans``. Man your sense of history is so convoluted!. No wonder ghaddars and sell out to Europeans have use twisted logic to sell out the Indian subcontinent.
Sad indeed.
#64 Posted by 1saurabh on December 16, 2006 11:34:58 pm
taikonaut Re: # 58
``I see these so-called Indian nationalist like 1saurabh who are hell bent on inviting US and UK into their regional wars.
Well what can you expect from these ghaddars. They did the same thing by inviting B-EIC (British East India Company) into the regional fights. And guess what! Before we knew it, BEIC was ruling the whole subcontinent.
Now this aulad-e-ghaddars (decedents of traitors) is at it again``
Guess what is happening here ? ``Ulta Chor Kotwal Ko Daante``. It was Pakistan who repeatedly raised the Kashmir issue on the international forums and joined hands with the US by ditching the Talibans. It was Pakistan who invited the US into its backyard. Now once inside, the US will surely do the unfinished task of removing the WMDs on one pretext or the other. Calling us Indians Gaddars will not change the picture.
regards.
``I see these so-called Indian nationalist like 1saurabh who are hell bent on inviting US and UK into their regional wars.
Well what can you expect from these ghaddars. They did the same thing by inviting B-EIC (British East India Company) into the regional fights. And guess what! Before we knew it, BEIC was ruling the whole subcontinent.
Now this aulad-e-ghaddars (decedents of traitors) is at it again``
Guess what is happening here ? ``Ulta Chor Kotwal Ko Daante``. It was Pakistan who repeatedly raised the Kashmir issue on the international forums and joined hands with the US by ditching the Talibans. It was Pakistan who invited the US into its backyard. Now once inside, the US will surely do the unfinished task of removing the WMDs on one pretext or the other. Calling us Indians Gaddars will not change the picture.
regards.
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